I do agree. It's inappropriate for him to remain in the public pretending to be Christopher Hitchens. He does need to fade away. Sticking around only to shut people up and speak over them is not a good look.
"any reasonable person will conclude that he isn't that bad"
I think what you are referring to is the legal system would not punish him to the same degree as the criminals I mentioned, and I agree. Legally, though prostitution is a crime in both Croatia and Thailand, it does not rise to that level of bad. But he is a bad man for wanting to enslave women. Unregulated prostitution is sex slavery. (Regulated prostitution means, for instance like in the porn industry in the U.S. they have to take STD tests). It's a woman's issue, in a way. We abolished slavery for African Americans. Slavery for women needs to be abolished too. The Bible promotes both forms of slavery, though.
I have my own experience with rape, prostitution and child abuse (prostitutes get pregnant after all, children get neglected and abused- not saying my mom was a prostitute or anything...), but this is not the place for it. Surviving such an experience has a spectrum ranging all the way from maybe a date rape to someone who survives a rapist who intended to kill her/him but the victim escaped. By referring to Dahmer and the others I am only pointing out these men WANTED sex slaves. That's the only point I am trying to make about including those men. Sometimes high profile cases just make the issue more visible. I keep editing this and spending too much time on it when it is just an illustration of the desire for slaves. Okay okay you don't like my word art, I understand now.
But, speaking only for myself as a CSA survivor, I personally do not make much distinction between the bad men that you do, Simon. Monsters are monsters. BUT because of the law, I must. In other words, if my abuser got a year sentence instead of 10, I only accept it because I must, even though in my opinion he should be imprisoned for life just as I have been enslaved/imprisoned mentally to the issue my entire life. I've had to think about it my whole life, while he goes over my head and prostitutes along his merry way (actually he's dead now). Hope that makes sense.
ETA: Forgot to mention, no doubt his in-laws made sacrifices to keep their daughter safe in their home with this creep. Dijana's mother cried when she found out he was taking a trip to Thailand alone. Maybe they ran up their credit cards while he was broke, for instance, and they are now enslaved to their debt. It really doesn't have to be this way, and shouldn't be this way...except Lloyd thinks this is all okay. Only he thinks this is okay. Everyone else in the family is burdened with the daily tasks of life and maintaining the home while Lloyd goes...erm...scuba diving.
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Lloyd Evans, Philandering & Sex Slaves
by Marbles inthe argument made by le supporters that his philandering is "between him and his wife" is a fallacy.
philandering is a real social problem that affects many families (including mine).
it's pretty apparent now that le has been using his wife and his in-laws to boost his writing career, and now that he has achieved his goals, he will discard them.
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Lloyd Evans, Philandering & Sex Slaves
by Marbles inthe argument made by le supporters that his philandering is "between him and his wife" is a fallacy.
philandering is a real social problem that affects many families (including mine).
it's pretty apparent now that le has been using his wife and his in-laws to boost his writing career, and now that he has achieved his goals, he will discard them.
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Okay. Noted for future posts. I'll try to keep true crime out of it on your page, and "unbalanced hate." I agree, he says he is "not a super villain" so he would have a field day with any comment that suggests he is. He's definitely not the super hero he might like his viewers to believe he is though, either.
Claiming he has "not clubbed seal cubs to death or run over cats [which pervs often do]" is an example of going over the top, Icarus like (Greek myth of a guy who flies too close to the sun and his wings, made of wax, melt) in an effort to keep his viewers believing he is a relatively innocent man, compared to other men who do club baby seal cubs to death. He's obscene, which is also over the top.
"Apparently you all need to know (giggles), what I do with my di(K," and other comments like that, on a public forum, constitute obscenity, I'm pretty sure. Here's another obscene comment he made on You Tube:
"I think there will always be a small minority who concern themselves with what I do with my di(k."
In the U.S., public obscenity is actually not protected free speech and his You Tube video probably could have been reported for that. But he has taken the confession video off his page and buried it in the community section, so it isn't going out to the public now.
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Watchtower says you can be Disfellowshiped for being Fat!
by Witness 007 inwatchtower 1974 p.167 "by disobediently over indulging in food and making a glutton of himself he shows no love for jehovah..in the presents of others does he ignore their needs and selfishly take more then his fair share?
is he grossly overweight gorging himself?
does he feel uncomfortable even getting sick...this person has no place in the congregation of god...they will not inherit gods kingdom.".
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Some medications contribute to weight gain, and that issue is none of their business. Gawd.
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Hi. I'm Marbles from Northern California. I was never a JW only a Bible Student. I'm very glad I never got truly immersed in that group because now I can see how harmful they are! The shunning must be so painful for people who were born in, then get kicked out, and face a world they don't know all alone! But as for me, I could never follow all those rules. It would make me feel like I was sacrificing fundamental liberty (for whatever it's worth, I'm a Libra???).
The JDubs are guilty of many things, but one that comes to mind that seems significant for you, who are now on your way to becoming a secular person, our Constitution guarantees people the right to freedom of religion and Jehovah's Witnesses do not. So as a secular person, they are violating our Constitution and they should have their tax exempt status removed. -
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Lloyd Evans, Philandering & Sex Slaves
by Marbles inthe argument made by le supporters that his philandering is "between him and his wife" is a fallacy.
philandering is a real social problem that affects many families (including mine).
it's pretty apparent now that le has been using his wife and his in-laws to boost his writing career, and now that he has achieved his goals, he will discard them.
