Posts by Xanthippe

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Good Works by "worldly people".

by Lost in the fog in

i have friends who are called "worldly people" by jws.

these people are actively involved in feeding the homeless over christmas.

managing thrift shops so they can send financial aid overseas to poorer children.

Xanthippe

I love having the choice now to give to people in need. I can't give to everyone, nobody can but I like the food banks and Crisis at Christmas for homeless people. It seems awful not having enough to eat or a roof over your head.

Unicef are brilliant for getting vaccines to far-flung places. Amnesty do great work for prisoners of conscience and people suffering injustices. WWF have worked to get tiger numbers up and it's worked!

Like Snare I'm not proud of what I can do now, I'm just sad and amazed that I didn't do it before. Cults really mess with your head! To make ordinary people so uncaring takes a huge amount of brainwashing.

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Very Lost

by Jrjw in

hi i've been a jw for 12 years and got married 2 years ago.

i'm now separated.

my husband hid from me that he suffered from depression, extreme anxiety issues and a personality disorder.

Xanthippe

I can't get back with him even though we have a son coz I'll end up having a break down or having my own mental health problems in the future coz of him and I won't put my kids through all the mental torture off him again.

My mother was persuaded by elders to stay with my dad inspite of his mental health problems. She spent her entire married life having depression. Mine was not a happy family. I'm glad you don't want to do that to your kids.

There are other doctrines that have nn's questioning the truth too especially Deuteronomy 18:20-22.

Exactly if this religion has been a false prophet God says not to fear them. In fact the Bible says they should be put to death! Perhaps just leave instead! You have your nonJW family to go back to, you can build a new support system starting with them.

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Royal Australian Commission - Recomendations for Jehovahs Witnesses

by curiousconfused in

the report is finally out.......... ————————.

recommendations to the jehovah’s witness organisation.

recommendation 16.27. the jehovah’s witness organisation should abandon its application of the two-witness rule in cases involving complaints of child sexual abuse.. recommendation 16.28. the jehovah’s witness organisation on should revise its policies so that women are involved in processes related to invesation and determining allegations of child sexual abuse.. recommendation 16.29. the jehovah’s witness organisation should no longer require its members to shun those who disassociate from the organisation in cases where the reason for disassocia on is related to a person being a victim of child sexual abuse..

Xanthippe

It was just on the BBC radio news about the ARC. I wonder if the JWs that most of us have told about it will hear it and start connecting the dots. This is real, it's not just what 'bitter' exJWs are saying, it's not all lies.

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Royal Australian Commission - Recomendations for Jehovahs Witnesses

by curiousconfused in

the report is finally out.......... ————————.

recommendations to the jehovah’s witness organisation.

recommendation 16.27. the jehovah’s witness organisation should abandon its application of the two-witness rule in cases involving complaints of child sexual abuse.. recommendation 16.28. the jehovah’s witness organisation on should revise its policies so that women are involved in processes related to invesation and determining allegations of child sexual abuse.. recommendation 16.29. the jehovah’s witness organisation should no longer require its members to shun those who disassociate from the organisation in cases where the reason for disassocia on is related to a person being a victim of child sexual abuse..

Xanthippe

Brilliant thank you. Do you have any idea what happens if they don't follow the recommendations?

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the life saving message

by jookbeard in

the life saving message of death and gloom brought to a town centre near to you!.

Xanthippe

They see hundreds of people an hour yet no one talks to them the whole day and they are not allowed to proactively engage

Really konceptual? Why can't they engage with people?

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2018 UK convention dates

by wifibandit in

2018 uk convention dates.

Xanthippe

"Oh sod it, do give up"

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Why do we speak out once we learn TTATT?? Because the Society TRAINED us to do so!

by stuckinarut2 in

i was just thinking about how the gb / society hates it when people like us dare to speak up or mention anything negative about the society.. they try and demean us, or colour witnesses view of anyone who leaves - especially if we speak up!

we know the sort of rhetoric they have been spewing forth over the last few years.. but the gb needs to face the fact that we speak out because we have been trained to do so by them!

they have used scriptural passages to encourage us repeatedly to "preach with boldness"(acts 4:29-31 eph 6:19).

Xanthippe

This is so true. If we find TTATT and tell our family and friends because we care about them and because we've been trained to speak the truth, that's apostasy and you're out!

Exactly what happened to my husband and myself, although we refused to attend the kangaroo court and sent them a letter instead. The outcome was the same! We lost all the people we cared enough to speak the truth to.

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Have you ever thought what the primary teaching of Jehovah’s Witnesses is?

by Half banana in

it is not “preach the good news” nor is it “believe in jesus and get saved” neither is it “believe in the governing body of jehovah’s witnesses and get saved” although in practice they do teach this.

no, everything they claim depends on a belief in another doctrine which logic decrees cannot be found in the bible.

the leadership of jehovah’s witnesses put absolute faith in a protestant doctrine which is given a latin name, sola scriptura, meaning “by scripture alone”.. good evidence of the governing body believing in the primacy of this doctrine was when being questioned by the australian royal commission, they resorted to the ‘authority’ of scripture to defend their stance on having “two witnesses” when they are investigating child abuse cases.throughout the hearing they paraded their naive trust in the bible as the highest possible authority proudly ignoring the fact that most people regard it as having been superseded by modern scientific evaluations of what is true.. .

Xanthippe

Well yes the primary teaching of all Protestant religions since the Reformation has been follow the Bible rather than the tyranny of the Papacy. As with all, or most, Protestant churches the development of a new clergy/laity division has put the enthusiasts of freedom of thought back to square one. A new group of people, priests, bishops, tell the church members what to believe rather than looking to Rome. The original Protestant idea of only look to the Bible and have that Bible in your own language so you can decide what you believe has more or less vanished.

I do like what you say Half banana that all scripture being inspired couldn't have meant just the Bible because the early church didn't have all scripture available to them. That's an interesting thought.

Of course it was a widely held belief in ancient times that poets, writers and artists were inspired by gods and goddesses. As you say inspired utterances could refer to a great many writings on faith.

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And finally I'm out

by Skepsis in

jw
friends

hi all.. it's being a while that i don't share in the forum.

after moving to another country and finding a job, i asked my congregation in my country to send my publishing card here.

once i did it, i stopped attending meetings.

Xanthippe

Skepsis well done! You really got out of your comfort zone even moving to another country! Yes it's scary wondering what's out there in the world but it's just ordinary people living their lives. Congratulations and have a great life.

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"Are you humble enough to admit you were wrong?"

by stuckinarut2 in

that is a question i want to calmly and politely ask a witness next time i interact with them.

perhaps at a cart.. "the bible says we should be humble.

may i ask, are you humble enough to admit you were wrong on things you believe?

Xanthippe

I like it Stuck. I've been thinking for a while about approaching the JWs I see at the carts occasionally in my town. I couldn't memorize all the good suggestions I've heard on the forum but your question I would like to try, especially in connection with the 1914 generation and Armageddon being delayed. This has been taught from door to door for years so why wouldn't I know about it? No explanation of who I am needed.

Obviously they were wrong, but to put it to them are you humble enough to admit it, yes I like that. Then perhaps it would lead into a discussion. If they start on the latest explanation, overlapping generations, well nothing left to do! Just stand back and watch them trying to explain it, hopefully at least then it may strike them as ridiculous!