Posts by Prognoser

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Do you think our society is on the verge of collapsing?

by jam in

not to sound like the gloom and doom cult we were apart,.

but are we heading for an collapse in our society?.

iam sure we all are familiar with the signs that bring about.

Prognoser

Yes, and it's all because of those damn dirty liberals!

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WT and the Illuminati - truth or fiction?

by SnowQueen in

i've been reading around this subject of late and it seems to make a lot of sense.

i'm wondering if anyone is convinced and/or has seen anything that can substantiate or corroborate the 'facts' set out in these arguments.. http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/bloodlines/russell.htm.

i was particularly fascinated to read the following:.

Prognoser

mP, is that the best answer you could come up with for the reasons for occult knowledge? I have to say, I am disppointed in your answer, coming from a self-proclaimed conspiracy researcher.

How about the most obvious reason: power. By promising initiates and adepts secret knowledge that he/she can only attain through a endless stream of study and initiations, you create and instant power structure. This seems to me to be the most obvious and malevolent reason and purpose for the occult. Don't believe me? Talk to former 33rd degree Freemasons, witches, and other occult practitioners. Ask them how the carrot was dangled in front of them for all those years.

Freemasonry and the mystery schools have no mystery about them. The perceived mystery about them is created in order to lure people, and it is very effective, because humans are naturally drawn to seemingly mysterious things.

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Watchtower magic?

by perfect1 in

at the risk of extending the illuminati thread, does anyone know about enochian magic and the watchtowers?.

http://www.golden-dawn.org/enochianintro.htm.

a harlot and a wild beast!.

Prognoser

I believe the Rosicrucians would have that info. Most likely, you have a branch in your city. Let me see what I can find in my archive of ebooks. By the way, it appears the Rosicrucians or some variant of their order was instrumental in bringing Hitler to power. Despite Hitler's apparent anti-Masonic initiatives, he was very much involved in the occult, as were others high up in the Nazi apparatus.

Occult - Rosicrucian Texts Vol 1 (pdf) EarthBow

http://thepiratebay.se/torrent/4674660/Occult_-_Rosicrucian_Texts_Vol_1_(pdf)_EarthBow

Word of caution, this stuff is serious business. Go in with an educational mindset only.

There is also this, which I posted on the Watchtower and the Masons thread:

The Masonic Watchtowers – Enochian Magic

The Masonic Lodges are usually given a number and then are named after the location they are at. For instance, in Oregon something like 9 out of 10 lodges are named after the town that they are in. However, some of the lodges are named after famous Masons such as Franklin, Lafayette, and Washington. Others are named after Masonic themes Mystic Tie, Mystic Circle, Rising Sun, New Jerusalem, and Mizpah. Mizpah? What is Mizpah? The Watchtower Society tells us in the issue of the Godlen Age 3/26/24, p. 387, that Mizpah translates Watchtower. The Hebrew word Mizpah (also spelled Mizpeh, and Mitspeh) occurs only once in scripture. And the use of the word Mizpah among the Masons is interesting.

This author has located 4 Masonic chapters so far in the world that are named Mizpah, and three of these are in C.T. Russell’s area of Pennsylvania. These are all York Rite (R.A.M.-Royal Arch Masons) lodges like Russell belonged to. They are Mizpeh Chapter No. 288 R.A.M. of Allegheny, PA, Mizpah Chapter No. 252 R.A.M. Mahonoy City, PA, and the Mizpah Chapter 96 of the Grand Commandery of Knights Templar of PA.

What could be important enough to Masonry to call their lodges Watchtowers? The highest Masons, who get cryptic and mystic, are exposed to Enochian magic, where the use of the magical watchtowers is the key, the heart so to speak, of Enochian magic.

It is interesting to note that several of the Masons who founded new cults were fascinated in the name and person of Enoch, for instance Joseph Smith Jr. and Charles T. Russell.

Joseph Smith (Founder of Mormons LDS) gave himself the name Enoch, called his first community the City of Enoch, and created communal Order of Enoch. Further, Joseph Smith, following the Jewish pseudepigraphic Book of Enoch’s story, purports to narrate Enoch’s experiences in the Book of Moses. (Joseph Smith, as the reader remembers, wrote the Book of Moses.) Joseph Smith in fact believed that Freemasonry went back to Enoch. In Joseph Smith’s day it was popular for Masons to trace Freemasonry back to Enoch. It is not so much in vogue now.

