i'm wondering if any of you suffered major guilt over getting yourself off while a dub.
or did you all manage to abstain until you left?
i know it was one of the main reasons i left.
LB says:
Wait a second, women MASTURBATE????
....LMAO
Scully says:
It's like giving a brand new bike to a kid and telling him he's not allowed to use it until he's got a driver's licence....LOL...I like that analogy. I'll have to write that down for future reference.
Fortunately, I've never been a dub. Never had to feel a bit of guilt .
sadie
i would like some brief stories of people saying the reasons they joined jw organisation.
where you already in another church, were you disillusioned, were you biblically illiterate?
and if it is possible, please let me know where you come from, hoping you're not all from usa.
Everything they said (at the time) made sense. They were able to explain things to me in a way that no one ever had before (especially the events of the books of Daniel and Revelation). It didn't occur to me that just because it made sense and sounded right didn't mean that it was. And yes, I was very bible illiterate. I couldn't tell them why I believed any of the things I believed....or maybe I could, but their arguments were more convincing.
The Paradise Earth hooked me, as well...and the no hell. The thought of going to heaven was never to appealing to me...always sounded sort of boring (no offense). And after years of hearing fire and brimstone preached at you with fury, the idea that there was no punishment except annihilation for the wicked sounded pretty good. Also, the fact that the JWs use a ton of scripture to support their beliefs, where as at your average church sermon the pastor/priest may use 2-3 (if that), was impressive as well.
sadie
after much deliberation, i decided to go "out" at the end of a public talk.
it didn't go down too well, but at least i was able to give some of my reasons for leaving.. i've put some of the details on my homepage.
i'll update it more when i get the time and the strength.
*****Applauds*****
That took a lot of guts. I will keep you in my prayers and I hope everything works out between you and your wife and your family (assuming you have children or other family in the org). I am eager to hear the talk. I will keep checking back at your website.
Keep your chin up. You know in your heart you've done a fine thing and may have even reached a few others in the process (if nothing else you've given them a bit of fat to chew on for a while )
LittleToe says:
Shocked disbelief, or Power of prayer...More than likely a combination of the two. Personally, I would probably fall out of my seat if I ever had the (lucky) opportunity to experience someone doing what you just did. And I admire you for leaving out the JW bashing. They would've tuned you out at that point for sure...and rendered your talk meaningless and null to them. Best to let the word of God speak for itself (Heb 4:12).
sadie
part 4: the last km school .
the average jw elder participates in extra exclusive activities over and above the rank & file jw: among them are the judicial committees, private meetings with the circuit and district overseer on various official occasions, possession of the secretive flock book, and kingdom ministry school.. of all these, the least frequently experienced is km school.
it is not all that exciting, because much of what is covered is admonition about what most jws already know that elders are supposed to be doing: examples in field service, regular shepherding calls, meeting preparation and attendance, study with the family, etc.
Earnest says:
I have no inclination to involve myself in the ongoing repartee between SexyTeen and the rest of the board. However, I do wish to make clear that I have not and will not indulge in split personalities and do not expect to be judged on what others have posted...
When this YoYo person emailed me, the name on his email account was "Ernesto ______" (unfortunately, I deleted it and can't remember what his last name was). Probably wasn't even his real name anyway.
Earnest, I apologize for upsetting you. I don't even know if I have ever spoke to you since being here but this is no way for two people to meet. (Starting over...hand shake) It's nice to meet you and I am sure you are a swell guy (I'm doubly sure you are if you walk your dog). I am a swell chick and meant you no harm. I apologize in advance for any trouble that my calling YoYo Ernesto may cause you.
Take care and sorry...
sadie
my daughter was born at 9:05am tuesday morning.
she's a skinny little thing, 7 pounds 5 ounces, with a shock of black hair, her father's chin, her mother's eyes, and a fetish for sucking on fingertips that neither of us recognize in ourselves.
i'll post pictures when i have them up somewhere ... meanwhile, foxy and i are trying to catch as much sleep as possible, which is precious little sleep at all.
Congratulations!!!!
part 4: the last km school .
the average jw elder participates in extra exclusive activities over and above the rank & file jw: among them are the judicial committees, private meetings with the circuit and district overseer on various official occasions, possession of the secretive flock book, and kingdom ministry school.. of all these, the least frequently experienced is km school.
it is not all that exciting, because much of what is covered is admonition about what most jws already know that elders are supposed to be doing: examples in field service, regular shepherding calls, meeting preparation and attendance, study with the family, etc.
Typical for God, he does not say anything directly in eturn ... just silence.....
Why would he answer you? You had already made your decision without God to leave, so there was no sence in him answering your prayer. Your faith was already dead, brainwashed by Ray Franz.
SexyTeen,
Who are you to say who God does and does not speak to?
Brainwashed?? Look at the pot calling the kettle black.
People, something is seriously wrong with this person.
SexyTeen, YoYoMama (and this one saddens me because I thought you were a geniunely nice person, ERNESTO), helpothers...whatever the hell your name is....do us all a favor and get some help!!!
Sincerely,
Sadie
part 4: the last km school .
the average jw elder participates in extra exclusive activities over and above the rank & file jw: among them are the judicial committees, private meetings with the circuit and district overseer on various official occasions, possession of the secretive flock book, and kingdom ministry school.. of all these, the least frequently experienced is km school.
it is not all that exciting, because much of what is covered is admonition about what most jws already know that elders are supposed to be doing: examples in field service, regular shepherding calls, meeting preparation and attendance, study with the family, etc.
well, i've finally had it.
i'm da'ing myself, along with a piece of my fam.
the unbaptised ones are refusing to go with my father now, and even my still devout father is leaning towards our opinion on things.. there wasn't even any screaming when i called the jw's the great hypocrisy last nite.. i just can allow myself to be associated with them in any way.
I wish and your family the best of luck (hey, you can accept "good luck" now ) in starting your new lives!! Ditto to what Valis and Freeborg said. I am very happy that you are not alone in this either. And I too admire the wonderful way you speak of your wife. That is a very uncommon and admirable quality.
I will keep you and your family in my prayers.
sadie
can somebody please explain to me biblically where it says jesus died on a stake and not a cross?
need theological details, please.
prove your stakely beliefs...
Isn't there a scripture??...Gal 6:14 NWT that states:, "Never should I boast, EXCEPT in the torture stake of our Lord Jesus Christ..."
Perhaps I am reading this incorrectly but doesn't this tell us that we should boast in the instrument of Christ's death?
Any thoughts??
sadie
you may not remember, but i know you very well.
i met you a long time ago when you came to my house with your smiling faces, your neat clothes, and your soft voices, and a bible tucked neatly under your arm.
you told me many beautiful stories of a "paradise earth," and a "righteous new system" which would be established shortly.
That was so moving. I am glad that this is an open letter. Hopefully this can reach many who haven't already welcomed these gentle people into their lives, and can serve as a warning to them and to those who have but may be already studying but haven't gotten baptized (such as myself). A real eye opener.
I don't think many realize the seriousness of getting involved in this religion. Many (once again...such as myself) in the beginning think of it as any other "church"....if you disagree with their teachings it's ok....or...if you change your mind and decide that this isn't for you then you can just go somewhere else. Unfortunately, unlike the other "christian" churches, you do NOT have this freedom with the WTS. I know, prior to coming here, I was completely unaware of the seriousness of this. It hadn't even occurred to me that I couldn't decide later on that this wasn't for me without possibly, even probably, losing my family. That is a very scary reality. Many, and probably even MOST, never find this out until it is too late.
Thanks again for sharing this.
Sadie
