i was brainwashed to believe you generally shouldn't relax much.. demons can enter you if you meditate or even relax your brain too much for one second.
always be on guard.. scriptures criticizing laziness were repeated often.
https://www.openbible.info/topics/laziness "be kind to yourself" and all that.. you need to strenuously exert yourself for jehoopla and you're worthless if you don't.. most forms of fun were extinguished.
So glad you brought this up rebel8. I can fully relate. I've struggled with this as a born in and still am as I'm fading. (Eight months now, yay!) Meditation has helped me immensely, epecially at first. What you said schnell mirrors my own experience.
The GB tries to make just about everything have some tie to the demons! I'm surprised we were allowed to brush our teeth. Surely they could have fabricated a connection somehow. 🙌
we always say free choice, the freedom to choose well the ability to choose is freedom and we claim freedom ourselves to the attention that we become aware of our decisions.
well today this year i choose to never step foot in a kh again unless someone died or i have an axe and some gasoline!
who's got a lighter for me?.
I try to remember that the vast majority of those in attendance have no clue what is going on, and that they are being led by the WTS mind control tactics. I certainly was. 😔
I completely understand your frustration though.
it probably will never happen but... imagine the gb recieved some new light that told them the great tribulation was imminent.
the world is going to hell and all jws can expect until armageddon is terrible persecution the likes of which no christian has ever experienced in two thousand years.
but jehovah has a solution: put yourself and your family 'to sleep' and after armageddon's over, jehovah will 'wake his people up' at the resurrection.
That is a morbid thought, and still scares me to think about. Here's why. It's a strange coincidence but it's quite similar to something that went through my mind earlier this year, several times actually. It was shortly before my fade, my heart is pounding a little now, but I have to say it. I'm pretty embarrassed, but it will help me, and perhaps someone unfamiliar with the organization will read this entire thread and realize how dangerous the mind control the WTS employs could potentially be. I DON'T think they would actually do such a thing, but this is how I was thinking. Like I said, I had been "waking up" as the saying goes for several months. One afternoon following the Sunday meeting I must have subconsciously realized something really wrong was going on at the meetings. I pictured the whole thing just the way it was described in the opening post, I imagined they said those very things, the speaker saying new light, etc. Then brothers handing out pills going row by row like they do at the Memorial. My next thought was, "Would I take them if this actually happened?" I pushed it out of my mind, but it came back as the weeks went by. I can tell you it was terrifying to think about something that weird. I had been telling my non-jw adult daughter for several months previously how wrong so many different things seemed. One day after venting again about it, she looked at me, paused then said "Mom, it's a cult." Just like that. I started shaking my head and saying quietly, "no, no, they say.." I was about to repeat verbatim what the Reasoning book had said under that section on how to reply at the door when a householder brings up a question. I realized at that moment a cult is of course going to say it isn't a cult! I felt so humiliated inwardly, and then she said pedophilia was going on, and that was it for me. I went to the library, borrowed some books about cults, then dared to look on the internet for info about JWs. Fortunately, I found JWFACTS right away. I then went to a few more meetings just for appearances, etc. (I previously posted a couple months ago on details, but that's irrelevant here.) After I was out completely, I told my daughter about my imaginary story and said that I really wonder if I would have taken the pills or not. She said, "You would have Mom, you would have." So there it is, I'm really embarrassed, I thought about posting about this a couple months ago, but I decided it was such a far fetched stupid thing for me to think in the first place. I guess maybe it wasn't so far fetched after all. I hope no one here will make fun of me for saying what happened, but I guess I would deserve it. Nevertheless, I think there is strong mind control going on by the leaders, and it's criminal how many lives they have/are ruining.
an easy way to stump the delusional jws at your door is come to the door with sunglasses on holding a sign with the words in the above title, and not say a word.
the reaction will be priceless.... hopefully it will wake up those that still have some use of their thinking abilities..
Rebel8, That's hilarious!
