Heard only last night at little JW do...
"I keep reminding XXXX (brother's wife) not too study too deeply as it only makes her confused".
This from a 2nd gen MS in his 50s.
konceptual99
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Catching the Governing Body with their pants down around the ankles
by Terry inthe following information is significant and extremely useful.. for what?.
for proving a point about jehovah's channel of communication.. what about jehovah's channel of communication?.
it is a fool's paradise of misinformation, awkward and ridiculous assertions and hard-headed nonsense presented as superior divine insider knowledge.. ***.
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New announcement at this weeks midweek meeting?
by rosyray inthe congregation i'm from is having their meeting tonight.
my husband said that his brother in law, who is an elder, called and said that there were going to be some big announcements tonight and to bring a notepad, because you will want to take notes.. does anybody know about this and what are the announcements?
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konceptual99
Well still no letter in the UK re tablets...
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"Apostates" Who Return To Their Own Vomit
by minimus inonce you realize ttatt, how can anyone with half a brain, go back??.
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konceptual99
Great vid
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LURKERS, FENCE-SITTING JW'S and FADERS, here is your LIST
by Terry in1.you cannot change what you refuse to confront.. look at how you are feeling most of the time.
that sense of going nowhere and feeling down is not because you aren't spritual enough.
it is because you are filling your life with empty purpose brought to you courtesy of the watch tower bible and tract society!.
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konceptual99
Spot on Terry. When they turn their back to those on the way out it's not arrivederci or auf Wiedersehen - it's feck off you traitor.
That's what makes getting out so hard.
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I am giving a Public Talk
by cantleave inin milan .
http://www.making-cosmetics.it/speaker/mr-angus-robertson/#.umkyqi9ai1q.facebook.
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konceptual99
Top man! Hope it goes well and you can apply your speech counsel assignment and get lots of commendation from the school overseer.
What's the peer reviewed scientific evidence for oat based cosmetics being effective anti-aging solutions? ;-)
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Did having kids make your decision to leave easier or harder?
by Comatose ini was thinking about a few things confusedandalone said the other day.
i mirrored his thinking identically.
for me it was having kids that made my decision to leave an easier one.. if i had no children, i might still be in and just going through the motions.
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konceptual99
For me it's harder. I would stop everything right away if it was just me and my wife or if my wife was mentally with me as far as TTATT is concerned. As it is she isn't so for me discretion is the better part of valour.
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LURKERS, FENCE-SITTING JW'S and FADERS, here is your LIST
by Terry in1.you cannot change what you refuse to confront.. look at how you are feeling most of the time.
that sense of going nowhere and feeling down is not because you aren't spritual enough.
it is because you are filling your life with empty purpose brought to you courtesy of the watch tower bible and tract society!.
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konceptual99
Hi Terry,
Firstly, thanks for your post. You're one of my favourite posters and I always look forward to seeing what you have to say.
On this matter I have to say that I am firmly in the bracket of a fader. As such, much of what is written strikes a very special cord with me. The ony thing is that I am starting to slightly resent some of the implications of language that is being used about people like me. It seems as if some think that someone like me is a coward and not facing up to reality. What we need to do is grab the bull by the horns and just move on away from the WTS. Since we are not just cutting our ties then we are a bit of a "plastic" poster and devalued in some way.
Once recent poster said that basically faders did not have big enough balls to do what needed to be done. Another poster referred to faders as "ditherers". I get the gist of this - indeed I said myself in a recent thread that I don't have big enough bollocks to just do what I would really like to do and just stop.
The only reason for this is simply that not every situation can be met with the straight-forward step of rapidly stopping.
I have a wife who, whilst open to critisim of the WTS, is still very much focused on us being in the last days and the bg A. I have three kids whose social life is based around relationships with other Witness kids. I have lots of direct and extended family who are Witnesses.
If my wife was all up for fading then it would be much easier. We could cut ties with the social side of being a Witness and develop the alternatives. We could present a united front to the kids. We could make the whole thing positive. We could handle the family relationships more simply. As it is, I don't have that luxury. I have to do what I can to help my wife come to her own understanding of the TTATT. I don't want my kids to be indoctrinated but I also cannot turn their world upside down by stopping everything quickly.
