Nevertheless, let Scholar keep motivating Marjorie to give us more excellent commentary. I'm cutting and pasting a lot of the info to keep. Thanks very much, Alleymom. Very much appreciated.
~Ros
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264Furuli's New Books--Attempt to Refute COJonsson
by ros ini just heard that the norwegian watchtower apologist, rolf furuli, who esteems himself a biblical scholar of semetic languages, has completed the first of two volumes he plans to publish on the societys chronology, assyrian, babylonian, egyptian and persian chronology compared with the chronology of the bible.. title of this first volume is: persian chronology and the length of the babylonian exile of the jews.. i hear that although carl olof jonsson is not mentioned by name, or reference made to his book "gentile times reconsidered," it is nevertheless apparent that these volumes are an attempt to refute jonssons excellent study which has exposed the watchtowers 1914 date as total folly.. .
the book can be ordered now from furulis new personal website:.
http://folk.uio.no/rolffu/.
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An Interesting Verse from Muslim Teachings:
by ros inthe following hoax is being sent around in e-mails.
thanks pseudoxristos for finding "the truth".
no point in propagating an erumor.
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THANKS for that info!!! Whew--I'll get that info back to my friend (who is well-known on these forums, so shall remain nameless ))).
Thanks again,
~Ros
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An Interesting Verse from Muslim Teachings:
by ros inthe following hoax is being sent around in e-mails.
thanks pseudoxristos for finding "the truth".
no point in propagating an erumor.
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The following hoax is being sent around in e-mails. Thanks pseudoxristos for finding "the truth". No point in propagating an eRumor.
For it is written that a son of Arabia would awaken a
fearsome Eagle. The wrath of the Eagle would be felt throughout the lands
of Allah and lo, while some of the people trembled in despair still more
rejoiced; for the wrath of the Eagle cleansed the lands of Allah; and
there was peace. -- Quran 9:11~Ros
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Delurk
by Euphemism inwell, this isn't quite a delurk, since i've made several posts already.
but i figured it was worth introducing myself anyway.. i'm 21 years old, and was raised a dub.
had very loyal and active dub parents... there was just no question growing up that i was going to pioneer, reach out for privileges, etc.
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Euphemism and Epithany:
I can barely imagine how complicated you lives must be right now. Planning marriage in a large JW family with life-long friends, no doubt anticipating the beautiful KH wedding soon--what a time to start realizing the truth about "The Lie". Yet surely it is a far better way to begin a new life together than the alternative. I don't envy your present situation and confusion. In some ways it must seem like a ton of bricks falling on you, one brick at a time.
If there is any way I can help, don't hesitate to let me know. There's plenty of anonymous support here (and here).
You know how you can contact me .Blessings,
~Ros
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Furuli's New Books--Attempt to Refute COJonsson
by ros ini just heard that the norwegian watchtower apologist, rolf furuli, who esteems himself a biblical scholar of semetic languages, has completed the first of two volumes he plans to publish on the societys chronology, assyrian, babylonian, egyptian and persian chronology compared with the chronology of the bible.. title of this first volume is: persian chronology and the length of the babylonian exile of the jews.. i hear that although carl olof jonsson is not mentioned by name, or reference made to his book "gentile times reconsidered," it is nevertheless apparent that these volumes are an attempt to refute jonssons excellent study which has exposed the watchtowers 1914 date as total folly.. .
the book can be ordered now from furulis new personal website:.
http://folk.uio.no/rolffu/.
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Hello, Scholar:
You wrote:
Wiseman certainly has competence in Assyrriology but not in biblical exegesis. 2 Chronicles36:20,21 is for example well attested by scholars and its interpretation supports the view of the Society namely that the land was desolate for seventy years until Cyrus' first year. Afact that no one including Jonsson and his dupe, the Missippissi gambler can refute.
Question 1: May we ask how you know how much competence Wiseman has in biblical exegesis?