It's exactly the kind of "experience" they use to make everyone else feel guilty for not doing more, and more, ad infinitum. 😕
amazing grace have been around since 1779, how great thou art 1885,holy holy holy 1826, be thou my vision (ireland) 6th century, all creatures of god and king (italy)1225. so you think one day we will hear a kingdumb song playing over the radio.
you would think surely jehovah want the world to be familiar with his hymns.... maybe they have instructed the rf to only sing their songs in the kh, only for special folks..
Wow, this topic has revived from my memory these lyrics. I don't remember the title, possibly..
"Forward you Witnesses."
"Please stand and open your songbooks to song number, such and such..
"Firm and determined in this time of the end, Prepared are God's servants this good news to defend! Though Satan against them has vaunted! In God's ways they keep on undaunted. So forward you Witnesses, ever strong of heart, rejoice that in God's world you soon will have a part! Go tell far and wide his new order is near, they 'er long his rich blessings will be here!"
As a child I always wondered what vaunted meant. Their songs were another great indoctrination tactic, "God's new order will soon be here." Ha ha. That was decades ago, until recently I still half believed it. On the other hand, part of my mind was considereding that the overlapping generation stuff was a ploy. Cognitive dissonance? Oh well, I'm here now. As the saying goes, "You can fool some of the people some of the time, but you can't fool all of the people all of the time."
amazing grace have been around since 1779, how great thou art 1885,holy holy holy 1826, be thou my vision (ireland) 6th century, all creatures of god and king (italy)1225. so you think one day we will hear a kingdumb song playing over the radio.
you would think surely jehovah want the world to be familiar with his hymns.... maybe they have instructed the rf to only sing their songs in the kh, only for special folks..
Sparky1,
Thank you, That's the one! I didn't know if maybe I confused it with all those little booklets they used to publish. There was even a column for them on the field service report slips. Do you remember those? I think we studied them at some of the book study groups. Thanks for the memory. 😊
amazing grace have been around since 1779, how great thou art 1885,holy holy holy 1826, be thou my vision (ireland) 6th century, all creatures of god and king (italy)1225. so you think one day we will hear a kingdumb song playing over the radio.
you would think surely jehovah want the world to be familiar with his hymns.... maybe they have instructed the rf to only sing their songs in the kh, only for special folks..
Tepidpoultry, I'm pretty ancient, so working from my rusty memory, I seem to remember a songbook perhaps before the Singing and Accompanying...one. I was a very little girl and I think there was a somewhat tattered olive green and beige paperback maybe? It was before that neon fushia colored one that clashed with the emerald green NWT.
The cult always finds a way to make the members look silly. Even as a kid I was really embarrassed to be walking around carrying that fashion disaster three times a week!
hi guys.. "brother" jose is quite possibly the most sinister speaker i've ever seen or heard.
and i've seen/head a lot of cults in my time.. he's over the top with his voice tone and gestures.
i see a future governing body member in the making here:.
Does anyone know when that talk by Ciro A. was given? I think I heard it, but I can't remember when or where?
had our midweek meeting last night.
they had a resolution to send an extra (i wanna say $1100 but i only remember it was at least $1000) per month to forward the kingdom preaching work etc.. you know how they work in the kh...no one votes against anything.
i abstained as i almost have always done.
Another sad thing, some older Witnesses will remember this illustration while shopping, and really not buy enough to eat a healthy diet. Like said above, how do they get away with publishing this sort of thing? It's right there on the internet for the whole world to see, must be only the dazed JW's are actually reading it. Heartbreaking.
it seems that many times in life there is a moment or an action that changes your whole world.
it could be just a look that someone gives you.. many times it can be something rather small.
something hardly noticeable by anyone but you.
My doubts about the WTS over the years started coming together, I was scared and confused of what was going on in my mind. I had been talking with my daughter about it for several weeks. when one day in the middle of the conversation she stopped me, and quietly said "Mom, it's a cult."
That was the defining moment.
