Posts by Xanthippe

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"Inactive" non Attenders, how much power do the JW's have over YOU ?

by Phizzy in

i was thinking about this because of the constant reminders we get in posts that we inactive non attenders have to be careful what we say to jw's, and what we do that they may learn about etc, if we don't wish to be before a j.c. the power they have is limited by what we give them.

now, i do not wish to be declared df'd of da'd, it would kill my old mum i think.. but i refuse to live my life looking over my shoulder, that, in my opinion, is giving them too much power.. i openly vote, i openly donate blood, i enjoy the odd cigar etc etc.. how much power do you allow them to have over you ?.

Xanthippe

Just another perspective for a moment, I was thinking about fear of upsetting elderly parents and family so therefore people try and fade. Perhaps this sounds heartless but my mother was very upset when I left as were my brother and sisters. Am I to be held responsible for people who never read anything of depth or think deeply in their entire lives? Who switch off the news, never read a newspaper and until the GB said it was okay, rejected information technology. Is it my fault they are wilfully ignorant and this has caused them pain when I left the cult?

We are all responsible for continually learning about our world and if we choose to be lazy and put on rose coloured glasses because life is difficult and painful then we have to put up with our more intelligent, more well-read relatives going their own way.

That's what I did and they just dumped me without asking why or caring what moved my heart to make that decision. If that broke their hearts then so be it. Sorry but that's just how I feel today.

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Planning ahead for the desires of the flesh.

by Xanthippe in

i've just booked some cinema tickets for later today and also ordered a book i want to take on holiday.

from nowhere that scripture they were always quoting at us came to me, something about don't be planning ahead for the desires of the flesh.

you always had to be planning spiritual, theocratic stuff, entertainment and pleasure were a bit dodgy, better not tell anyone.

Xanthippe

Yeah 2+2= 5 I'm feeling really guilty 😏

Ucantnome you should have at least two vacations a year now to make up for it. Same here because my mother took us to conventions instead! Then I pioneered so no money, stupid! Making up for it now.

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Planning ahead for the desires of the flesh.

by Xanthippe in

i've just booked some cinema tickets for later today and also ordered a book i want to take on holiday.

from nowhere that scripture they were always quoting at us came to me, something about don't be planning ahead for the desires of the flesh.

you always had to be planning spiritual, theocratic stuff, entertainment and pleasure were a bit dodgy, better not tell anyone.

Xanthippe

I've just booked some cinema tickets for later today and also ordered a book I want to take on holiday. From nowhere that scripture they were always quoting at us came to me, something about don't be planning ahead for the desires of the flesh.

You always had to be planning spiritual, theocratic stuff, entertainment and pleasure were a bit dodgy, better not tell anyone. No wonder they're all sick and have mental health problems.

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what a wonderful site!

by scruffmcbuff in

ive been reading through this forum for a while and thought i should contribute!.

so im df, i was very involved regular pioneer for several years and i slowly started to wake up.. my exprience of leaving is horendous and contains alot of shocking (but apparently not that rare in the orgs) judicials and various encounters with the elders.. ive been out 10 years now and at 27 loving life!

running a succesful business and dont all thay materialistic stuff thata frowned apon, like providing my wife and kids with a nice car and house!

Xanthippe

Hi Scruff a warm welcome from Leicestershire.

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Remote Translation Offices (RTO) of Jehovah's Witnesses

by Brokeback Watchtower in

what do you think about these things.

it seems like a monumental waste of time and money, a pipe dream of the governing body based on wishful thinking.

this corporation is going down the tubes with these asshole deluded genius's calling the financial investment shot.. buying chemical dump property around the world to build their financial empire headquarters on while facing massive child molestation lawsuits now and many more in the future means it looking kind of bleak for these messed idiots running things.. http://jw-branchoffices.blogspot.com/p/watchtower-remote-translation-offices.html.

Xanthippe

There's nothing safer than property to invest their millions. The million pound sea-front 'translation' property in Wales will make a decent profit when they eventually sell. Meanwhile it's a lovely holiday home for the Bethel elite. I've seen the VIP lounge Bethel uses at Twickenham, they like their luxury.

