notice the 144000 can be counted and they all come from israel.. 9 after this i saw, and look!
a great crowd, which no man was able to number, out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues,*+ standing before the throne and before the lamb, dressed in white robes;+ and there were palm branches in their hands.+ .
this great crowd, no man was able to number, and they come from every nation!
I learned a long time ago that arguing over the book of revelations is like trying to punch the wind.
The part I don't understand why do jehovah witness even care anymore since all the annoited were shit canned in 2012 with the new understanding of the faithful slave.
i was invited to a congregation in ontario, canada today and as soon as the meeting opened the brother conducting the meeting said there was a very important statement coming from the borg.
this talk replaced the two last parts of "living as a christian" section.
he started reading a letter from the borg about how much they loved us.
It's a Google French to English translation. That's the reason it reads awkward.
i personally think the truth which the jws are missing all together is that the wts has devised and constructed a doctrinal gospel (1914) specifically to assist toward the proliferation of the literature of which this organization publishes itself.
they allure people with them then exploit these ones further in the distribution of those pieces of literature all while stamping the information as bible truths.
i see jws as well controlled robotic sales representatives for this unscrupulous religious publishing house.
Something I find odd and took me quite a few years to realize there really is no distinction between the old and new testaments in Wts. They have just replaced mosaic law with law of the society.
The premise of the wts is jesus died to give us the annoited which in turn gave us the faithful slave. End game, jesus died to give us seven men in new York.
I am not even that religious and man that literally makes my skin crawl.
jws will deny that local needs parts are often just a way to mark those in the congregation who are deemed to be "bad association" or who don't fall in line with the elders viewpoints.
now, for the first time in a long time the wt discusses their marking policy and how it works in the nov study wt:.
recall paul’s counsel regarding disorderly ones in the congregation.
I was actually in the hall when the dickhead elder I was studying with placed a mark on my wife. Up to that point I really thought we were having a sincere bible study.
I swear I so close to just marching up to the front of the hall and just laying the boots to that prick. I will as Allah as my witness shit on his grave.
i was invited to a congregation in ontario, canada today and as soon as the meeting opened the brother conducting the meeting said there was a very important statement coming from the borg.
this talk replaced the two last parts of "living as a christian" section.
he started reading a letter from the borg about how much they loved us.
There was no mention in my wife's meeting.
back in the "good old days", i would look for people in my territory, especially ministers in order to debate the trinity with them.
it was my pet subject that i had spent many hours over several years researching.
i was such a good anti-trinity apologist that i was actually disappointed with the trinity brochure when it came out.
If you understand the nature of god of being invisible and untouchable and who scholars believe jesus was in the old testament ( the word of the lord or the angel of the lord), it's really not hard explain.
The new testament explains who jesus was in quite simple terms. The visible image of the invisible God or no one has seen the father only the son. Not really how they get a third member but the concept isn't as mysterious as some would like to believe.
Now if God comes to earth as a human limited by his finite mortality is he really god? The arguments at that point just become idle circular philosophy that really goes nowhere. Watchtower reasoning.
their fundamental beliefs are much like jehovah's witnesses sans the paranoia, authoritarianism, stifling rules, and end-times enthusiasm.
you don't even have to become a bible student to be saved, you could be an idol worshipping heathen and still get resurrected in the milenium.
if i still believed in the divine inspiration of the scriptures, i would be a bible student.
Something I didn't realize till years after the borg was the authors of the new testament didnt have the new testament. There bible was the old testament. Sounds stupid but I never really thought about it.
There is a great author named Michael Heiser who really explains seeing the bible though first century Jewish eyes, what is being referenced from the old testament and explains who jesus was and why the first century church is so christ centered.
Once you see the bible with a somewhat academic religious based Context, it really makes the obscure old testament stories and Revelations based theology of the wts utter nonsense.
for those who became jws, were you fully aware of the societys cruel shunning policy whilst studying?
i absolutely had no idea such a policy existed until years later.
it really only hit home when reading the horrendous stories on the internet around 2002. .
Wasn't until 1981 you could simply resign as being one of jehovah witness.
Most churches have some kind of process of dealing with active church members who break the rules but it is hardly ever enforced because if you want to spend your Saturday night doing blow and banging hookersv you won't be attending Sunday morning anyway.
The watchtower blackmails people into attending then gets all high and mighty when there is a moral failing. It's such bullshit.
can jws read publications by other churches?
or by atheists?
i've always heard these are apostate materials.
Am I the only one who is getting mad reading that rubbish
i attended a sunday meeting today after missing a couple due to a bout of chronic apathy.
out of 74 publishers we had a grand total of 33. wonderful.
for those that attend, how are you finding the numbers?.
I have found the larger the congregation, the easier it is to hide. In one I was involved with it claimed to have over 100 publishers with meeting attendance being around the 60 mark.
Another one was in a small town with about 30 publishers with attendance around 24 each meeting.