Freemasons believed that the correct pronunciation of the sacred name of the Tetragrammaton had been revealed to Enoch. In Enochian magic the Tetragrammaton plays an important part. Each letter represents a different element.

“…Enoch may be considered as representative of that class of mankind which in the future will be in harmony with God and have eternal life—the ones who will be brought to perfection during the Millenial Age.”—Charles T. Russell, 1907.

Russell was careful not to exceed what he could appear to back with scripture, and he was not about to break his Masonic oath of secrecy and blab about Enoch and Enochian magic. However, Russell can still be recognized as having put an inordinate amount of emphasis on Enoch. For instance, Russell says what happened to Enoch “seems to be one of the secret things which Moses says belong unto God. Deut. 29:29” WT Apr. & May 1884. Russell pointed out on numerous occasions that Enoch was the 7 th man from Adam, and that this means he was the perfect man. This view was still coming out in the Watchtower as late as 1941. The WT Society has been fascinated by Enoch’s transformation, but have been variable in their explanation of it. In 1943, the WT Society tells us that “Enoch was put into a trance” That ‘God gave him a final vision of the New World…” and that when Heb. 11:5 says God “transferred him” that it meant God granted Enoch a vision of the New World. This was a change from Russell’s belief (based on speculation or something else?) that God likely took Enoch to another planet. Also that year, the WT Society tells us that Enoch was the first man to prophesy of Christ.

This is just a glimpse of Russell and the WT Society’s fascination with Enoch. Now we will discover what Enochian Magic is about.

The Magical Watchtowers

Twice a month, a magazine called the Watchtower goes out in 105 languages in about 13 million copies per issue. (Actually minor foreign language editions lag behind the English editions, so that the 13 million copies are not issued simultaneously.)

Yet no one has explained why Charles T. Russell chose the Watch Tower as the name and central idea of his new religion, many return-to-the-Bible movements, for instance, Campbell’s Church of Christ churches, have eschewed being associated with any symbology. The idea of the Watch Tower must have been very important to Russell for him to have situated it as the central symbol for his movement. Was he thinking that a tower towered him above others? Or was it because ancient Watch Towers could view approaching armies and thereby warn of approaching battles? Or was it chosen because Masons have been associated with building castles and cathedrals?

Each of these explanations put forth, has some merit. But there is another explanation. One that seems bizarre, in fact so bizarre that this author dismissed it until such time as he was able to confirm C.T. Russell’s Masonic membership.

C.T. Russell’s membership records in the Masonic Knights Templar are kept in Ireland. The Blue Lodge records belong to the Grand Lodge of PA. Lady Queensborough in her book Occult Theocracy published in 1933 notes on page 737 C.T. Russell’s Masonic membership. His Masonic membership must have also been common knowledge to those associated with him, and those acquainted with the prominence Russell gave to the Knights Templar logo. While there were no Adventist magazines prior to Russell’s ‘Watchtower’ magazine that used the word Watchtower, it appears that the Masonic magazine Mizpah could have served as example to Russell. The Masonic Mizpah magazine, and a Masonic article in an early Masonic Review with the title “Watchman what of the night” do prove a similarity here between that Masonic thinking and Russell’s magazine.

Evidence shows C.T. Russell was not only a high freemason, but prominent in their schemes, in other words he was a key player. Watchtowers are very important to the very highest Freemasons. The highest secret knowledge of many Masonic rites including such rites as the Scottish Rite, the Rite of Memphis, the Rite of Mizraim, etc. is concentrated in a high level group of Illuminati. One group of the Illuminati is the O.T.O. The initials O.T.O. can stand for several names, one being Ordo Templi Orientis (The Order of Oriental Templars). Its esoteric name is Order of To Ov. Its members also have been referred to as the Great White Brotherhood or Atlantean Adepts, and have worked with the B’nai B’rith. There are four separate groups of OTO lodges, each contains hard core occultists.

The OTO Illuminati teach their select group of initiates Hermetic Science (occult knowledge), magick (called Holy Magick of Light), Mysticism, and Yoga of all forms. The OTO during C.T. Russell’s lifetime established in every important metropolitan area, including New York, a secret hidden centre (Collegium ad Spiritum Santum) where members could carry out their “great work” concealed without interference.

However, each Illuminatus is nothing if he is not able to practice the Magick that gives him a knowledge of the Watchtowers and the ability to enter the four Watchtowers.