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The Atheist Delusion

by looter in

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atheist delusion.

just want to know what the ex jw community thinks about this video and also offer my pov.

the video was actually an advertisement on here.

Xanthippe

They don’t want God to be true because they don’t want to submit themselves to any authority that would restrict their most cherished freedoms.

Same tired old argument. We don't want anyone to tell us what to do. Really?

Those who hold emotional objections to belief have usually been burned by believers and even Christians.

So we're either bad or sad? Pathetic. What about having searched the evidence for years and come to the conclusion God doesn't exist?

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Reason's why it is so difficult to leave

by Truthexplorer in

1. concerns about the effects it would have on yours and your family's social life.. 2. fear of being shunned.

3. the stress it will cause.

4. the thought of feeling isolated.

Xanthippe

Truth explorer I agree in principle with making a fade work for you but a lot of your concerns are about what other people think of you. Who cares what others think of you, live your life.

10. Missing routine ......Note: I hated my life before being a witness, I smoked canibas, felt down alot of the time ( mild depression) and hung out with the wrong people. I am older and maturer now and jw standards are now ingrained ie I hate foul language etc, general bad behaviour etc. The routine helps me remain somewhat good I suppose.

If you were depressed before the JW life and the routine makes you feel happy and 'good' this is the crux of the matter. You need to tackle your depression and why you need a group to tell you how to be a good person. Perhaps you need your own routine that makes you happy, a good diet, exercise, hobbies, friends outside the cult.

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Not too my son...

by The Rebel in

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will i say " orlando, your hair is too long, and needs to be cut short" and never will i say " orlando, invites to birthday parties can't be accepted".

and i will buy my son books he wants to read, books that bring him happiness, and that he understands.

and by so doing, i hope he will acquire happy memories of his childhood, so that the sensitive and delicate, in him will be allowed to grow.

Xanthippe

The JWs taught my mother that children should be respectful and not answer back which seems to equate to not having a personality or opinion when you're a child. I felt as though all the self esteem was squeezed out of me through the JW upbringing so I was determined that my daughter should have high self esteem and boy does she!

She's confident and has her own opinion on everything. She disagrees with me a lot! That's okay with me even though sometimes it's irritating because this world is tough and kids need to be strong. I never wanted it to be about my ego battling against hers and beating her into submission which I think is how JWs raise kids.

I wanted her to be herself, to grow into who she is and not be twisted up with rules. She's become a moral, ethical person without hundreds of rules. Not a goody two shoes, but someone who believes in treating people well, looking after the vulnerable and those in need but not putting up with abusive personalities.

She's stronger than me and cleverer than me because her brain and nervous system haven't been screwed up by a crazy cult. I think that's one way the world improves if we raise the next generation to be better people than we were.

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Anyone else feel guilty about bringing others into the "truth", once you have learned TTATT ?

by Dunedain in

i guess this is not so much about guilt, per se, but more so if you feel an obligation to reveal what you now know about ttatt, to those who you have studied with, taught the "truth" to, and are still in the borg ?.

i am sure most of us, after learning about the evils, and lies perpetrated by this organization, must feel some sort of guilt for being the catalyst in "exposing" others to the cult.

honestly, i feel none of us should actually, feel guilty though.

Xanthippe

Yes I feel bad about the two people my husband and I brought into that cult. At least we went and talked to both of them before we left but we couldn't get anywhere.

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Medical doctor describes a JW death from noblood

by OrphanCrow in

most people will consider the noblood doctrine as being something that affects only the jws involved and they rarely consider the medical professionals who have to deal with them and the tremendous emotional and mental toll the medical professionals are forced to deal with when confronting senseless death.. the following is an excerpt from a medical doctor's blog: .

i do not worry much about being dead although the process of getting there gives me pause.

i have witnessed a few unpleasant deaths and i hope to never see the grim reaper coming my way.. one of the more awful and pointless deaths occurred early in my career.

Xanthippe

It's good to be able to see the doctor's perspective for a change, thank you.