Question 2: When you say 2Chron.36:20-21 is well attested by scholars, and their interpretations support the view of the WTS, to which scholars are you referring? My references indicate that scholars generally agree with Jonsson. For just one example, check out this site: http://www.biblehistory.webcentral.com.au/70Years.htm ) The following was gleaned from that presentation:
2 Chronicles 36:20-23 (NIV)
He [Nebuchadnezzar] carried into exile to Babylon the remnant, who escaped from the sword, and they became servants to him and his sons until the kingdom of Persia came to power. The land enjoyed its sabbath rests; all the time of its desolation it rested, until the seventy years were completed in fulfillment of the word of the Lord spoken by Jeremiah. In the first year of Cyrus king of Persia, in order to fulfill the word of the Lord spoken by Jeremiah, the Lord moved the heart of Cyrus king of Persia to make a proclamation throughout his realm and to put it in writing: "This is what Cyrus king of Persia says: 'The Lord, the God of heaven, has given me all the kingdoms of the earth and he has appointed me to build a temple for him at Jerusalem in Judah. Anyone of his people among you--may the Lord his God be with him, and let him go up.'"
At first glance, this segment seems to imply that the desolation of Jerusalem would last 70 years. Read it again, and you will see that this is in fact not the case. This segment states that now that Jerusalem has been destroyed, the land would lay desolate at least until the seventy-year prophecy of Jeremiah was fulfilled. Jerusalem was destroyed in 586 B.C. The seventy-year prophecy ended with Babylon's fall in 539 B.C., and the people of Judah were allowed to return to Jerusalem by decree of Cyrus II in 538 B.C. So Jerusalem lay desolate from 586 - 538 B.C. - a total of 48 years.
Article by David Petrie. Perhaps you may know him--he is one of your countrymen. (Or do you regard him as a scholar?)
Question 3: Who is Mississippi gambler?
~Ros
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Furuli's New Books--Attempt to Refute COJonsson
by ros ini just heard that the norwegian watchtower apologist, rolf furuli, who esteems himself a biblical scholar of semetic languages, has completed the first of two volumes he plans to publish on the societys chronology, assyrian, babylonian, egyptian and persian chronology compared with the chronology of the bible.. title of this first volume is: persian chronology and the length of the babylonian exile of the jews.. i hear that although carl olof jonsson is not mentioned by name, or reference made to his book "gentile times reconsidered," it is nevertheless apparent that these volumes are an attempt to refute jonssons excellent study which has exposed the watchtowers 1914 date as total folly.. .
the book can be ordered now from furulis new personal website:.
http://folk.uio.no/rolffu/.
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Scholar wrote:
I thought I should alert you to the fact that Furuli does not esteem himself as a scholar which implies that somehow his qualifications are not bona fide.
Question: Is that a localized usage of the word "scholar" (e.g., Australia)?
In my country, as far as I know, "scholar" means just what the dictionary defines: "a) a learned person b) a specialist in a particular branch of learning, esp. in the humanities." (Webster's New World [no pun intended] Dictionary of the American Language)
Scholar implies a learned person, regardless of academic credentials. Nevertheless, in my frame of reference, an individual with degrees enjoys being esteemed a scholar, even in areas where s/he may not be. So my thinking is somewhat the reverse of what you suggest in that degrees imply scholarship even where it may not be merited. Example: It is very difficult for me to conceive how genuine scholarship could viably lend to defending the WTS's world history positions, or any kind of fundamentalist biblical literalism, regardless of degrees behind the one presenting the information. That would be like expecting one with an advanced degree from Oral Roberts University to write a viable refutation on evolution.
On the other hand, perhaps the issue is more simple than we imagine. Perhaps Mr. Furuli simply recognizes a ready audience and market for a book on a particular topic. He doesn't really have to be right. Now that's not too dumb, is it?
