Posts by Xanthippe

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Parents who try to make you feel guilty.

by NJ501 in

when parents say all the things we've done for you and your not doing anything for us in return like going to meetings, witnessing, answering up etc... how do you respond to parents?.

Xanthippe

That seems a strange reaction to me, surely it should be what are you doing for God? Seems it's all about what other people think about your parents and whether you are shaming your parents in their eyes or making them proud by being a JW drone.

I don't know what to tell you, it's painfull I know. A friend said to me its like you're the child that was thrown away in your family.

The thing is I didn't give birth to my daughter so that she could be a carbon copy of me and believe me she isn't! Children have to grow up and live their own lives.

You are not responsible for your parents' lack of self esteem. They should have built their sense of self based on their own achievements not relying on what you do with your life to impress their friends/the congregation. Too many parents make this mistake but it's their mistake and not yours. I know it's painful nevertheless, chin up.

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JW Stumper Questions - List You Best Here

by pale.emperor in

hi guys.

sooner or later we're going to get a jw knocking on our door.

just like when we were jw's doing the knocking, it's good to have a question prepared to get them thinking about their own beliefs.

Xanthippe

Deut 18:20-22

Failed prophecies are to be treated as not from God, the prophet ignored, if not put to death! Therefore this paradise within one generation of 1914 prophecy having failed was spoken by false prophets that don't represent God. I would then love them to launch into this overlapping generation rubbish. I would just stand back and enjoy the fun.

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JW's are S.O.B's

by James Mixon in

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i didn't say it, it was the president....

Xanthippe

What president? We don't have a president in my country. Why do people post on this board as if only Americans are listening? Open your eyes, there are other countries in the world. I despair of the US I really do.

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DPRK Asserts that USA has Declared War

by cofty in

north korea has taken president trump's recent statements as a declaration of war.

pyongyang reserves the right to shoot down american planes even if they are not inside their airspace.. i listened to trump's speech to the un with dismay.

it demonstrated a total lack of understanding of his enemy and the inevitable consequences of inflicting personal insults on kim jong-un.

Xanthippe

Trump has access to the best informed experts in the world on North Korea and yet he either ignores advisors or he has surrounded himself with "yes-men". - Cofty

Fearmongering about immigration has led to this stupid narcissist being given a hideous level of power. In the UK the same tactics were used to force the government to leave the single market. How did we develop so much xenophobia in the twenty-first century.

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Human Origins

by cofty in

fantastic graphic produced by the smithsonian institute illustrating human origins.

click on any of the group or species labels for more detailed information.. meet your ancestors here....

Xanthippe

Fascinating thanks for the link.

FTS thanks for your links too, great thread.

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New, but needed to vent- thank you :-)

by Danni Jackson in

i discovered your website this morning as i was trying to find some information about 'marking'.

you see a very close friend of mine was 'marked' earlier this week and as i know the ins and outs of the situation (as we are close friends) i disregarded the talk immediately as i know my friend is obviously having issues but is no way a 'danger' to anybody else's spiritual health.

basically they are dating a non-believer- hence the talk.

Xanthippe

Hi and welcome Danni.

the organisation have got me in a corner where I feel powerless to even think about leaving.. now that is some sort of special skill set that is. It in fact is absolutely genius in its manipulation.

You're right it is a fiendish skill set that all mind control cults use to imprison people. How to restart? You've only been baptised a year so probably have a few contacts left outside the religion. Relatives, work colleagues, neighbours. As a matter of urgency renew your friendships with them and make these your support system.

Get your kids involved in other stuff to distract them from their JW friends, days out, art and craft hobbies, sport, pets, whatever they're into. Try and get them more into other kids not in the religion, cousins, school friends, neighbour's kids. Invite them round for tea, sleepovers, have a kid's party.

Start planning your escape. Visit your doctor and get some advice about counselling. Use depression as an excuse to miss meetings because being away from the constant indoctrination will clear your head more than anything.

Keep posting, there are hundreds of brilliant people on here who will have many brilliant ideas to help you. Take care, it's all going to be alright.

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Protect Your Family??

by Tech49 in

here is an article in the current study copy of the wt.

tell me your thoughts and i will tell you mine.!

this is a topic that i am very sensitive about, as i could never see not protecting my family, even if that meant using whatever means at hand to do so!

Xanthippe

Bible principles. These advise against the use of carnal weapons, such as handguns, rifles, or other firearms, for protection against other humans."

Are we talking about the same book? The one that encouraged the pillaging of Canaanite towns, slaughtering every man, woman, child, babe in arms and domestic animal. They were protecting themselves alright, against these people who dared to trespass in their promised land. Slaughtered the lot of them.

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An honest question for those who were "born-in"

by stuckinarut2 in

just wanted to ask a question of those who were born in as i was.. how did you feel to have been "privileged to have been born into the only true faith - the truth"?.

did this make you feel confident, or proud - or perhaps arrogant?.

how did you reconcile the fact that 99% of the earth's population was not born "into the truth"?.

Xanthippe

Stuck it's quite hard to put myself back into the mindset but I think rather than confident I just felt odd. I say felt, 'rationally' at the time I though it was the truth but feelings often connect you to what's really happening don't they. Not going into assembly at school, sitting in a classroom on my own while they had the Christmas party. Yeah it just felt odd and didn't give me very good social skills.

Later I started pioneering and I just thought I was lucky enough to know the 'truth' and we had to try and spread the word because people's lives depended on it. Yeah sounds weird and pompous now. So probably I was weird and pompous. Sounds about right.

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some thing i said..?

by zeb in

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has anyone had this experience.

that once some contact is made with others here they never write again?

.

Xanthippe

Do you mean by pm Zeb? Yes I've had people message me just once. Also new ones sometimes post only one time or start one thread. I think possibly they panic, wonder what they've done. It's hard coping with leaving a cult, trying to get their heads round the fact that we're just normal, not demonised apostates.

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Make Your Excellent Point to a JW, But- Remember, it's a Mind Control Cult.

by OnTheWayOut in

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so i am reading from many that they have an excellent thought-stopper for jw's.

(remember reasoning from the scriptures used "thought-stoppers?

)"if you just show them [this scripture or use this logic or expose this problem with the organization], you will shut them down.".

Xanthippe

OTWO excellent thread! I often wonder how we're supposed to get these amazing points over to family when they won't even talk about their religion to us. When just the tiniest question will be seen as criticism and shut them down.

I like your point about the ransom couldn't be applied until after the flood. I think I've heard that somewhere, long ago. They've been supplied with an answer for everything, nonsensical though they sound to us.

Everyone's family is different of course and individuals usually know how far they can go with a religious discussion so if you think it's worth a try go ahead I would say.

Sparrowdown I like your post very much, just encouraging people to have a break is a good idea. As you say it's difficult if they think the pressure to do more comes from inside the person and not the Borg. Typical blaming the victim approach of course. I hope the compassion you showed her will make her think and take a break, they both sound close to burnout.