Posts by Xanthippe

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JC recording

by Xanthippe in

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could anyone provide a link to the jc recording that was on here a few days ago please.

i intended to listen to it but didn't have time.

it was about a couple that really tried to reason with the elders but were treated very badly.

What struck me, apart from the sheer stupidity of these elders, is the continuous use of the phrase, do you think it's safe to look at other sources of information. What are they so frightened of? Is knowledge unsafe? Well I suppose it is if you're running a cult and you're terrified of people finding out.

I found it frustrating when she wanted to talk about Jackson's statement at the ARC that we should never presume to have the only source of truth but the stupid elders kept interrupting her. They obviously have heard about the ARC and have been instructed not to let people talk about it even though their own GB member spoke in it!

I'm glad they're free of this religion with their children. It's just a shame as a fourth generation JW she's going to lose so many family members.

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JC recording

by Xanthippe in

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friends

could anyone provide a link to the jc recording that was on here a few days ago please.

i intended to listen to it but didn't have time.

it was about a couple that really tried to reason with the elders but were treated very badly.

Xanthippe

Thank you Sylvia x

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JC recording

by Xanthippe in

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friends

could anyone provide a link to the jc recording that was on here a few days ago please.

i intended to listen to it but didn't have time.

it was about a couple that really tried to reason with the elders but were treated very badly.

Xanthippe

Could anyone provide a link to the JC recording that was on here a few days ago please. I intended to listen to it but didn't have time. It was about a couple that really tried to reason with the elders but were treated very badly. Everyone on here said what lovely people they were.

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How long has it been since you have seen your family?

by Christian Gutierrez in

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howdy guys!

so how long has it been since you have seen your jw family or friends?

or do you even care to have them in your life anymore?

Xanthippe

Saw my sister at my cousin's funeral last year but she didn't speak to me. When the meal afterwards was over and people were leaving I came back from the toilets and my daughter said she and her husband had been to speak to her and kiss her goodbye, while I wasn't there. Funny thing was she said they came one at a time. I wonder if the other one acted as lookout in case I came back 😏.

Saw my brother at my uncle's funeral about four years ago. Saw my other sister and nephews at my mothers's funeral fourteen years ago.

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If we are further away from perfection, why are we more moral?

by stuckinarut2 in

as we know, witnesses teach that adam and eve were perfect and then committed the first act of sin and rebellion.. they in turn were cursed,and we all declined as their offspring.

humans supposedly lived shorter and shorter lives, and became more imperfect and sinful.. the further away in time humans go then, they should be getting worse.

so why is it then that as a society, humans have actually improved in so many ways?.

Xanthippe

The world is a much safer, kinder, more moral and ethical place than it has been for thousands of years. We have human rights, animal rights, gay rights, women and children's rights.

The JWs don't see it like that at all. The world is a dark, wicked place to them full of disgusting sexual practices - people living with and loving who they want to love.

Greed, materialism and selfishness - people going to college, getting good jobs so they can live in a nice house, eat healthy food and travel around this lovely planet.

Ungodliness, puffed up with pride - people reading and studying whatever they want. Realising they don't need a religion to tell them how to be decent people, looking after their fellow humans. Thousands of charities and NGOs supported by millions of people who want to make the world a better place.

JWs just need to take of their dark glasses and see this lovely world that is full of good people trying to make a difference.

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Scientism - Nothing But a Childish Insult?

by cofty in

it is not uncommon for theists to accuse rational people on this forum of "scientism".. in my opinion it is nothing but a cheap shot from those who know they lack evidence for their beliefs.

if something like "scientism" actually does exist then i have never encountered it.. here is part of an exchange from another thread - i have brought it here as it was off-topic.... scientism = claim of scientific method being universal and the only valid method of knowledge.

followers of scientism always demand scientific evidence to anything.

Xanthippe

Certainly adopting rigorous methods as far as possible but recognising it's a different kind of knowledge.

Yes in the sense that we don't want to copy most of the experiments of history I would agree.

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Scientism - Nothing But a Childish Insult?

by cofty in

it is not uncommon for theists to accuse rational people on this forum of "scientism".. in my opinion it is nothing but a cheap shot from those who know they lack evidence for their beliefs.

if something like "scientism" actually does exist then i have never encountered it.. here is part of an exchange from another thread - i have brought it here as it was off-topic.... scientism = claim of scientific method being universal and the only valid method of knowledge.

followers of scientism always demand scientific evidence to anything.

Xanthippe

interested to know if you have actually read any contemporary academic work on history that categorises history as a "science". I would be surprised, but I could certainly have missed something!

My professors didn't use the word science to describe history but they did strongly suggest that historical evidence is now assessed as scientifically as possible. They examine the physical evidence, observe the changes events have wrought on a country and develop theories.

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Scientism - Nothing But a Childish Insult?

by cofty in

it is not uncommon for theists to accuse rational people on this forum of "scientism".. in my opinion it is nothing but a cheap shot from those who know they lack evidence for their beliefs.

if something like "scientism" actually does exist then i have never encountered it.. here is part of an exchange from another thread - i have brought it here as it was off-topic.... scientism = claim of scientific method being universal and the only valid method of knowledge.

followers of scientism always demand scientific evidence to anything.

Xanthippe

History only happens once. We cannot rerun history and change certain conditions to determine causes

Paleontology and archaeology are sciences.

In science for example a question such as "which substance conducts electricity better"'can be tested and solved.

Until a better conductor is discovered or invented. Super conductors for example.

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Scientism - Nothing But a Childish Insult?

by cofty in

it is not uncommon for theists to accuse rational people on this forum of "scientism".. in my opinion it is nothing but a cheap shot from those who know they lack evidence for their beliefs.

if something like "scientism" actually does exist then i have never encountered it.. here is part of an exchange from another thread - i have brought it here as it was off-topic.... scientism = claim of scientific method being universal and the only valid method of knowledge.

followers of scientism always demand scientific evidence to anything.

Xanthippe

I explained that there was in the clearest terms possible with examples (such as history)

Actually SBF history is examined using primary sources. A primary source is anything that is extant from the period whether it be an official document, a personal letter, household accounts, a building or even a painting. These are examined and a theory of what happened in that period is developed which does follow the scientific method.

Of course experimentation cannot be carried out to confirm the theory but as new evidence come to light, as new primary sources are found the theory is adjusted. Secondary sources also add adjustments. These are historical accounts written about the period and may have been created not long after the events.

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Disfellowshipped people are dead people?

by snugglebunny in

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skimming though my iphone earlier today i came across a fb post - which i now can't find!.

basically it was a claim that a gb member had stated that associating with a disfellowshipped person was akin to sleeping next to a corpse.. so obviously i'm curious as to whether anyone else has come across this..

Xanthippe

Good god I've not even heard of that horrible punishment let alone heard a 'true Christian' use it in a talk. Do they read books about medieval tortures to find allegories and metaphors for their talks. Revolting! What's wrong with these people!