it occurred to me the other day that i don't actually know all that much about the bible.
dont get me wrong, i was a very dedicated and studious jehovah's witness and i studied the bible every day - or so i thought.
i have now realised that during the time i spent in that religion i didn't study the bible - i studied jehovah's witness theology.
It funny now , I person can look at pretty any JW article.
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-connection to book of revelations
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-verse only in NWT
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-verse taken out of context.
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it occurred to me the other day that i don't actually know all that much about the bible.
dont get me wrong, i was a very dedicated and studious jehovah's witness and i studied the bible every day - or so i thought.
i have now realised that during the time i spent in that religion i didn't study the bible - i studied jehovah's witness theology.
Once you understand the plurality of god in the old testament and then read the New Testament, everything you learn as a JW goes out the window. The statement “ Jesus and Jehovah “ just makes my skin crawl.
I also later learned how much of the theology is really just twisting parables and nutty connections to the book of revelations yet the average JW couldn't explain the book of Romans or even pass an entry level University introduction to Christian theology class.
It later starts to piss you off when you find out the WTS just basically takes the old testament and the law of Moses and replaces it with the law of the elders. There really is no difference between the old and new testament to a JW.
he died last year, did anyone here already know about his death?
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/dave_meyers_(basketball).
We have a doctor in our hall. He is a born in and originally from the third world so I do cut him some slack. He is a really nice guy.
His kids are in organized sports. No one bats an eye about it.
The funny part is they are black and already head over shoulders better than the white kids. What happens when they really get older and find out they are generally quicker, faster and stronger than the majority of kids in their school. Are they really going to want to quit ?
he died last year, did anyone here already know about his death?
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/dave_meyers_(basketball).
Its says in his retirement , he went back to school and finished his degree . He also coached youth basketball.
Man that must have been one liberal hall or maybe he just didn’t care. Or he was a superstar in the hall so they just looked the other way.
Mind you this is Wikipedia. Who knows what is true.
i start this thread in response to a comment by a jw apologist called simonsays on another thread.
he claimed to have read all three volumes of vindication by rutherford (my sympathy if true).
he further implied that it didn't matter that old jw literature said wrong and stupid things, saying:.
I saw this speaker talk one time about “Using the name of god “.
He went into some old testament examples , one being an angel that someone was supposed to obey because “ his name was in him “ or his name rested there or sometimes god is just referred to as the name.
When Jesus said “ he made his name known to man “ it is more about the power of attributes of god, than the actual vowels and consonants.
I could post a youtube link if anyone is interested.
thanks to the "inspired expressions" of the fds/gb of jehovah's witnesses, not only are 99% of j.w.
's excluded from the new covenant, but apparently none of the first century christians are part of the "israel of god" - aka "spiritual israel.".
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That one really bugged me over time. You would think if gods final plan for humanity was to give us seven magical wizards, the bible would have been quite clear about the subject. You would think there would be hundreds of prophecies in the Old Testament about the magnificent faithful slave.
memories!
i remember a few years back being involved in the campaign work, and having the distinctly awkward experience of having to hand the householders this piece of sh1t tract "the end of false religion is near!"..
i recall the discomfort i had trying to get into a conversation about this nonsense.
JWs are literally the Sheldon Coopers of religion. Come to your door, day something incredibly rude and are shocked you offended by it.
I swear, I wonder how many are in the religion for the troll factor alone. I know a few who are majors assholes and it gives them the perfect venue to be the worthless pricks they are.
thanks to the "inspired expressions" of the fds/gb of jehovah's witnesses, not only are 99% of j.w.
's excluded from the new covenant, but apparently none of the first century christians are part of the "israel of god" - aka "spiritual israel.".
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I got into an argument with a Christian once about what “ spiritual Israel “ was and he explained to me that “ the Israel of God “ was most likely Jewish believers to believe Jesus was the promised messiah of the old testament as opposed to gentile believers.
After an exhaustive study of the subject, I have yet to come across anything to prove him wrong.
I also discovered you would literally have to be retarded to believe what the WTS taught on the subject.
“ There is a whole race of super Christians anointed in 1919 that were later replaced by an even superduberer body of men in 2014. “ That what Paul was talking about them addressing the church in Galatia.
gen.1:26 "and god went on to say "let us make man in our image according to our likeness.....etc,etc,.. the key words here are "us" and " our" ,he is including other life forms just like him in using plurals.. he did not say " i" will make man in "my" image ,using the singular vernacular.
the same is also noted in gen 3:22 "and jehovah god went on to say " here the man has become like one of " us".
again he is using the plural and not the singlar language clearly showing their were other life forms on an equal footing to him.. also satan via the serpent also knew the difference between good and bad before he tempted eve , showing he was on a par with jehovah god in knowing that fact along with the other gods in heaven.. another scripture that comes to mind is 1 cor.8:5 "........just as their are many gods and many lords,,,".
The majority of us are here because we have family still trapped in the cult. The best we can do is have a proper knowledge of the scriptures or at least know what was the intent of the authors was. More of a B.A or Masters of theological studies type of knowledge from a secular University, than an actual bible school.
The idea of pretending you are Neil Degrasse Tyson and just mocking the bible or their beliefs doesn’t really accomplish much. The Trojan horse approach is what I prefer.
Plus heck, I just enjoy learning about theology.
guys i need a rebuttal in this.
cos this is what i plan to tell the elders when they come to me which i find inevitable.
due to general concession and confirmation from jw bible on page 1736. all the available christian greek scriptures manuscript today doesn't contain yhwh.
I have always the best way to show JWs how crappy the NWT is the shear dishonestly in some of the cross references . You don’t need to be a Greek or Hebrew expert to see how utterly bad some of it is.
Unfortunately I am at work right now or I would list some. Also unfortunately 95% of JW don’t even read the bible or even care.
I have also found out in my research about Jehovah in the New Testament the real controversy is some of the placements of “ Lord “ and “ Jesus “. Of the 5000 full or almost full copies of the New Testament , there are actually copies where one says lord and one says Jesus . It’s not even a matter if it was removed them the bible.
