When my friend said this I said am I supposed to stop my child going to university? Does the best way of life mean she has to sacrifice her good brain, do menial work and live in near poverty as I did pioneering? When she said they are the most moral people I said have you heard of Candace Conti?
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"I don't care if it's teachings are false, I'd never leave because it's the best way of life"
by 4thgen inhave you ever heard that statement?
i have heard it many times and i just don't know what to do with it.
they are chosing a to live a lie because they like the lifestyle.
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What Happened to the Religion I Left in 1995?
by JoshJeffries injosh here, new to the board.
glad to know this site is here.. i would not be writing this if it were not 2014. i was a ministerial servant and regular pioneer who left the jehovahs witnesses back in 1995/96, around that time.
i left suddenly, didnt fade away, just left when something clicked one day in my head during the morning shower and made me realize this religion wasnt true.
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Hi Josh same thing happened to me when I looked at this forum two years ago, I left in '89. Overlapping generations! A different Watchtower for the public. More partakers at the memorial and numbers still rising! My brother and sisters swallowed all of this and are still there, can't get my head around it.
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Reading the Bible Alone "Will Lead you to Apostate Thinkings!" Stay a Watchtowerite!
by BucketShopBill in"from time to time, there have arisen from among the ranks of jehovah's people those, who, like the original satan, have adopted an independent, faultfinding attitude...they say that it is sufficient to read the bible exclusively, either alone or in small groups at home.
but, strangely, through such 'bible reading,' they have reverted right back to the apostate doctrines that commentaries by christendom's clergy were teaching 100 years ago.
the watchtower, aug. 15, 1981.. .
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Yes BSB it was at a circuit assembly in mid-eighties I first heard we could not study just the Bible with people anymore. Shocked, so much so I phoned a friend in another circuit who confirmed they had the same talk. Loud alarm bells rang that day.
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What Happened to Elihu Books? Greg Stafford's Website is Gone!
by BucketShopBill ini loved this guy, he was cool and now i found out his website domain is up for sale.
what happened to greg, is he still alive and doing well?
did he return to the organization, any information would be appreciated!.
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Watching the World - Awake! August 2014
by Xanthippe inwatching the world.
''every year, nearly 3 million babies die within the first month of life, most from preventable causes.
more than a third of these babies die on their first day of life" - save the children international.
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This religion infuriates me! How ridiculous to quote statistics from a charity that has been saving children's lives with donations from ordinary people since 1919. Eglantyne Jebb found out that German and Austrian children were starving because of the devastation of WWI and she asked ordinary people to donate money to their former enemy country, which they did!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eglantyne_Jebb
Ordinary people have been opening their hearts and donating to complete strangers for the entire time the JWs have been preaching the destruction of all the men, women and children who don't agree with them. Good people are doing something about this world instead of whining about the problems. These charities are there in every conflict, every earthquake, every natural disaster. They exist because human suffering moves the hearts of decent ordinary people. Stop whining about the state of the world Watchtower, get your wallet out.
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Watching the World - Awake! August 2014
by Xanthippe inwatching the world.
''every year, nearly 3 million babies die within the first month of life, most from preventable causes.
more than a third of these babies die on their first day of life" - save the children international.
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WATCHING THE WORLD
''Every year, nearly 3 million babies die within the first month of life, most from preventable causes. More than a third of these babies die on their first day of life" - Save the Children International
So do they encourage people to give to Save the Children to buy medicines and to finance immunisation programs? No they prevented JWs from giving to charity at least they did when I was there. These fat cats of an American publishing company know that these kids are dying but do nothing.
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Come on! Tell it like it is. People are LYING when they tell you, "I've read the Bible."
by Terry ingo ahead.
tell me.. "i've read the bible cover to cover.
i don't believe you.. it is damned near impossible!.
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Terry you seem baffled why we care what you said well for me I think it was the last straw. I've seen people talk about 'piousneers' who lied about their hours and 'elderettes' who don't give a damn about anyone. As a regular pioneer who started doing 100 hours a month and never lied about my hours and an elder's wife who tried really hard to help people being told I lied about reading the Bible finished me off.
I read it cover to cover so as not to be a hypocrite when I knocked on doors trying to teach it. I'm not alone, many pioneers and elders/wives on this site have hinted how hard they worked. FFS why should we be ashamed of actually being genuine even if we were misguided!
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Come on! Tell it like it is. People are LYING when they tell you, "I've read the Bible."
by Terry ingo ahead.
tell me.. "i've read the bible cover to cover.
i don't believe you.. it is damned near impossible!.
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For those who say they read the Bible (cover to cover) how many of you believe what you read?
Terry I don't believe it at all now. As a JW, when I read the Bible from cover to cover as a young woman in my twenties, I thought it was full of sex and violence. Women being offered for gang rape, Lot's daughters I remember in particular and the woman who was gang raped and then chopped into little pieces and her parts sent to the twelve tribes of Israel. Was that the one where the men were then forcibly circumcised and then murdered when they were recovering? Or perhaps that was another story. Very bloody I thought.
I could never undersand why woman were treated the way they were by men in the Bible or even why the whole subjection and headship thing was right when I have always believed in my bones that men and women are equal. I thought Jehovah would explain it to me in the new system. Lol!
As for the New Testament, I vividly remember trying to get to grips with this person called Jesus through his words and actions but the strong impression I was always left with was that there is nobody there! Couldn't find him. That really confused me as a JW but all of this added more doubts to all the other doubts that were slowly mounting up.
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Come on! Tell it like it is. People are LYING when they tell you, "I've read the Bible."
by Terry ingo ahead.
tell me.. "i've read the bible cover to cover.
i don't believe you.. it is damned near impossible!.
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Yeah every word, a few verses a day. Took me five years. I've also read Plato, ten Shakespeare plays, rather a lot of history, computer programming books... Bored now.
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Should some people actually be Witnesses?
by Apognophos init seems to me like certain people actually benefit from joining the religion.
primarily i'm thinking of ones with drug problems who are only able to quit because they are working towards baptism.
another example would be those who are always getting in fights or who have a big ego, and who learn to be pacifistic and humble as a witness.
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I'm not convinced that the religion is bad for everybody. It seems to work well enough for many JWs. - Apog
I do wonder if some people will ever be able to leave the JWs. My brother seemed to really enjoy bethel and having bells ringing to tell him when to get up etc. It would drive me crazy living like that and I hate being told what to believe now but I agree some people are followers, advertisers know this.
At the last two family funerals one of my sisters said something about the colours of the flowers each time. Nothing else! I thought is that all you can say after all these years? She learnt Russian at school! Have their brains been atrophied with disuse?
I don't know if everyone could cope with leaving. 'Humankind cannot bear very much reality' - T S Eliot
And do you have any suggestions of equal effectiveness for someone with this kind of need?
Do I have any suggestions? This site is great for people who are thinking of leaving but I just think if the likes of my siblings ever find their way here we should be careful not to jump all over their probably continuing theism as they try to find their way through the craziness of human beliefs. Giving up the structure of a belief system and one as strict as JWs takes time.