Is this bizarre? Why doesn’t C.T. Russell mention any of this in his writings?

This author must without reservation remind the reader that C.T. Russell would never have mentioned anything of his higher esoteric Masonic knowledge to anyone. The penalties for revealing such higher secrets are harsh. This author knows of some cases where men who talked were killed. Obviously, without presenting any proof on that point, the reader is simply advised that the higher echelons in the esoteric group of Illuminism rarely lose their initiates, because they are so sold out/and trapped in their allegiance to the occult world.

C.T. Russell was in the public eye. Everything he published was with the public eye in mind. No one should expect to find any notes or slips about Masonic activities or beliefs in Russell’s writings. As with all occult organizations a veil of secrecy is maintained by requiring initiates to take secrecy oaths on penalty of death. As in Witchcraft, Masonry repeatedly demands secrecy oaths at every new level. Charles T. Russell began participating in this secrecy when he took the Entered Apprentice (first Masonic degree) oath on penalty of mayhem and violent death, “I…do hereby and hereon most solemnly and sincerely promise and swear that I will always hail, ever conceal and never reveal any of the arts, parts or points of the secret arts and mysteries of ancient Freemasonry which I received, am about to receive, or may hereafter be instructed in…”

C.T. Russell followed a policy of backing everything he said with Bible verses. If he could not establish a point by twisting Scripture in some fashion, or using some type of reasoning, then he would generally avoid publishing the point. What needs then to be looked for are occultic strains of thought that seeped into his bible explanation, because they had a possible Scriptural explanation. There are a number of statements by Russell that are clues and evidence of ties to the magic of Watchtowers.

WHAT ARE THE MAGICAL WATCHTOWERS?

Watchtowers are regions of the Magical Universe. The type of Magic that uses these regions is called Enochian Magick.

According to occultists, Magic is merely the use of hidden laws to bring about the will. Every person has a spark of divinity—a inner God, also called an angel or Holy Guardian Angel. The Magician is to get in touch with his Angel—his divinity. This is where his knowledge of the Watchtowers is helpful. Enochian Magick claims for itself two unique elements: an original language and the map of the indivisible worlds. The Indivisible worlds are known as the Magical Universe. The map of this Magical Universe contains 4 Enochian regions called Watchtowers. These are the Watchtower of Fire, the Watchtower of Air, the Watchtower of Water, and the Watchtower of Earth. These 4 regions are often symbolized in ancient esoteric manuscripts. The following are the 7 planes and their regions on the map.

Occult planes Enochian Regions

Divine…

Spiritual….. Table of Union

Casual……. Watchtower of Fire

Mental……. Watchtower of Air

Astral…….. Watchtower of Water

Etheric…… Watchtower of Earth

Physical…

Should all the bodies of the planes (except for the physical) be collectively taken together, the Magician calls this the Body of Light. New Age, Masonic, and Rosicrucian Magicians will then speak in terms of leaving their bodies and entering into the Watchtowers (the Body of Light). To be an advanced magician, you must be able to enter the Watchtowers.

It is an established fact the Illuminists all learn this Magic and practice it.

An example of how esoteric knowledge then became associated with the royal house of Guise and Lorraine (which is part of the 13 th Illuminati bloodline) is that the first edition of Corpus hermeticum (pub. In 1549) was dedicated to Charles de Guise, the Cardinal of Lorraine and brother of Marie de Guise, who married James V of Scotland and who bore Mary Queen of Scots.

Under the cover of being zealous Catholics, the house of Guise and Lorraine spread esoteric knowledge. Men like Sir William Sinclair (of the 13 th Illuminati bloodline) imported the esoteric knowledge into Scotland. Another figure was the Scotsman, James Beaton, the Scottish ambassador to France, who was also the former Archbishop of Glasgow and who worked with the house of Guise and Lorraine.

—Fritz Springmeier, Be Wise As Serpents

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Why didn't God disfellowship Jesus for breaking the laws of the Talmud?

by I_love_Jeff in

jesus loathed the talmud and broke as many of its laws as he could on any occasion that presented itself.

so if jesus broke the laws of the talmud, wouldn't he have been disfellowshipped if he did the same thing to the watchtower.

a jehovah's witness can be disfellowshipped or disassociated if he/she breaks this rule in the elder's manual: rebellion against jehovah's organization.. what say you?.