I am working to a plan. I have stepped down as a MS. Our ministry as a family is pretty much non-existent. We miss meetings and are late for the ones we do go to. On the rare occassion that my wife forces the issue of a family study then I use it as an opportunity to reinforce the secular good advice that can be found behind certain articles that are appropriate for the kids' ages and circumstances. I encourage critical thinking and research. I am finding ways of widening the circle of friends the kids have. I am regularly highlighting points of contention about whatever the latest WT directive is to my wife.
I might not have the bollocks to face the pain of laying the cards on the table but I am also not stupid enough to needlessly risk my marriage and relationship with my kids and wider family when a little bit of patience is very likely to bring them out with each one knowing why they do not want to be part of the WTS. It's not a short, sharp shock but it's not dithering either.
Your list is very much food for thought and a good reminder that even in my shoes there needs to be an end game. Thank you for that. I also appreciate that some of my frustration is due to words said outside of this thread. All I ask is that those that are out or did find it easy to just stop spare a thought for those for whom it is not so simple. Support rather than critisim goes a long way.
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New 1975? Jan 1st WT 2014
by notsurewheretogo inthis post was taken from reddit exjw but makes a very good point:.
these are two paragraphs of the watchtower of january 1st 2014.... .
i don't know about you guys, but in my mind, i'm seeing a deja vu of the articles before 1975 i've read.
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konceptual99
@Outsmart & @DD - agree totally that removing the thinkers is a justifiable outcome.
The WTS promotes a culture where any dissension or even honest questioning is seen as weakness and/or a proud spirit of independant - negative traits and freely open to judgemental attitudes from inside the congregation.
This acts as a peer pressure based control mechanism and therefore any that do have the courage of their convictions are easy dismissed by the group and their reasoning easily dismissed.
This collateral damage is acceptable to the WTS as it's a very simple way of ensuring the survival of their illogical ideas amongst the majprity.
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New 1975? Jan 1st WT 2014
by notsurewheretogo inthis post was taken from reddit exjw but makes a very good point:.
these are two paragraphs of the watchtower of january 1st 2014.... .
i don't know about you guys, but in my mind, i'm seeing a deja vu of the articles before 1975 i've read.
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konceptual99
@DD... (I would put in a quotes box but the stoooopid repy box is only showing a couple of controls on my iPad)
Konceptual99,
Are you saying that you feel they actually believe the end is coming soon, and did not purposely come up with the overlapping teaching to buy time? Do you feel that they really think they are right, and were just a bit off in their timing of events? Are you going with bumbling delusion over cold, calculating deception?
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I think that they think the end is coming. I think they would be happy to voice "what if" concerns within a small circle of trust but they are as convinced as any other dub about the last days. That's bumbing delusion.
On the other hand I think that they make some cold, calculating descions about how they present material to ensure certain priorities are met. These woud include:
- sense of urgency/imminance
- minimise slacking off
- ensure growth and not contraction
- maintain cashflow
- maintain centrallised control and unity of policy implementation
This is control. I doubt they see it as deception but they also have the "theocratic warfare" delusion. They know that they are fighting a battle for hearts and minds amongst an increasingly skeptical population. They know they will lose people to the "world". Rather than change policy to develop a more inclusive theology they accept the collateral damage. The callous side of this is the demonisaton of those that leave to prevent further contamination of those inside.
Do the GB know TTATT and are they deliberately decieving 8 million people just so they can have a nice office by a river (soon to be a lake)? No.
Are they using calculated methods of control to maintain their own delusion? Yes
Hope that answers the question!
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Can the jw organization be reformed?
by wannaexit ini know that this has been discussed in the past but i wanted to get some fresh opinions.
there are many out there that recognize the "rot" that is in watchtower but still feel that there is a "wholesome" side to it and are trying to bring about change or reform from within.. in 2002 when the rose colored glasses came off for me and i truly started to understand ttatt, i still felt that there was some redemable aspects of the organization.. i felt that russell had some doctrinal things right.
i don't feel like that anymore.
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konceptual99
Not a chance.