I would say it depends. I know already from discussing this and knowing my parents that if they ever found out that I was an apostate my mother would still support me, whereas my father would first physically attack me, then throw me out of the house and tell me to never show my face again. Yes, he is an elder and thinks of himself as very spiritual. I honestly believe that my mother has doubts so this could also be the reason.
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22Shunning - Are Mothers Most Fanatical?
by Lostandfound inon many posts by those with experience of df or da shunning, it look to me that the most fanatical observers of the shunning practise are mothers, and when a person approached parents about their own doubts or intentions, approaching the mother the most daunting prospect .
odd that visiting warwick leaflet has a picture of a meeting of some sort with a room comprising men only, given the subordinate role given to women, one might think they would be more liberal over shunning close ones, but not so.. what drives this, is it grabbing an opportunity to be more visible by their loyalty, or low level of education of a lot of dubs so that the sisters blindly accept direction or authority.
i might have expected some kick back against the shunning practise by sisters giving evidence to their independence of thought.. our real thinkers here will be able to explain this fanaticism of loyalty better.
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February 26, 2017 TO ALL BODIES OF ELDERS Re: Witnessing in Public Places
by wifibandit infebruary 26, 2017 to all bodies of elders re: witnessing in public places.
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february 25, 2017 to all congregations re: magnetic boards and posters for public witnessing.
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I guess Russel was right. Religion is a snare and a racket! How brazen of them but I smell lawsuits coming. If someone gets injured because of the cart you know where this is going. Any sharks out there?
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Any atheists here? Have you come to terms with your new reality?
by kpop inalone, without my safety net of "god" being there to remember me when i die.
after much consideration, examining science, history and using logic, i have come to the conclusion that there is no "god" at least certainly no loving, personal "god.
" shortly before my final conclusion was reached, i read an excerpt from an expression attributed to marcus aurelius, .
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Punkof Nice, yes. Ignorance is bliss as they say! Once you take the red pill there is no going back.
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German Foreign Office Issues Travel Warning For Sweden Due To Terrorism Risk. It would be funny if it were not true.
by kpop inwho would have thought that one simple expression, "last night in sweden" would suddenly shine the light on the cockroaches?
who would have thought so many people would laugh at the president for saying such a thing!
german government warning march 1, 2017.
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It never ceases to amaze me how anyone can even attempt to justify this. "Oh this is just life. Yes we love to live with terrorism. I've been living here for 30 years and I'm still alive so everything is fine. Nothing to see here." Talk about suffering from cognitive dissonance. I guess being a JW for your whole life can cause permanent damage to the brain.
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Any atheists here? Have you come to terms with your new reality?
by kpop inalone, without my safety net of "god" being there to remember me when i die.
after much consideration, examining science, history and using logic, i have come to the conclusion that there is no "god" at least certainly no loving, personal "god.
" shortly before my final conclusion was reached, i read an excerpt from an expression attributed to marcus aurelius, .
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Freemind and Phiffy yes! There is peace from this conclusion!
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Warwick Tour Brochure
by konceptual99 inso we had this posted in the mega topic thread... wt: warwick world hq tour brochure.
the new world headquarters of jws, located at warwick, new york, will open for tours on monday, april 3, 2017.. in anticipation, a new eight-page glossy brochure about this facility has now been released:.
download pdf: https://download-a.akamaihd.net/files/media_cmsassets/70/fo_s-whq_e.pdf.
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Forgive me if this is not correct but am I the only one who finds it ironic that the JW .borg is made up of mostly minorities (20% white, 40% black and African, 10% Asian, 30% Latino) but is headed by a group of old white men? Jehovah has such a sense of humor!
