MrRoboto and Punky maybe he is waking up, I hope so. They both use to moan like crazy about the stuff that went on in their congregation, until we left. Then everything was rosy.
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My sister has a different view of shunning to my brother-in-law, but he doesn't know
by Xanthippe inmy library has volunteers who run the local history department.
they put up an exhibition last month called women at war and they asked for photos of people in uniform who aided the war effort in wwll.
i offered a photo of my mother in her red cross nurse's uniform but then i couldn't find it so i had to write to my sister asking if she had it.. i addressed it to her and her husband explaining why i wanted it and just wrote as if this is family property and i needed it.
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My sister has a different view of shunning to my brother-in-law, but he doesn't know
by Xanthippe inmy library has volunteers who run the local history department.
they put up an exhibition last month called women at war and they asked for photos of people in uniform who aided the war effort in wwll.
i offered a photo of my mother in her red cross nurse's uniform but then i couldn't find it so i had to write to my sister asking if she had it.. i addressed it to her and her husband explaining why i wanted it and just wrote as if this is family property and i needed it.
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Yes he's JW, been a MS for decades.Thanks punky, it did look good.
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My sister has a different view of shunning to my brother-in-law, but he doesn't know
by Xanthippe inmy library has volunteers who run the local history department.
they put up an exhibition last month called women at war and they asked for photos of people in uniform who aided the war effort in wwll.
i offered a photo of my mother in her red cross nurse's uniform but then i couldn't find it so i had to write to my sister asking if she had it.. i addressed it to her and her husband explaining why i wanted it and just wrote as if this is family property and i needed it.
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My library has volunteers who run the local history department. They put up an exhibition last month called Women at War and they asked for photos of people in uniform who aided the war effort in WWll. I offered a photo of my mother in her Red Cross nurse's uniform but then I couldn't find it so I had to write to my sister asking if she had it.
I addressed it to her and her husband explaining why I wanted it and just wrote as if this is family property and I needed it. They did send it and my sister put a note in saying we think this is the one you mean. I was delighted and it was good to see my mother's face every day at work for a month doing something useful for the world before she became a JW. It made me proud.
Then I thought I would like to thank my sister so I used the mobile phone number I've not used since my parents died and sent her a text telling her how good the photo looked enlarged in the exhibition and thanking her. She didn't reply, absolutely nothing and yet in the card she sent with the knowledge of her husband she was fine, even chatty.
This confirms what I've suspected for a while that the reason she makes a point of kissing me and my daughter at funerals and trying to engage me in conversation is it's all for her husband's benefit. I thought it was for the nonJW relatives but they know how she treats us.
Years ago I remember him phoning me offering to mow my lawns when my husband died and I said this is a surprise! He said well his wife, my sister, phones me regularly doesn't she. I told him she doesn't you know, she doesn't keep in touch. He didn't believe me, she's convinced him she contacts me regularly.
It just seems so two-faced to me! Again I wonder if some of these people actually believe in god, who do they think they're fooling. Also why so many different attitudes to shunning? Who is following the correct rule as I'm disassociated, her or him? She has never taken advantage of the family business thing to keep in touch. I'm sure she could if she wanted to.
Anyway rant over, thanks for reading.
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It's been a GREAT week for me!
by dubstepped inso as some of you know i have a podcast called this jw life.
i put my story out there in 9 parts, and i've had lots of great experiences so far and met lots of nice people and i've made new internet friends, even some in person.
this last seven days though has been soooooo cool!.
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Great news! Thank you for all your hard work you're really filling a need of desperate people.
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No other religion is as guilty as JW religion—you know why?
by venus inall other religions have myths that show satan as inferior to god almighty.
but only jw religion portrays satan more powerful than god through their teaching of “issue of sovereignty” which implies god almighty needs validation from satan as though he waits till satan is satisfied which has not happened even after killing of jesus 2000 years ago and things like ethnic cleansing, spilling of oceans of blood ….
etc..
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All other religions have myths that show Satan as inferior to God Almighty. But only JW religion portrays Satan more powerful than God through their teaching of “Issue of Sovereignty” which implies God Almighty needs validation from Satan as though He waits till Satan is satisfied which has not happened even after killing of Jesus 2000 years ago and things like ethnic cleansing, spilling of oceans of blood …. etc.
