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WT and the Illuminati - truth or fiction?

by SnowQueen in

i've been reading around this subject of late and it seems to make a lot of sense.

i'm wondering if anyone is convinced and/or has seen anything that can substantiate or corroborate the 'facts' set out in these arguments.. http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/bloodlines/russell.htm.

i was particularly fascinated to read the following:.

SnowQueen

I believe the phrase you're referencing is

Objects in mirror are closer than they appear

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Objects_in_mirror_are_closer_than_they_appear)

My point exactly

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WT and the Illuminati - truth or fiction?

by SnowQueen in

i've been reading around this subject of late and it seems to make a lot of sense.

i'm wondering if anyone is convinced and/or has seen anything that can substantiate or corroborate the 'facts' set out in these arguments.. http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/bloodlines/russell.htm.

i was particularly fascinated to read the following:.

SnowQueen

I believe the phrase you're referencing is

Objects in mirror are closer than they appear

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Objects_in_mirror_are_closer_than_they_appear)

My point exactly

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WT and the Illuminati - truth or fiction?

by SnowQueen in

i've been reading around this subject of late and it seems to make a lot of sense.

i'm wondering if anyone is convinced and/or has seen anything that can substantiate or corroborate the 'facts' set out in these arguments.. http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/bloodlines/russell.htm.

i was particularly fascinated to read the following:.

SnowQueen

Bohm: Thanks for answering at least one of my questions. What did you think of the section of the documentary I referred you to?

20571pnt428571: Thank you for taking the time to respond, you make some interesting points.

"the whole world that Russell was coming out of was all already occult based"

I'm sure you're right about that, but are you implying that Russell coming up with 1914 by measuring the passages of a pyramid was just par for the course (given the times), but that that doesn't invalidate the date, because obviously somehow his calculations were guided by god? Even though he had originally said in 1879 that measurement of the passage pointed to 1874, before literally changing the measurement itself to make it point to 1914 in 1916!

Farkel and supporters: I'm not saying the modern day JWs are in league with the so called 'illuminati' of today, only that Russell himself seems to have had strong connections to the secret societies of his time, by virtue of being of the Russell bloodline, funded by the Rothchilds, and a 33rd degree Freemason. Also I find the fact that Russell practiced and preached astrology, pyramidology and phrenology somewhat ironic, given how vehemently they warn people against these 'things Jehovah detests'!

Like many other exclusive and fundamentalist religious organisations, the JWs create phobias about the 'outside' world, they encourage obedience to Caesar (to a point) as well as God, and they discourage members from getting involved in politics or being ‘part of the world’. Since well-trained sheep like these are unlikely to challenge government and are therefore not a threat to the globalist agenda (in fact they usually quite like the idea of some kind of worldwide unification), so the powers that be are happy to allow them, at least for now.

Regarding conspiracies, who knows whether or not there are multi-generational plots that have spanned the ages, but what is surely indisputable is that the powerful elite do indeed get together to create cartels, monopolies and cabals to retain and expand their own wealth and power - what is that, if not a conspiracy? After all, a conspiracy is simply an agreement between two or more people to deceive, mislead, or defraud others of their legal rights, or to gain an unfair advantage .

Aaron Russo, a man who has done his research, is one of many who has worked to raise awareness of the fact that, since 1913 when they were given the power to create money, private bankers rule the world and can, and do, dictate to governments. This is not a theory.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6ayb02bwp0

Most conspiracy theories probably are wild flights of the imagination, but they generally arise when there are too many inconsistencies to believe the official story. Take 9/11 for example – amongst all the questions not satisfactorily answered, my favourite has to be 'What happened to WTC7?'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEuJimaumW4&feature=related

Bizarrely, the official line is that WTC7 collapsed of its own accord due to fires, even though that's virtually impossible for a steel-framed building and the 6.5sec descent has all the hallmarks of a controlled demolition.

It's somewhat suspicious that, given the tenants of that building, several people in the corporate world would have benefited hugely from the loss of papers contained within it (possibly even evidence relating to the attacks on the towers themselves), not to mention the fact that some people seemed to know well in advance that it was going to collapse, including CNN and the BBC http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/theeditors/2008/07/controversy_conspiracies_iii.html.

What real evidence is there to suggest the official 9/11 story is true? If the story is true, why doesn't it check out in all respects? I agree that any theory - including the theory that Al-Qaida was behind the attacks - needs evidence, which is why I like this video response to the question ‘What would it take to convince you that 9/11 was not an inside job’

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCgMCw2-aJ0 .

Given that people’s lives are at stake, the burden of proof should lay with the government - the people who supposedly make decisions on our behalf and in our best interests - to supply concrete evidence (which they claim to have) that backs up their decisions and, if necessary, to answer to the public by means of an independent public investigation.