~Ros
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Furuli's New Books--Attempt to Refute COJonsson
by ros ini just heard that the norwegian watchtower apologist, rolf furuli, who esteems himself a biblical scholar of semetic languages, has completed the first of two volumes he plans to publish on the societys chronology, assyrian, babylonian, egyptian and persian chronology compared with the chronology of the bible.. title of this first volume is: persian chronology and the length of the babylonian exile of the jews.. i hear that although carl olof jonsson is not mentioned by name, or reference made to his book "gentile times reconsidered," it is nevertheless apparent that these volumes are an attempt to refute jonssons excellent study which has exposed the watchtowers 1914 date as total folly.. .
the book can be ordered now from furulis new personal website:.
http://folk.uio.no/rolffu/.
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Interesting response from Greg Stafford on this topic, and subsequent reply by Hillary_Step, on Channel C:
http://www.channelc.org/cgi-bin/eboard30/index.cgi
~Ros
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You are just wonderful people! :)
by onacruse inthis last couple of weeks, kate and i have had the distinct pleasure to talk with many of you, several for the first time (we'll not name names, you know who you are .
we'd just like to say that each and every one of you has touched our hearts.
reaching out to each other is almost incredibly hard to do, but it feels sooooo good when we let down the barriers.. craig & kate
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onacruse:
I remember not so long ago (though it may seem) when you were new and seemed lonely and searching. And I remember some fun discussions with biker in chat, too. It's warming to see how life has turned out for you.
~Ros
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Furuli's New Books--Attempt to Refute COJonsson
by ros ini just heard that the norwegian watchtower apologist, rolf furuli, who esteems himself a biblical scholar of semetic languages, has completed the first of two volumes he plans to publish on the societys chronology, assyrian, babylonian, egyptian and persian chronology compared with the chronology of the bible.. title of this first volume is: persian chronology and the length of the babylonian exile of the jews.. i hear that although carl olof jonsson is not mentioned by name, or reference made to his book "gentile times reconsidered," it is nevertheless apparent that these volumes are an attempt to refute jonssons excellent study which has exposed the watchtowers 1914 date as total folly.. .
the book can be ordered now from furulis new personal website:.
http://folk.uio.no/rolffu/.
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jws:
I'm sure the Watchtower Society would gladly back off from their 1914 doctrine, and probably wish they could, if they could just figure out one thing: How to EVER explain how the "apostates" knew and preached "The Truth" about it (including the past few years on the Internet) before Jehovah revealed it to the JWs. When you consider all the people who were DF'd for doubting 1914, how would they ever explain it. Probably if Carl had never published his book on the subject, the WTS would have had all that "new light" by now. :D)))
~Ros
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Furuli's New Books--Attempt to Refute COJonsson
by ros ini just heard that the norwegian watchtower apologist, rolf furuli, who esteems himself a biblical scholar of semetic languages, has completed the first of two volumes he plans to publish on the societys chronology, assyrian, babylonian, egyptian and persian chronology compared with the chronology of the bible.. title of this first volume is: persian chronology and the length of the babylonian exile of the jews.. i hear that although carl olof jonsson is not mentioned by name, or reference made to his book "gentile times reconsidered," it is nevertheless apparent that these volumes are an attempt to refute jonssons excellent study which has exposed the watchtowers 1914 date as total folly.. .
the book can be ordered now from furulis new personal website:.
http://folk.uio.no/rolffu/.
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Hamas:
This is probably of more interest to longer-time-outers who know a little history of Furuli's past attempts to discredit WT critics. At one time, he and Greg Stafford were somewhat in collusion as WT apologists, but I'm seeing a greater distance grow between Stafford and other WT apologists. Example, I see no mention of these latest works by Furuli on Stafford's site: http://www.elihubooks.com
I agree that the newer generation of outers are probably not as interested in this old stuff.
But some of us are going to be very interested in Jonsson's rebuttal of Furuli's work, which is inevitable.~Ros