I guess they only like to pounce when they find something easy to ridicule (case in point, bohm). Nothing in the above is easy to ridicule, so they keep their mouths shut.
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The Watchtower and the Masons
by ozziepost inthe latest edition of the free in christ ministries journal contains a very interesting article entitled the watchtower and masons.. drawing upon material from the book the watchtower & the masons by fritz springmeier, it gives the following parallels between the things that c t russell believed and those taught by the masons:.
* both believe jehovah is the most important word being the basis of their dogma, and the name of their god.
* both believe god yielded power to a lesser god.
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WT and the Illuminati - truth or fiction?
by SnowQueen ini've been reading around this subject of late and it seems to make a lot of sense.
i'm wondering if anyone is convinced and/or has seen anything that can substantiate or corroborate the 'facts' set out in these arguments.. http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/bloodlines/russell.htm.
i was particularly fascinated to read the following:.
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Prognoser
mP, the vulcan hand sign is from the Kabbalah, not the Bible. Ole Spocky even admitted that.
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WT and the Illuminati - truth or fiction?
by SnowQueen ini've been reading around this subject of late and it seems to make a lot of sense.
i'm wondering if anyone is convinced and/or has seen anything that can substantiate or corroborate the 'facts' set out in these arguments.. http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/bloodlines/russell.htm.
i was particularly fascinated to read the following:.
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Actually, almost everyone in Hollywood makes Illuminati symbols. Why? Externalization of the hierarchy? That was one small example. It's just a coincidence that the one-eye symbolism of actors and musicians mirrors that of the all-seeing eye of the Masons and Illuminists?
Keep telling yourself, it's all a coincidence...........
Ole Jay Z, who now calls himself Jayhovah.
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WT and the Illuminati - truth or fiction?
by SnowQueen ini've been reading around this subject of late and it seems to make a lot of sense.
i'm wondering if anyone is convinced and/or has seen anything that can substantiate or corroborate the 'facts' set out in these arguments.. http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/bloodlines/russell.htm.
i was particularly fascinated to read the following:.
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By What Authority?
by Orthodox1 inthe jws, catholics, mormons, and a handful of others say they are the "true church" or what jesus originally intended.
i know jws call themselves the "true christians".
by what authority - outside of the bible, since 41,000 denominations use the bible to back up their individual beliefs - can jws make this claim?
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Haha, sorry. I agree that the Catholic Church is backed by God despite its shortcomings. And that goes for many other Christian churches as well.
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By What Authority?
by Orthodox1 inthe jws, catholics, mormons, and a handful of others say they are the "true church" or what jesus originally intended.
i know jws call themselves the "true christians".
by what authority - outside of the bible, since 41,000 denominations use the bible to back up their individual beliefs - can jws make this claim?
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Prognoser
Tec said:
I don't know, Prognoser... I thought you were agreeing that God backed the Catholic church despite all the things it did against the teachings of His Son? I can't remember now.
I definitely agree with that. ;)
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By What Authority?
by Orthodox1 inthe jws, catholics, mormons, and a handful of others say they are the "true church" or what jesus originally intended.
i know jws call themselves the "true christians".
by what authority - outside of the bible, since 41,000 denominations use the bible to back up their individual beliefs - can jws make this claim?
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Prognoser
Tec, your last post to me...where was our disagreement?
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By What Authority?
by Orthodox1 inthe jws, catholics, mormons, and a handful of others say they are the "true church" or what jesus originally intended.
i know jws call themselves the "true christians".
by what authority - outside of the bible, since 41,000 denominations use the bible to back up their individual beliefs - can jws make this claim?
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Prognoser
But NewChapter, if God did not directly interfere in the lives of the ancient Hebrews, don't you think His Word would have vanished into obscurity? And how would that have fared for the future freewill of humans? God should have allowed truth to slip into obscurity and evil to dominate, thus skewing the balance of choice?
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By What Authority?
by Orthodox1 inthe jws, catholics, mormons, and a handful of others say they are the "true church" or what jesus originally intended.
i know jws call themselves the "true christians".
by what authority - outside of the bible, since 41,000 denominations use the bible to back up their individual beliefs - can jws make this claim?
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Tec, obviously a just God would not OK torture and the other bad things the Church did. But if he interfered and said "stop doing those terrible things in my name," what would happen to our freewill? And yes, if you are sincere about Jesus Christ, you know better than to do those things. But also consider context. The Catholic Church was the foundation upon which many people's faith relied. Suddenly, the Church was facing a break with the reformers and was being infiltrated by fake converts, like the Marranos, which led to the Spanish Inquisition. It took a harsh reactionary position. Was it right for them to take such a harsh position? Probably not. But that is what the leaders chose to do. What was God to do? What is your advice to God in that situation? Regardless, the Word was proliferating throughout the world. The Church's faulty actions can be attributed to individual sin, since an individual or small group of individuals chose to make the decisions on behalf of the greater Church.
New Chapter, I will answer your questions, without getting into theology, with simply that God allows bad things to happen for the sake of maintaining our freewill. Is that so difficult a concept to grasp? If God stopped all bad things from happening, you would complain that he wasn't letting you decide the course of events in your life. You want to have your cake and eat it too?
You can't argue that the Bible contradicts itself, because it never promises utopia in this world. Even the millenial reign wasn't to be a utopia, and it clearly wasn't. -
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By What Authority?
by Orthodox1 inthe jws, catholics, mormons, and a handful of others say they are the "true church" or what jesus originally intended.
i know jws call themselves the "true christians".
by what authority - outside of the bible, since 41,000 denominations use the bible to back up their individual beliefs - can jws make this claim?
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Prognoser
NewChapter, it is easy to make armchair critiques of the Christian God and his relationship with men. But it is quite another thing to suggest a better alternative or give God advice on how He could have done things better. Any suggestions?
Who says God was to bring utopia to this world? Obviously, according to the Bible, it wasn't part of the test. It would have nullified the test and, more importantly, free will. So, in the meantime, God must make due with what he has: an imperfect and highly rebellious creation.