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Judge sanctions WTS - $4k per day penalty for not producing sex abuse documents
by Simon injudge sanctions jehovah's witnesses.
imposes $4000-a-day penalty for not producing documents in sex-abuse case.
by dorian hargrove, june 24, 2016. a san diego superior court judge has ordered the church of jehovah's witnesses, also known as the watchtower bible and tract society of pennsylvania, to pay $4000 a day for every day that it fails to produce documents requested in a civil lawsuit brought by former parishioner, osbaldo padron, who claims a church elder sexually abused him when he was seven years old.. in a june 23 ruling, expected to be made final today, judge richard strauss admonished the church for willfully ignoring a court order to produce all documents associated with a 1997 body of elders letter that church leaders sent to parishes around the world in a quest to learn about sexual abuse of children by church leaders.. over the course of the past year, the watchtower society and its lawyers have fought hard to keep the letter confidential, claiming that turning over the documents would infringe on the privacy of those mentioned in the letter that were not associated with the case.. in march 2015, the church turned over a heavily redacted version of the letter.
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I heard the WT hired one of the most expensive law firms in the UK to "fix" their legal problems and then once they got it where they wanted they let them go. Can anyone confirm this?
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German Foreign Office Issues Travel Warning For Sweden Due To Terrorism Risk. It would be funny if it were not true.
by kpop inwho would have thought that one simple expression, "last night in sweden" would suddenly shine the light on the cockroaches?
who would have thought so many people would laugh at the president for saying such a thing!
german government warning march 1, 2017.
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Who would have thought that one simple expression, "last night in Sweden" would suddenly shine the light on the cockroaches? Who would have thought so many people would laugh at the President for saying such a thing! He doesn't know anything! Or does he?
German Government Warning March 1, 2017
"Since the beginning of March 2016, Sweden has been experiencing an increased level of terrorist warning. Travelers in Stockholm are asked to be prudent in the city as well as in public transport, to avoid larger crowds..."
https://www.auswaertiges-amt.de/DE/Laenderinformationen/00-SiHi/SchwedenSicherheit.html
http://breaking911.com/german-foreign-office-issues-travel-warning-sweden-due-terrorism-risk/
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Any atheists here? Have you come to terms with your new reality?
by kpop inalone, without my safety net of "god" being there to remember me when i die.
after much consideration, examining science, history and using logic, i have come to the conclusion that there is no "god" at least certainly no loving, personal "god.
" shortly before my final conclusion was reached, i read an excerpt from an expression attributed to marcus aurelius, .
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I see it seems a varied system of belief but all here no longer believe in a personal God. That's a start to true enlightenment in my opinion.
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Any atheists here? Have you come to terms with your new reality?
by kpop inalone, without my safety net of "god" being there to remember me when i die.
after much consideration, examining science, history and using logic, i have come to the conclusion that there is no "god" at least certainly no loving, personal "god.
" shortly before my final conclusion was reached, i read an excerpt from an expression attributed to marcus aurelius, .
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Here I am. Alone, without my safety net of "God" being there to remember me when I die. After much consideration, examining science, history and using logic, I have come to the conclusion that there is no "God" at least certainly no loving, personal "God." Shortly before my final conclusion was reached, I read an excerpt from an expression attributed to Marcus Aurelius,
"Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones.”
I know there is debate if he really said this or not, but the point is still valid and I believe the only way to live life. If you die and there happens to be a God, a loving God, then he should forgive you because you made an error. If you die and there happens to be a God, a loving God and he doesn't forgive you then he's not a loving God and doesn't deserve worship. Tell him to go to hell. If there is no God, well, you're dead anyways and it doesn't matter because you don't know you're dead. You're just dead. The only thing that might bother you while still living would be knowing you would leave loved ones behind and they will suffer for a while without you until their own death comes. Thus the cycle of life.
I'm content, and happy with my prospect. I feel complete actually. No more absurd religious beliefs and contradictions. No more debate. Just a simple answer to our end. It brings inner peace. I understand that not everyone has the mental and "spiritual" fortitude or intelligence to accept this conclusion. I understand that this conclusion can cause one to go insane and perhaps, religion is a necessary evil in this world for the lower intelligence humans. It gives them their inner peace. That's fine too. Whatever gets you through this life. What are your thoughts?