When governments use events to justify wars and make major policy decisions which affect our lives, and the lives of thousands of others, we have a right to know that those decisions were based on truth, and a responsibility to hold our governments accountable if they weren’t.

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WT and the Illuminati - truth or fiction?

by SnowQueen in

i've been reading around this subject of late and it seems to make a lot of sense.

i'm wondering if anyone is convinced and/or has seen anything that can substantiate or corroborate the 'facts' set out in these arguments.. http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/bloodlines/russell.htm.

i was particularly fascinated to read the following:.

SnowQueen

I'm not complaining, just questioning.

Please can you answer my questions, as not all of them were rhetorical.

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WT and the Illuminati - truth or fiction?

by SnowQueen in

i've been reading around this subject of late and it seems to make a lot of sense.

i'm wondering if anyone is convinced and/or has seen anything that can substantiate or corroborate the 'facts' set out in these arguments.. http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/bloodlines/russell.htm.

i was particularly fascinated to read the following:.

SnowQueen

Bear in mind that sometimes there is no evidence, as the evidence may have been destroyed or hidden so well that no-one has discovered it. Key witnesses may have been silenced, bought off or killed.

Where this is the case, it comes down to using your intellect and your critical thinking skills to draw logical conclusions based on what evidence does exist and what can reasonably be deduced.

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WT and the Illuminati - truth or fiction?

by SnowQueen in

i've been reading around this subject of late and it seems to make a lot of sense.

i'm wondering if anyone is convinced and/or has seen anything that can substantiate or corroborate the 'facts' set out in these arguments.. http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/bloodlines/russell.htm.

i was particularly fascinated to read the following:.

SnowQueen

So instead you accept the official story, which you are free to do, but do you have satisfactory evidence that the official story is true?

Do you have any reason to doubt them? Do you think that they might have any reason to lie or mislead you? If so, are you interested in knowing the truth?

"if you guys could give a single piece of evidence for the conspiracy i might be interested in reading those books."

Perhaps the evidence is in the books and that's the point of citing them.

Have you watched the documentary I recommended and considered the points contained therein?

What's the point of citing sources if you're not going to look at them?

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WT and the Illuminati - truth or fiction?

by SnowQueen in

i've been reading around this subject of late and it seems to make a lot of sense.

i'm wondering if anyone is convinced and/or has seen anything that can substantiate or corroborate the 'facts' set out in these arguments.. http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/bloodlines/russell.htm.

i was particularly fascinated to read the following:.

SnowQueen

I never said the Reichstage was burned by zionists, the financiers don't get their hands dirty with direct action and the political zionists are similarly hiding in the shadows.

I'm simply suggesting that the fire was an inside job, pinned on a convenient scapegoat, as opposed to the official story given by the Nazis to the German people at the time which was used as a justification for imposing controls on the population - controls which, in the absence of blatant propoganda against the communists, would not have been accepted.

I've suggested you watch the section of the documentary highlighted, as this contains various pieces of evidence from someone who has gone through the archives. Please feel free to provide counter-evidence that disputes his claims.

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WT and the Illuminati - truth or fiction?

by SnowQueen in

i've been reading around this subject of late and it seems to make a lot of sense.

i'm wondering if anyone is convinced and/or has seen anything that can substantiate or corroborate the 'facts' set out in these arguments.. http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/bloodlines/russell.htm.

i was particularly fascinated to read the following:.

SnowQueen

Bohm: So I guess we can both agree the above is all factually accurate, but I understand you to say the above is not the cause at all.

All of that is factually correct and undisputed, but it doesn't tell the whole story. In the case of WWII, the false flag was the fire at the Reichstag in 1933. We may never know the truth as to who arsonist Marinus van der Lubbe was working for, but we know from history that the event benefitted the Nazis more than anyone else and that Hitler took full and swift advantage of it.

As Wikipedia notes, the event is seen as pivotal in the establishment of Nazi Germany, as it gave the Nazis the pretext for suspending most rights and civil liberties set out in the Weimar Constitution, which was replaced with the Reichstag Fire Decree in direct response to the arson attack, to weed out communists and increase state security throughout Germany.

The media helped of course: 'The next day, the Preussische Pressedienst (Prussian Press Service) reported that "this act of incendiarism is the most monstrous act of terrorism carried out by Bolshevism in Germany". The Vossische Zeitung newspaper warned its readers that "the government is of the opinion that the situation is such that a danger to the state and nation existed and still exists". ' Does any of that sound familiar?

The primary facilitators and puppet-masters behind the scenes of WWII were elite bankers and political zionists, which is why the US funded the war - for both profit and political gain - and it is possible that WWII could be considered a strategic battle in a bigger war, the end-game of which is to bring about a single world government.

