LUHE I said that saying there are no bisexual people they are all closet gays is reminiscent of when people used to say there are no gay people it's just a mental illness. Nowhere did I say Biggins has a mental illness!!
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Biggins the Bigot?
by LoveUniHateExams inchristopher biggins - the harmless, camp, homosexual, panto star - has been in hot water recently.
in addition to making a tasteless/offensive joke to a jewish contestant in the big brother household, further possibly offensive comments about bisexuality have landed him in hot water.
the offensive jewish joke wasn't broadcast but the comments on bisexuality were.
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Update on my struggle
by StarTrekAngel inso it has been a while since my last posting and i am happy to report on some positive progress.. in my personal section, i had posted already so i am not going to overextend, but i've found a group of apostate friends.
it turns out some brothers from my kh, whom i have lost touch with when they moved, are awaken to ttatt.
we got separated when our congo got divided several years ago.
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Xanthippe
Great news about your wife and that you've hooked up with some JWs that you used to know who are waking up 👍
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Are we victims of abuse? Should we even think of ourselves that way?
by nicolaou inabuse is such a serious word and i'd hate to use it lightly so if anyone reading this has suffered physical or sexual abuse please know that i absolutely do not equate religious abuse with your suffering.
that being said, many of us were lied to and manipulated for decades.
this cultic 'abuse' has borne fruit in shattered relationships, broken families and estranged children.
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Xanthippe
There were times I felt I was being tortured. I read about a type of torture where you are forced to say something that you don't believe is true, then when you have given in and agree to say it they slam you against the wall and say no that's wrong.
Whatever I did, pioneered, supported my husband as a MS than an elder, helped people in our book study group, it was never enough. I would go to the meeting, listen to the talks and feel that I was crap, useless. Do more, then when you do, you're not doing enough, you're doing it for the wrong motive, you're not humble enough, you are acting as if you are a good person but you don't really love God........
But acknowledging we were victims doesn't mean letting it ruin our lives. It should be the beginning of healing not something we wallow in for the rest of our lives.
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Biggins the Bigot?
by LoveUniHateExams inchristopher biggins - the harmless, camp, homosexual, panto star - has been in hot water recently.
in addition to making a tasteless/offensive joke to a jewish contestant in the big brother household, further possibly offensive comments about bisexuality have landed him in hot water.
the offensive jewish joke wasn't broadcast but the comments on bisexuality were.
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Xanthippe
Isn't he saying that men who don't admit to being gay go abroad have sex with men then come back to their families and infect their partners with HIV. He says these bisexual people are gays in denial, surely that's saying there aren't any bisexual people. That is reminiscent of saying there are no gay people, it's a mental illness surely?
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Is remaining ignorant a choice?
by stuckinarut2 inis remaining ignorant about the society a choice?.
surely every witness has a moment in time when "something just doesn't seem right"?
perhaps a teaching, doctrine, an article, a talk, a news report about child abuse handling, or a jwdubdotorg broadcast, a video, a cartoon for the kids....you know....?.
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Xanthippe
We had a family that became 'apostate' in my congregation when I was a teenager. He said he was anointed and would teach people on the coach to and from the summer convention. My mother suspected he was apostate and noticed he'd been talking to people on the coach. I had been sitting near him so I started to tell her what I'd heard. She practically put her hands over her ears and said don't you dare tell me. As if the words would do something bad to her. It was just weird. So yes I think ignorance is a choice.
My dad asked me to phone my sister and I told him it was pointless because she hadn't spoken to me for 16 years. He was shocked and a couple of days later he rang me and said he'd sorted it out and I could phone her, so I did. She rebuked me for saying she hadn't spoken to me for 16 years. I said well it's true! She told me that our father didn't understand the reasons why. I said how could he, it's cruel and unusual punishment!
She said I knew you would attack my religion if ever I talked to you about it and she slammed the phone down. That was me talking about her religion was it! I didn't quite get as far as 607 or overlapping generations did I? Is ignorance a choice, oh I would say so.
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Can a full healing from cult ever be accomplished
by Chook incan all indoctrination leave a person , or does it linger in background till death..
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Xanthippe
Use what you were forced to do as a JW. I went to the headmaster's office and handed back the raffle tickets we were each given. I stood outside school assembly, sat in a class on my own during school Xmas parties, didn't join in with making Easter cards.
Am I damaged? Well it wasn't fun but I can go just about anywhere on my own including getting on a plane and travelling to other countries. I can join clubs and classes and go on my own if no one wants to come with me.
Some friends and relatives, never in a cult, can't seem to do anything on their own. Did I enjoy growing up in a cult? Of course not, but use what you have learned, whether you enjoyed it or not, to make your life now as interesting and fulfilling as possible. Don't let that cult defeat you. You are bigger than that.
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RIP dad, who introduced me to this fairytail of everlastin life and paradise :(
by Frezia inless than 5 hours ago my great dad fell asleep the last time :( still in a bit of a shock and sad that i will not see him again...i promised myself that once he is here no more, i will somehow make my move out of this organisation who kept us all captive believing in a fantasy of an everlasting life :( i am in a tricky situation, since raised as jw, still in, married to an active jw, and pretty sure that all in my social and family circle will turn their backs on me if i finally say goodbye to a fairytail ;(.
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Xanthippe
My condolences for the loss of your father Frezia. It's hard for you having all your family and friends in. I wish you strength through the traumatic time of the funeral and the lead up to it. 🌹
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Adult survivor of sexual abuse as a child
by life is to short ini showed the video from the midweek meeting of september 12th to my counselor to get her take on it.
she said that it clearly was a propaganda video and was appalled that it was shown to an audience that had small children in it.
she said that they could have been way more generic in their way of portraying the women as having been abused.. the subject of sexual abuse and the way the video zeroed in on it would have small children asking questions that really did not need to be addressed.
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Thanks I'll have a look.
Yes that is maddening. It's always our fault isn't it? You should have said to the CO, I'm just a volunteer. It's all your fault. Like when I got sick pioneering, I should have stopped, nobody was making me pioneer! Yeah right!
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Adult survivor of sexual abuse as a child
by life is to short ini showed the video from the midweek meeting of september 12th to my counselor to get her take on it.
she said that it clearly was a propaganda video and was appalled that it was shown to an audience that had small children in it.
she said that they could have been way more generic in their way of portraying the women as having been abused.. the subject of sexual abuse and the way the video zeroed in on it would have small children asking questions that really did not need to be addressed.
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Xanthippe
LITS I don't know about this video. Has it been mentioned on here and I've missed it? It's interesting that an outsider only had to watch it to realise it's propaganda to make people think they are helping sexual abuse victims when they're clearly not.
I'm glad you've found a good counsellor.
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What is the purpose of life?
by slimboyfat inwhile reading the magazines the other day it occurred to me that jws never really had a very good answer to that question.
because it was aimed at young people and it said something along the lines, "if you believe in god you have a purpose, but if you don't believe in god your life has no purpose or meaning".
i think that is a faulty analysis of the situation.
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Xanthippe
Maybe it's just me I dunno but instead of all this fighting couldn't this have been a great thread with people discussing what they think reality is and then offering what gives life purpose for them personally?