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Oh, well I am a true crime "fan," not a plant. (Not sure which kind of plant you mean- a house plant or a plant by LE or the WT). I have read true crime for decades (Ann Rule, for example) and I get free ID Discovery included in my rent!
So sure, for a non-true-crime "fan" I guess can see how that would seem like an exaggeration, but for me, no. And the reason is this- when the issue rarely to never gets addressed or resolved, it leads to the extreme situations I mentioned. But I tried to include our high profile garden variety philanderers also (McAfee, Epstein, Cosby could have been included, even MLK Jr. I suppose).
Obviously, this is a hard issue. We all want liberty and justice, but we want it to be good and righteous liberty and justice, free from corruption if that is possible. Women who are victims of CSA might help us move in that direction because our struggle is to be free people after escaping this pollution.
Maybe I can perfect my argument as the situation progresses. For now, as I have said in a comment before, LE has gone over the top, so it seems like I have to, also, to balance things out.
"Because what he's done is nowhere near them on the grand scale of things..."
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Awakes says playing Chess is evil not for Witnesses!
by Witness 007 inawake 73 3/23 p.12 "the spirit of compatition between players can lead to unpleasant circumstances...in some homes tensions linger longer then checkmate.
chess is a game of war a play substitute for the art of war...danger of stirring up compatiton and hostility to one another something the bible warns christians to avoid.
what effect does playing chess have on you is it wholesome?
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The only thing that comes to mind is that great song by Murray Head, "One Night in Bangkok."
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Lloyd Evans, Philandering & Sex Slaves
by Marbles inthe argument made by le supporters that his philandering is "between him and his wife" is a fallacy.
philandering is a real social problem that affects many families (including mine).
it's pretty apparent now that le has been using his wife and his in-laws to boost his writing career, and now that he has achieved his goals, he will discard them.
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The argument made by LE supporters that his philandering is "between him and his wife" is a fallacy. Philandering is a real social problem that affects many families (including mine). It's pretty apparent now that LE has been using his wife and his in-laws to boost his writing career, and now that he has achieved his goals, he will discard them. He has used Amazon to publish, and his You Tube channel to market his book, for those who don't know how this business model works. Reddit seems "in" on it because they silence any criticism of him lest it impact his profits. Yet LE freely criticizes the "anonymous" commenters who criticize him because, in his words, "they have no skin in the game." LE stated that his trip to Thailand was to "see if he could live without his family." It looks to me like he is pushing for a divorce. It doesn't look like his wife and in-laws have been pushing for a divorce or they would have kicked him to the curb a long time ago like he deserved. Instead, they have allowed him to live with them even though it is against Watchtower rules. I can't believe people will support a scammer like this, least of all financially!
Furthermore, sex slavery is also a real social problem. Jeffrey Dahmer injected hydrochloric acid into the skull of his victims because he was trying to create zombies who would be his sex slaves. Ariel Castro kidnapped young women and held them hostage as sex slaves in his house, then committed suicide in prison when he got caught. We all know about Jeffrey Epstein. John McAfee (McAfee anti-virus software) married an African American prostitute, which, to my eyes, was his clever attempt to "legalize sex slavery." He also committed suicide (recently). Todd Kohlhepp murdered the boyfriend of a woman who came onto his property to do some clean-up work and chained the woman up inside a storage shed to be his sex slave. And there have been more, many more! Yeah, I'm sure all the criticism isn't good for LE's mental health, that's why many of these guys commit suicide when they are caught. But obviously, they had no regard for the mental health of their victims, and also their families!
You would think that exposing what are clearly lies of the Bible, and the WT Society, we would find real truth and liberation. But no. Instead, we only find a man who wants absolute sexual freedom without any sense of duty or care for his wife, children and in-laws. He has tapped into an unlimited source of income, since there will always be people coming out of the WT Society. Yes, he has found his gold mine now, and his family is worthless by comparison. So yes, Lloyd, it looks like you can in fact live without your family. Bravo!
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened inoriginal reddit post (removed).
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Lloyd Evans has gone over the top and is sitting on everyone's head. At this point, he is like Humpty Dumpty. He's gonna fall. Or he already has, and no one can help him.
Not that it is important, but I went to Javier's FB page and viewed some of the videos. One of them included LE interviewing either CSA victims/survivors or their parents. LE was sitting on a couch wearing white socks (no shoes), like some kind of eccentric idiot, while all this expensive camera equipment surrounded the people he was interviewing.
He has ruined any future career he might have by using You Tube to promote his book. There are a few YT video creators who create content like "How Lloyd Evans Ruined His You Tube Career."
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Why do you call yourselves "apostates?"
by Marbles inwell let me clarify the question.
i know you call yourselves apostates because the bible defines people who leave their previously held beliefs as apostates.
my question means, if the bible is not true (and i don't think it is) then there is no such thing as an apostate.i have never been a jw, only a bible student with them.
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Lots of great answers! It wouldn't be fair of me to say which one is my favorite (I want to), but...if you want me to say which one is my favorite in a couple days, either like or dislike this post and I will make a decision based on the likes or dislikes.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened inoriginal reddit post (removed).
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I forgot to say, he could have (and probably should have) been reported to You Tube for that comment "there will always be a small minority who are concerned with what I do with my di(k." This guy is truly pushing it. He is at the level of "Roosh" that sex tourist guy who gave advice to incels about how to pick up chicks, and who got banned from Amazon for publishing sex tourism books.