If you haven't already seen it, I suggest you watch the documentary posted by Tornapart on page 7 of this thread. If you don't have time to watch it all, the pertinent sections covering world wars I and II runs from 58mins in to 1hr 22mins.

For anyone who likes to deny conspiracies it's interesting to note that in the Wikipedia page linked to above it states, 'The Nazis alleged that Van der Lubbe was part of the Communist conspiracy to burn down the Reichstag and seize power, while the Communists alleged that Van der Lubbe was part of the Nazi conspiracy to blame the crime on them.' The man himself maintained he acted alone.

Someone somewhere is always lying, so it's pretty much inevitable that there's a conspiracy - which I would define as a strategic, hidden agenda which deliberately obscures the truth to gain an advantage - on one side or the other, or otherwise both!

(I realise I got a bit waylaid and fell behind with the thread as I was writing my response!)

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WT and the Illuminati - truth or fiction?

by SnowQueen in

i've been reading around this subject of late and it seems to make a lot of sense.

i'm wondering if anyone is convinced and/or has seen anything that can substantiate or corroborate the 'facts' set out in these arguments.. http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/bloodlines/russell.htm.

i was particularly fascinated to read the following:.

SnowQueen

Firstly, I'd like to be clear that my intention was to share my own personal conclusions, I didn't set out to convince anyone else.

I have spent a considerable amount of time over the past two weeks (and prior to that) looking into a wide variety of topics around these subjects and it would be challenging, let alone time-consuimng, to retrace my exect steps and refer you back to every piece of information that has contributed to these conclusions. However, if you let me know which specific conclusions you would most like me to do this for I will give it a go.

If you woud like to refute any of my conclusions, citing sources critical of any points made, I would be very interested to hear your arguments.

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WT and the Illuminati - truth or fiction?

by SnowQueen in

i've been reading around this subject of late and it seems to make a lot of sense.

i'm wondering if anyone is convinced and/or has seen anything that can substantiate or corroborate the 'facts' set out in these arguments.. http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/bloodlines/russell.htm.

i was particularly fascinated to read the following:.

SnowQueen

From my research since I began this thread I have come to the following conclusions:

The current world financial 'crisis' has been engineered like every other financial collapse before it, in the same way pretty much every major war since the French Revolution has been started on false pretences, all engineered by the elite for their own ends. You can safely bet the Occupy movement, the Arab Spring, and any other uprising has been deliberately provoked, and allowed, by the people whose interests it serves.

The official narratives of terrorist attacks on both the US and the UK are so incoherent when compared to the facts that it seems obvious they were instigated by those much closer to home than the unfortunate individuals and groups they were pinned on. These events were staged in order to facilitate the propaganda that would make it easier for governments to push through legislative controls to further their agenda, controls which the masses would never have accepted otherwise.

Those in power on all sides have publicly alluded to their agenda for a one world government, aka a New World Order, although they have not been open about what this actually means in real terms, or how they intend to achieve it. The true implications of this, and the orchestration of it to date, is what is being ‘hidden’ by the powers that be. This is happening now and the plan will continue to progress for as long as it is not resisted by a critical mass.

Mind control of the masses is not some outlandish suggestion, after all, advertising companies do it all the time! The mass media is highly controlled and spews out whatever governments want the people to know, hiding the real truth and keeping them ignorant. At the same time, the media machine is also used to distract the masses with sports, entertainment, and consumerism so that they're kept busy enough not to do the intellectual work to find out what's really going on.

The Illuminati is an outdated term - there is no one 'secret' society, but a network of inter-related elite groups that go under several different names whose primary aim is to forward the agenda of global government. Religion is simply another tool in accomplishing their goal and the WTS is as much a part of the religious machinery as any other church, perpetuating systems of mind control that keep people disempowered by fear and guilt and thereby supports the elite’s agenda.

The origins of the WTS are steeped in occultism and it seems that Russell was involved in groups associated with the so called 'illuminati' as it was at the time, notably the highest levels of the Freemasons. The current organisation has a long-standing affiliation to the UN which is an integral part of the interconnected web of elite groups. Hidden early involvement with the occult origins, political connections, not to mention recent highly speculative investment in hedge funds, all suggest that at the very least they are not as ‘separate from the world’ as they would have people believe.

My final conclusion, after everything I've seen and read, is that we’re all screwed. W hether or not we're seeing the fulfillment of bible prophecy, it seems that the whole world may well be ‘lying in the power of the wicked one’ after all (whatever you interpret that to mean). All we can do is seek out the truth, use what power we have to resist the whittling away of our liberties, and prepare as best we can for what’s coming.