Posts by konceptual99

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John Shuttleworth on JWs

by punkofnice in

this graham fellows (jilted john), character makes me depressed but laugh at the same time..... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9ixjk1tgvk.

konceptual99

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jfba0pOvNQo

One of my faves

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John Shuttleworth on JWs

by punkofnice in

this graham fellows (jilted john), character makes me depressed but laugh at the same time..... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9ixjk1tgvk.

this is the first of a multi-part article that tells my story, and how ajwrb got started.. https://www.openmindsfoundation.org/saving-thousand-lives-year-reform-watchtowers-policy-blood-transfusions-part-two/.

konceptual99

Thanks very much Lee - that is an excellent bit of research into the mortality rates.

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My Story - Part 2

by Lee Elder in

this is the first of a multi-part article that tells my story, and how ajwrb got started.. https://www.openmindsfoundation.org/saving-thousand-lives-year-reform-watchtowers-policy-blood-transfusions-part-two/.

konceptual99

Great article. Just one question - can you explain where the estimate of 1200 deaths per year comes from? In the context of 8,000,000 Witnesses it's not a huge number but one that I would be interested to know how you reach.

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Was there really a specific request for money in this week's meeting?

by stuckinarut2 in

i have seen a few comments about this week's meeting.. was there actually a part that specified an actual per-publisher amount that should be donated regularly?.

can this be confirmed please?.

i truly cant believe just how brazen the society seems to be getting - and how desperate they are!.

konceptual99

As has been pointed out, there have been donation requests based around per head calculations for years. The global assistance programme is just a new name for old stuff - probably due to some creative account requirements that the org has found to hide money more easily.

Not only that but circuit assemblies and regional conventions have always had a congregation donation element to them, again on a per capita basis.

It's a neat way to ensure and forecast a baseline income.

What is interesting is the difference in sums being asked. Someone somewhere will have done a calculation but I guess we will never know the detail of the parameters used.

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The special talk is now BEFORE the Memorial

by wifibandit in

august 11, 2017 to all bodies of elders re: 2018 memorial invitations and date of special talk .

fyi:.

the 2018 memorial will be held on saturday, march 31, 2018.. the 2019 memorial will be held on friday, april 19, 2019..

konceptual99

It will be so much easier when all the talks are video presetations.

Prepare yourselves for the return of the book study group. Get rid of the halls and meet as little groups to watch videos or even log into a virtual meeting service that tracks and reports what talks you have watched.

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List of controversies

by usualusername1 in

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friends

in my comedy i am playing around with being a jw spokesman justifying the ridiculous things in the publications, website, letters and talks by governing body members.. can you give me some scandals please?.

to start off with un ngo membership.... thanks.

paul.

konceptual99

Can the lifesaving, worldwide preaching work be considered either lifesaving or worldwide when billions of the world's population have slim to no chance of hearing it and when it impossible for JW growth to keep pace with global population growth?

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List of controversies

by usualusername1 in

jw
friends

in my comedy i am playing around with being a jw spokesman justifying the ridiculous things in the publications, website, letters and talks by governing body members.. can you give me some scandals please?.

to start off with un ngo membership.... thanks.

paul.

konceptual99

I would say accepting products manufactured from donated blood yet refusing to donate blood on pain of being shunned is pretty scandalous.

I'd love to see someone like Paxman interview the Bethel media rep on that one!

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Explosion on London Train

by cofty in

there was an explosion on a london tube train at parsons green station at 8:20 bst this morning.. there are pictures online of a plastic bucket that seems to be the source.

witnesses are reporting seeing a large wall of flames coming through a packed train carriage.

people are now being taken to ambulances with significant burns..

konceptual99

I'm referring to my proposed internment of terrorists, would-be terrorists and extremists in the UK.

Ahha - gotcha.

so how do you think the UK government should deal with the Islamist problem?

I don't actually disagree with the principle of internment for those who are highly likely to have extreme views given the insidious nature of the problem. It does go against my natural inclinations of progressive justice (innocent until proven guilty, burden of proof on the accuser etc.) but I also have no real problem with taking proactive and preemptive action against those who given any kind of opportunity would seek to do harm to people here. The rights of people to feel, and indeed BE, safe absolutely trumps any so called rights of those determined to support extreme Islamist agendas.

Having said that I think it is a short term reaction. I think it would increase the feelings of polarisation and persecution amongst many Muslims, especially young men, and foster further radicalisation. I also question where you are going to put all these people, how long for and how it's paid for. The prison service is already at breaking point without putting even more people into it. There is also lots of evidence that prisons are a breeding ground for further radicalisation.

You then have to ask what happens to those locked up. What do you do to prove their criminal intent? How is that handled in law? Thinking of committing a crime is much harder to turn into something that can be prosecuted. Do you seek to change their minds?

You might think of returning immigrants to their original homes but how does that happen in practice? What about those who are British citizens?

How do you handle upset and angry parents, friends and relatives? How do you overcome the negativity and hostility, let alone foster relations such that those radicals are marginalised within the Muslim community.

How do you monitor the mosques?

How do you reverse an ideology whilst coming down like a ton of bricks on those who you don't even know for sure have embraced it?

The only long term solution is for Muslims to come out of the dark ages and throw their religion down the toilet. It ain't going to happen any century soon.

The best we can hope for is that Muslims the world over get pissed off living with the threat of extremists to the point where they sort the problem out themselves. Where are the Saudis and others in the middle east in all of this?

For the UK government they need to be very careful. By all means target those known to be likely extremists. Get those they can out of the country. Shut down schools and mosques where they know the extremists work. But be very careful about going to far. It could easily back fire.

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Explosion on London Train

by cofty in

there was an explosion on a london tube train at parsons green station at 8:20 bst this morning.. there are pictures online of a plastic bucket that seems to be the source.

witnesses are reporting seeing a large wall of flames coming through a packed train carriage.

people are now being taken to ambulances with significant burns..

konceptual99

Well, the suspects shouldn't get any pay outs. Some can be released and monitored, maybe, but no pay outs.

Too late fella - it's already happened....

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/02/22/17-british-guantanamo-detainees-20m-compensation-fund-now/

I get the difference between what happened in Ireland with the fundamental Islamist problem, I just question the long term realities of lancing the boil with yet more violence and preemptive "justice". I can't argue with the fact that certainly it would stop terror attacks happening in the short term plus the idea of pushing the problem back to it's geographic source and regaining our peace of mind is certainly attractive, it's just you are dealing with an ideology, a mental conditioning that can only be changed if the bottom up mindset changes. That's where the wider Muslim community comes in but we are looking at decades, if not centuries, before the majority of Muslims globally are close to where the secular population is.