Prognoser

King Solomon, there is a ton of evidence of the Talmud's existence in Jesus time, even though it wasn't codified until many years later. Think of the advantages to the Pharisaic power structure by not having the Talmud codified. They could act just like the WTBTS and say they received "new light" yet nobody could actually check out the Talmud to verify it.

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Why didn't God disfellowship Jesus for breaking the laws of the Talmud?

by I_love_Jeff in

jesus loathed the talmud and broke as many of its laws as he could on any occasion that presented itself.

so if jesus broke the laws of the talmud, wouldn't he have been disfellowshipped if he did the same thing to the watchtower.

a jehovah's witness can be disfellowshipped or disassociated if he/she breaks this rule in the elder's manual: rebellion against jehovah's organization.. what say you?.

Prognoser

Yadda, how can you be disfellowshipped from something you never belonged to in the first place? Pharisaism is not based in the Old Testament, it's based in the Talmud. Thus, Jesus' anger at the Pharisees. That was the whole point of Jesus chastizing the Pharisees: they had strayed from the Bible and taken up the traditions of men (Talmud, Kabbalah, etc.). The Pharisees didn't like being called out, so they had him arrested and brought before the Sanhedrin in the middle of the night when nobody was even awake. The rest, I'm sure you know.

King, stop taking Jesus out of context. Jesus didn't say hand washing was a silly tradition. He stressed that obsession with the legalism of it was. Thus the "heart of the law." Man, didn't the Watchtower teach you anything? Were you sleeping through all the meetings?

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Why didn't God disfellowship Jesus for breaking the laws of the Talmud?

by I_love_Jeff in

jesus loathed the talmud and broke as many of its laws as he could on any occasion that presented itself.

so if jesus broke the laws of the talmud, wouldn't he have been disfellowshipped if he did the same thing to the watchtower.

a jehovah's witness can be disfellowshipped or disassociated if he/she breaks this rule in the elder's manual: rebellion against jehovah's organization.. what say you?.

Prognoser

Yes, Jesus referred to oral laws and traditions of men, and those MAY have found their way into written form of the Talmud. It's impossible to say for sure, as Jesus didn't specify what ones he was objecting to...

Well what other possible oral traditions could Jesus be referring to? Of course He was talking about the not-yet-codified Talmud. If not that then the Kabbalah. Do you know how huge the Babylonian Talmud is? There had to be tons of oral traditions in order to fill the voluminous Talmud.

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WT and the Illuminati - truth or fiction?

by SnowQueen in

i've been reading around this subject of late and it seems to make a lot of sense.

i'm wondering if anyone is convinced and/or has seen anything that can substantiate or corroborate the 'facts' set out in these arguments.. http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/bloodlines/russell.htm.

i was particularly fascinated to read the following:.

Prognoser

Yeah, but did you ever ask yourself why it is hidden, mP?

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WT and the Illuminati - truth or fiction?

by SnowQueen in

i've been reading around this subject of late and it seems to make a lot of sense.

i'm wondering if anyone is convinced and/or has seen anything that can substantiate or corroborate the 'facts' set out in these arguments.. http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/bloodlines/russell.htm.

i was particularly fascinated to read the following:.

Prognoser

3. The occult is still woven into the fabric of the WTS and those at the highest level are practicing Satanists, using false religion to control the people but leaving signs and clues in the publications for other secret society members (the most recently seen in the Revelation book)

This one stands out to me. There are practicing Satanists/witches in the mainline churches as well, particularly in the Evangelical and Charismatic movements.

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Why didn't God disfellowship Jesus for breaking the laws of the Talmud?

by I_love_Jeff in

jesus loathed the talmud and broke as many of its laws as he could on any occasion that presented itself.

so if jesus broke the laws of the talmud, wouldn't he have been disfellowshipped if he did the same thing to the watchtower.

a jehovah's witness can be disfellowshipped or disassociated if he/she breaks this rule in the elder's manual: rebellion against jehovah's organization.. what say you?.

Prognoser

Jesus called the Talmud "the traditions" of men that makes the Word "null and void." And the Talmud contradicts the Tanakh.

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The WT likes to point out faults of Papacy

by bobld in

the wt will do endless research on the r.c.c and the faults of popes.as can be.

seen in their publication.. are not the popes and the r.cc.

humans and will make mistakes.. is it any different from god's choosen nation and all the kings and .

Prognoser

Well, bobld, according to Illuminati experts, the Watchtower was created in order to neuter the Catholic Church's influence in the Americas. It hasn't done a great job, imo.