i'm sure the date january 2018 + 'message of judgement' has been kicking around the exjw's various forums for a while now, and the more i think about it, the more i get worried.
not for myself really, but for my mother especially.
i guess you could consider her to be pomi (physically out, mentally in) she's faded in the sense that she doesn't go to meetings, doesn't really live by many of the rules any longer, is in a relationship with a worldly man, etc etc etc, however, she still considers herself to be a witness, and will defend the org if need be.
Yes we've heard something about January 2018 on here. Also that the preaching work is winding down, only six public mags a year, new U.K. bethel having no printing facilities. I just think it's another way of hiding the fact they've had to pay out to court cases and are worried about more. Conserving funds, downsizing and those old men on the GB building themselves a fancy retirement home.
Are you worried your mother will try and get you involved again next year or that something bad is going to happen like Jonestown?
Randy was a light in a very dark place back in '89 when we left the cult. His newsletter in the post was a lifeline to my husband and me. I can't even remember how we found out about it. Pre-Internet it kept us going, knowing we weren't alone. Thanks Randy. 💖
i haven't been here for about 10 months and just looked over some topics to update myself, well i came back for a very particular reason... my family was, father, mother, sister and i... the split up (4 years ago), only my father remained jw, my sister left but lives with him, and i've been living by myselft over the last months sharing an apartment with my girlfriend (worldly) an his brother (worldly) (we are a "modern family" hahahaha).... so the relation with my father have been in many different phases the last 4 years, having in mind that he cheated my mom with her best friend (woman) within the congregation an married her just few months ago... so today it's my birthday and i called dad and told him that i had a great time anyway and that to be "even more pagan" i set up my christmas tree today.... he had never questioned me for dating and living with my current girfriend nor tried to "bring me back to the congregation", but he replied to me: "hey, talking about being a pagan, i'm not confortable with things now because i want us to como closer together again and do more things like having lunch or whathever and your are now df, can you talk to the elders and take back the letter you sent them da-ing so we can share more?".
i don't know what to do, i really mean what i wrote in my d.a.
letter, i needed to vent what i think of the borg now, i'm no way taking it back, those are like my luther's theses ... i can't believe my father divorced my mother on no biblical ground, continued dating her best jw friend, and 3 years later they got married and are a happy respectable "christian" couple... and now he suddendly is not confortable with me because i sent a letter to the elders telling them i no longer believed the same shit they do... my sister simply stopped attending meetings and dated worldly boys, celebrate xmas, birthdays and stuff, but with me is different just because i have a clearer idea of who i really am and i'm trying to live by that.. i thinks this whole thing is unfair, he is totally blackmailing me, it's been years to get to this friendly level with my father, and now he is adding this awful pressure.
I hope that my grand parents, uncles and cousins (all of 'em non-JW) help me to make him see clearly that he is FAR from being a model JW, and he's bashing me for not being one, and being HONEST....
You have many relatives as a support system, stick with them. Your dad cheated on your mother and he's a totally dishonest person regarding what he professes to believe. He wants you to join him in his dishonesty by taking back your DA letter. I don't think you can tolerate a person like this in your life.
I know it's hard, he's your father but it's not as if you are on your own. You also have your mother and sister I think? If he doesn't love you for who you are, well the decision is yours ......
individual animal not being stunned, killed what ever before it was hit with scalding water.
which results in an horrific death and the animal voiding its bodily waste in projectile and this contaminates the other chicken around it and then to get past that stink the chicken meat is then washed/ soaked.. in strong chlorinebleach.
This is one reason I eat very little meat, no red meat at all and only free-range poultry. There is such a lot of ill-treatment of animals when they're farmed and even when they're slaughtered even though we have modern humane methods available. Do you mean chickens are dropped alive into scalding water? I thought they were stunned then beheaded. Damn this world sometimes.
Pistoff I've often wanted to see that in print. I didn't dedicate myself to any organization but to God by being dunked pre-1985. So now I know the god of the Bible doesn't exist my dedication is null and void. Thanks, settles an argument I had with my brother.
Not certain they have paid anything yet as they were appealing, but WT's appeal now appears to have failed. The penalty since the order was issued is now accumulated to approx $2M.
Surely this is the case I asked about from an earlier thread and asked so have they been paying $4000 a day for two years? Several posters said no they've been appealing it this whole time and paid nothing, but apparently they've already paid $2,000,000.
i dont know if it's due to the last convention, the recent broadcasts, the internet or just plain fatigue - but since the convention i've had a few people contact me via facebook messenger asking how i am then cutting to the chase asking me what it's like "on the outside" or "how did you adjust after leaving?
" and asking me how they can leave the wt but keep their families.. my reply is always the same, i show real genuine interest and concern and listen to their situation.
then i suggest a fade, how to fade, to ignore or reject elders visits, to not talk about their doubts to active jws under any circumstances and finally point them to this site.
Thanks for helping people escape PE, you're doing a great job. It cheers me up to know so many people want to fade.
The "new light" has changed the contract as far as im concerned. Overlapping generation? I never signed up to that back in 2004 when I was dunked.
My brother who's been an elder for about thirty years brought this up to me when I left. He said what mattered to him was his dedication to Jehovah as if I had broken my contract by leaving. I agree with you, they've broken the contract by completely changing the wording of it.
I was promised a paradise earth within one generation of 1914. They reneged on the deal, not me. Also they're false prophets so according to Deuteronomy 18:20-22 they should be ignored.
god would not say: “you should not eat from the tree of good and bad, which would make you like me” because through jesus he said: ‘you must become like me by imitating the qualities of sun whose only concern is giving (of light and warmth) which means having no expectation of anything from anybody’ (mathew 5:44-48) .
this also means we should have no human teachers because we can have answer to any questions by ourselves, through inference.