Venus I basically agree with you on this as JWs have come up with the universal sovereignty doctrine because the kingdom of God hasn't arrived yet, as you say even with their belief in the ransom sacrifice of Jesus.
Probably because they don't believe everyone goes to heaven they've come up with an answer as to why our reward of a paradise earth has taken so damn long to get here.
We're waiting for God to give an answer to Satan, as in Job's account, proof that people serve him out of love and not for reward. As with everything the JWs believe they keep having to think of ridiculous reasons why paradise has been delayed.
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Do you believe in god?
by freakyAL ini used to be a staunch believer in god.
maybe its technology and science advancing so much thats got me doubting idk.
do you believe in god?
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If God is the father, he would definitely know the capacity of his children. Man is capable of solving all the problems on earth, he really wants. Already some parts of earth is like paradise which can be extended to other parts if humans really wants.
I feel you're missing the point here Venus. You seem to have agreed with me that God is impotent in human affairs although you think he is watching us because we are clever children and we'll get it right in the end. The point is he isn't doing anything and as we know how we got here through evolution there is no evidence for his existence.
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First constructive change should be this--ban all religions.
Then arrange a panel of experts from all countries to find out ways to avoid all other wastages
So you have left religion behind, we have something in common. Personally I think you need to push yourself one step further and accept that we will eventually find an explanation for 'unexplainable' phenomena, of which there are many, without resort to a supernatural being.
We don't yet have the physics to answer all our questions but resorting to a god of the gaps is a) ignoring all the evidence that he isn't there and b) missing all the fun of finding the real answers to all the amazing things still to be discovered.
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Do you believe in god?
by freakyAL ini used to be a staunch believer in god.
maybe its technology and science advancing so much thats got me doubting idk.
do you believe in god?
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People learn through experience—they are supposed to repeat what brings benefits, and to avoid what brings harm to them and others.—in that case, He doesn’t have to communicate with us. -venus
So God watched while humans burnt hundreds of screaming humans so we could learn from experience that religious bigotry has no value? Did he have popcorn?
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Re: Mentally diseased
by carla ini have been thinking about the mentally diseased belief/doctrine of jw's lately and the thread the other day about the mentally challenged child who was brutally (and humorously) honest at a convention got me to wonder something.
it seems to me that jw's use 'mentally diseased' in such a derogatory way as if it is a failing on the part of the person, or almost sinful (demons?
), or perhaps that person should just be dismissed on all counts all the time.
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I've often thought the same, they are saying those who are evil apostates in their eyes have a mental illness. If that's true then we need help rather than shunning surely?
As for demons, yes when I was in that cult I, like many others, had depression and an elder and his wife came to see me. I was trying to explain how I was really trying to get myself well and I said I feel better when I get out of the house for a while. The woman immediately said oh I wonder if it's demonism if you feel better when you get outside of this old house (we lived in an apartment in a Georgian house). Not helpful! They're obsessed with demons.
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Critical times, hard to deal with!
by The Fall Guy ini reckoned that a comment by muddy waters in his latest post deserved a separate consideration - especially for active/fading j.w.'s..
's who called on him, parroted out the org's message of doom from 2 timothy 3:1-5 to remind him how bad the world is and that it showed that we are living in the last days.. a former elder/p.o.
once told me that he hated it every time the wtbts falsely applied these verses to the 20-21st century.
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So there's going to be a judgement day for all claiming to be Christian?
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Critical times, hard to deal with!
by The Fall Guy ini reckoned that a comment by muddy waters in his latest post deserved a separate consideration - especially for active/fading j.w.'s..
's who called on him, parroted out the org's message of doom from 2 timothy 3:1-5 to remind him how bad the world is and that it showed that we are living in the last days.. a former elder/p.o.
once told me that he hated it every time the wtbts falsely applied these verses to the 20-21st century.
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That's a shame I did hope you would answer my question so I could be sure of your meaning. What I wanted to add is that without meaning to sound patronising I've been through this stage after leaving the WTS. My husband and I believed it had once been the true religion and had become corrupt. We too took the Bible prophesies to mean Jehovah would judge his own people first.
We spent about two years on that idea, I just want to say it was a waste of time, of life. It would have been better to do what we did after that, studied history and science. Decided the Bible was just another book, the JWs were just another religion and started to understand how we evolved on earth.