Posts by Steel

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The book of Jeremiah

by truthwillsetyoufree in

it occurred to me the other day that i don't actually know all that much about the bible.

dont get me wrong, i was a very dedicated and studious jehovah's witness and i studied the bible every day - or so i thought.

i have now realised that during the time i spent in that religion i didn't study the bible - i studied jehovah's witness theology.

Once you understand the plurality of god in the old testament and then read the New Testament, everything you learn as a JW goes out the window. The statement “ Jesus and Jehovah “ just makes my skin crawl.

I also later learned how much of the theology is really just twisting parables and nutty connections to the book of revelations yet the average JW couldn't explain the book of Romans or even pass an entry level University introduction to Christian theology class.

It later starts to piss you off when you find out the WTS just basically takes the old testament and the law of Moses and replaces it with the law of the elders. There really is no difference between the old and new testament to a JW.

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Dave Meyers, JW Elder/Former NBA Player died

by Iamallcool in

jw
friends

he died last year, did anyone here already know about his death?

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/dave_meyers_(basketball).

Steel

We have a doctor in our hall. He is a born in and originally from the third world so I do cut him some slack. He is a really nice guy.

His kids are in organized sports. No one bats an eye about it.

The funny part is they are black and already head over shoulders better than the white kids. What happens when they really get older and find out they are generally quicker, faster and stronger than the majority of kids in their school. Are they really going to want to quit ?

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Dave Meyers, JW Elder/Former NBA Player died

by Iamallcool in

jw
friends

he died last year, did anyone here already know about his death?

.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/dave_meyers_(basketball).

Steel

Its says in his retirement , he went back to school and finished his degree . He also coached youth basketball.

Man that must have been one liberal hall or maybe he just didn’t care. Or he was a superstar in the hall so they just looked the other way.

Mind you this is Wikipedia. Who knows what is true.

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In memory of a lost doctrine - the vindication of Jehovah's name

by slimboyfat in

i start this thread in response to a comment by a jw apologist called simonsays on another thread.

he claimed to have read all three volumes of vindication by rutherford (my sympathy if true).

he further implied that it didn't matter that old jw literature said wrong and stupid things, saying:.

Steel

I saw this speaker talk one time about “Using the name of god “.

He went into some old testament examples , one being an angel that someone was supposed to obey because “ his name was in him “ or his name rested there or sometimes god is just referred to as the name.

When Jesus said “ he made his name known to man “ it is more about the power of attributes of god, than the actual vowels and consonants.

I could post a youtube link if anyone is interested.

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"Spiritual Israel" created in 1919 - not in 33C.E.

by The Searcher in

thanks to the "inspired expressions" of the fds/gb of jehovah's witnesses, not only are 99% of j.w.

's excluded from the new covenant, but apparently none of the first century christians are part of the "israel of god" - aka "spiritual israel.".

w14 11/15 p. 26 par.

Steel

Man

That one really bugged me over time. You would think if gods final plan for humanity was to give us seven magical wizards, the bible would have been quite clear about the subject. You would think there would be hundreds of prophecies in the Old Testament about the magnificent faithful slave.

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The End of False Religion Is Near! HAHAHA

by tootired2care in

memories!

i remember a few years back being involved in the campaign work, and having the distinctly awkward experience of having to hand the householders this piece of sh1t tract "the end of false religion is near!"..

i recall the discomfort i had trying to get into a conversation about this nonsense.

Steel

JWs are literally the Sheldon Coopers of religion. Come to your door, day something incredibly rude and are shocked you offended by it.

I swear, I wonder how many are in the religion for the troll factor alone. I know a few who are majors assholes and it gives them the perfect venue to be the worthless pricks they are.

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"Spiritual Israel" created in 1919 - not in 33C.E.

by The Searcher in

thanks to the "inspired expressions" of the fds/gb of jehovah's witnesses, not only are 99% of j.w.

's excluded from the new covenant, but apparently none of the first century christians are part of the "israel of god" - aka "spiritual israel.".

w14 11/15 p. 26 par.

Steel

I got into an argument with a Christian once about what “ spiritual Israel “ was and he explained to me that “ the Israel of God “ was most likely Jewish believers to believe Jesus was the promised messiah of the old testament as opposed to gentile believers.

After an exhaustive study of the subject, I have yet to come across anything to prove him wrong.

I also discovered you would literally have to be retarded to believe what the WTS taught on the subject.

“ There is a whole race of super Christians anointed in 1919 that were later replaced by an even superduberer body of men in 2014. “ That what Paul was talking about them addressing the church in Galatia.

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The New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures argues for more than one GOD

by smiddy in

gen.1:26 "and god went on to say "let us make man in our image according to our likeness.....etc,etc,.. the key words here are "us" and " our" ,he is including other life forms just like him in using plurals.. he did not say " i" will make man in "my" image ,using the singular vernacular.

the same is also noted in gen 3:22 "and jehovah god went on to say " here the man has become like one of " us".

again he is using the plural and not the singlar language clearly showing their were other life forms on an equal footing to him.. also satan via the serpent also knew the difference between good and bad before he tempted eve , showing he was on a par with jehovah god in knowing that fact along with the other gods in heaven.. another scripture that comes to mind is 1 cor.8:5 "........just as their are many gods and many lords,,,".

Steel

The majority of us are here because we have family still trapped in the cult. The best we can do is have a proper knowledge of the scriptures or at least know what was the intent of the authors was. More of a B.A or Masters of theological studies type of knowledge from a secular University, than an actual bible school.

The idea of pretending you are Neil Degrasse Tyson and just mocking the bible or their beliefs doesn’t really accomplish much. The Trojan horse approach is what I prefer.

Plus heck, I just enjoy learning about theology.

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My strongest reason not to take anything especially in the new testament serious is found in JW grey bible

by Consciousguy in

guys i need a rebuttal in this.

cos this is what i plan to tell the elders when they come to me which i find inevitable.

due to general concession and confirmation from jw bible on page 1736. all the available christian greek scriptures manuscript today doesn't contain yhwh.

Steel

I have always the best way to show JWs how crappy the NWT is the shear dishonestly in some of the cross references . You don’t need to be a Greek or Hebrew expert to see how utterly bad some of it is.

Unfortunately I am at work right now or I would list some. Also unfortunately 95% of JW don’t even read the bible or even care.

I have also found out in my research about Jehovah in the New Testament the real controversy is some of the placements of “ Lord “ and “ Jesus “. Of the 5000 full or almost full copies of the New Testament , there are actually copies where one says lord and one says Jesus . It’s not even a matter if it was removed them the bible.

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Can an atheist date jw?

by concernCitizen in

hey everyone!.

first of all, i'm not a jw, in fact i'm an atheist, or if you really want to be technical about it i'm probably something like an agnostic atheist or something.. but, my girlfriend is a jw, she seems very rational about it though, it seems to me that she believes in a lot of it but not exactly all, for instance she does understands and believes in the scientific age of the earth and evolution.. when we started dating almost a year ago she made it clear she as religious person.

i never saw that as a problem, it's not like i'm trying to convert her or she's trying to convert me.

Steel

The elders are much more concerned about you being a self-professing Christians more than a self-professing atheist, as long you are not an annoying crossfitter/vegan/Bernie Sanders supporting/ all preachy about it type of Atheist. The entire premise of the WTS is about hating Christians so if you don’t believe or don’t care, no need to really worry.
Her spirituality is a complete fraud. The entire religion is centered around the idea that don’t have a relationship with god but though your works and obedience to seven men in New York , you will be saved ( sound like a cult yet ).