Posts by Steel

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New Religion where to look?

by Alostpuppydog in

has anyone found any religion that makes more sense than the watchtower organization?

obviously catholics make even less sense than them so don't say that.... the reason i ask is because i still believe the bible is the word of god, but just that the jw's have twisted it for their own benefit, as most religions seem to do....

Steel

Start studying the bible from a purely academic stance from scholars like Daniel B Wallace and Michael S Heiser. Something you would actually found taught in a school of Christian theology in a secular university. Try and understand the new testament though first century Jewish eyes. I think you would be surprised how interesting it all is and also how incredibly stupid WTS theology is.

Also don't confuse ex-witness as ex Christians either. They were trying to disprove the bible as JWs and really aren't that far removed as ex Jws, complete with the hated filled arrogance they had as JWs.

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Why blame the Watchtower?

by deegee in

if god has a relationship with every christian and every christian is praying to him then wouldn't he tell every christian the same thing so that christians would agree on matters of doctrine and practice?.

it is certainly puzzling why sincere and devout people equally seek god's will and pray to him yet they all come up with different answers so that there are approximately 40,000 different christian denominations (center for the study of global christianity (csgc) at gordon-conwell theological seminary).. before his death, jesus called for agreement among his followers rather than division (john 17:20-21).

he declared that he would send the holy spirit to guide persons into all the truth (john 14:16 - 17, 26, john 15:26, john 16:7,13 - 15).. so shouldn't anyone who has a relationship with jesus, reads the bible, and listens to the holy spirit come to the same conclusions as others who are doing the same thing?.

Steel

The more I studied this subject, I am more impressed how much all the denonations of false religion have in common without a central body. The core ideas of Christianity are basically all the same no matter what church you go to.

-Salvation though faith

-Jesus was the manifestion of god in the flesh

Minor differences in dogma really don't matter that much.

What bothers me now is how intellectually lazy the approach JW have toward bible study ( if they really study at all). The unity they always talk about is just laziness combined with building core dogma around the most debatable books of the bible.

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The two powers in heaven

by Steel in

lately i have been watching a video series by a bible scholar named michael heiser explaining the idea of there being a plurality to god in the old testament.

the seen god and the unseen god and reading the bible though first century jewish eyes.

of course being a somewhat of an unbeliever i checked out some bart erham videos on the subject and he basically says what this christian scholar said.. basically christ is thought to be the manifestion of god that was seen and dealt with in the old testament.

Steel

So the concept of Jesus in the old testament is completely lost on a JW.

I am beginning to realize the average JW couldn't even pass an entry level Christian theology university class.

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The two powers in heaven

by Steel in

lately i have been watching a video series by a bible scholar named michael heiser explaining the idea of there being a plurality to god in the old testament.

the seen god and the unseen god and reading the bible though first century jewish eyes.

of course being a somewhat of an unbeliever i checked out some bart erham videos on the subject and he basically says what this christian scholar said.. basically christ is thought to be the manifestion of god that was seen and dealt with in the old testament.

Steel

Lately i have been watching a video series by a bible scholar named Michael Heiser explaining the idea of there being a plurality to god in the old testament. The seen god and the unseen god and reading the bible though first century jewish eyes

Of course being a somewhat of an unbeliever i checked out some Bart Erham videos on the subject and he basically says what this christian scholar said.

Basically Christ is thought to be the manifestion of god that was seen and dealt with in the old testament. The seen jehovah. He was the angel of the lord, the word of the lord, the captain of the lords hosts etc. I am not going to write anymore because you could literally write a masters degree thesis on the subject.

When you read the new testament without watchtower glasses it becomes pretty obvious who the authors though christ was. The visble image of the invisible god

Its not even anti witness literature but completely dismantles watchtower theology. Its like a light bulb moment for me.

Please save the bible is all bullshit comments. Some of us are here try and find theologic arguements to try and awaken sleeping loved ones in this soul sucking cult. It really isnt helpful

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Nov. Broadcast - Truth

by Listener in

for those that don't want to listen to the broadcast i've made a transcript on the section presented by losch on champions of truth.. be a champion of truth.

in today's world truth is being attacked and distorted.

we are being surrounded by a sea of lies and misrepresentations.... satan is the father of the lie but today there are children of the lie..... a lie is a false statement deliberately being presented as true.

Steel

The entire religion is literally a satanic mockery of Christianity.

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Welcome President Pence!

by Wasanelder Once in

can we expect legal problems for trump to cripple his authority?

remember that trump u. is still pending as well as multiple accusations of groping.

there is that one case of the woman claiming he raped her at 13. wow america, you really know how to pick'em.

Steel

I thought Pence was a middle of the road Republican before I heard him speak.

The guy is an evangelical nut job.

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November JW broadcast is up, this time on not telling the truth, shunning

by bohm in

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november broadcast is up:.

https://www.jw.org/download/?fileformat=mp4&output=html&pub=jwb&issue=201611.

we learn interesting things.

Steel

They are sure proud that when Hitler was putting child in ovens they did nothing.

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Does Mr Trump have his own 'hotline' to Russia's President Putin?

by fulltimestudent in

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according to australian newspaper, the canberra times (for aussies, its a fairfax publication) trump is able to contact putin and the conversations cannot be tapped.

(an interesting claim).. quote 1:.

"a former senior western intelligence operative, a specialist in russian counterintelligence deemed credible in washington, has provided the fbi with evidence that trump 'and his inner circle have accepted a regular flow of intelligence from the kremlin, including on clinton, since russian intelligence had compromised trump during his visits to moscow – so that he could be blackmailed'.

Steel

During one of the Clinton debates when discussing Syria , Trump made a pretty decent point about do we really know who these Syrian rebels really are? The ones the Russians are bombing.

I remember as a kid in the 80s the romantic notion of these brave warriors fighting the big bad soviets and the billions of dollars we gave them. Those guys turned into al queda and the Talib an. It's nice to see that wasn't completely lost on Trump.

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South Korea court frees JWs who refused to serve in military

by darkspilver in

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from the times of london website.

south korea court frees jehovah’s witnesses who refused to serve in military.

two south korean men who refused to do military service have had their convictions overturned in a landmark ruling against the government.. [snip].

Steel

I really wish they would have to do there prison time in a north gulag where they would mostly be starved and tortured to death.

Then they might understand the importance of the draft and why they need to be on guard.

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Canadian current and former JWs questioning the blood issue

by Lee Elder in

i was interviewed yesterday by stephen smith at the cbc.

he would also like to interview other current and former jws, along with any elders or hlc members who are questioning the blood policy.here is his contact information:stephen smithweb journalistcbc montreal1-141-62251-514-597-6225email: [email protected] you think you might be a good candidate, you may contact him directly.

he has agreed to maintain anonymity for those who need it.thanks,lee.

Steel

I am serious.

Is it kind of an unofficial rule to not talk about the deaths? Or is it just my hall.