Posts by Steel

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That One Defining Moment That Changed Your Life.

by new boy in

it seems that many times in life there is a moment or an action that changes your whole world.

it could be just a look that someone gives you.. many times it can be something rather small.

something hardly noticeable by anyone but you.

Steel

Birth of my son

Getting my heart broken at 18 years old. Diffinetly a positive experience. It taught me time really does heal old wounds and sex doesn't mean love.

Watching a high school crush of seven years marry another guy. Funny thing is we did reconnect years later and told me she thought of me often.

Reading a book called the two powers in heaven, basically explaining the plurality of old testament god and who new testament thought jesus was. It literally destroyed any chance of me ever getting baptized or taking the Wts with any seriousness.

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JWs kinda admit to not being Christian

by NikL in

during the book study which is basically a book all about the history of "gods organization" ©.

a paragraph that hit me like a ton of the proverbial bricks was this.... 9 first, jehovah’s servants came to have the proper view of the importance of god’s name.

faithful early bible students viewed the ransom arrangement as the bible’s main teaching.

Steel

I saw this speaker talk once about " the name of god " and starting using old testament examples. We are protected by name of god, the name of god is in him, the name traveled to met us. The ark of the conevant is call the name. Etc etc.

What it really means is the essence or power of God. It often just used to refer to God himself. It Hebrew it is called the shema.

It has nothing to do with four letters or just saying a magical word. The jw have reduced the bible to Harry Potter on this issue.

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Jesus in the old testament

by Steel in

about two years ago i was challenged by a householder to do the research on the subject.

of course thinking it was all bunk i decided to take a look off the reservation.

much to my surprise a lot of started to make sense and i started to understand the connections between the old and new testament .

Steel

Something else I find odd once I understand who bible scholars though jesus was in the old testament, the proof texts jws use to try and disprove jesus being god really mean nothing. I think the most quoted being " there is one true God the Father and one he sent forth jesus christ".

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How does an elder become an elder ?

by Drwho in

i was never a jw , so have millions of questions .

please, how does an elder become an elder and how much trust does or should a jw put in an elder .?

simon.

Steel

It's a position that requires you have the same moral compass as a ss officer in the third Reich.

Telling parents not ignore children

Telling children to shun parents

Meeting with pregnant women telling them to die if medical compilations arise giving birth.

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Jesus in the old testament

by Steel in

about two years ago i was challenged by a householder to do the research on the subject.

of course thinking it was all bunk i decided to take a look off the reservation.

much to my surprise a lot of started to make sense and i started to understand the connections between the old and new testament .

Steel

Wow

Thats exactly the conclusion I came too. Jesus is basically just God's avatar in the old testament and having the attributes of limitations of a human in the new testament.

Thats about as simple as I can put it.

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Anyone else hear of this?

by Tahoe in

jw
friends

a jw family member informed me they are filling out an application to preach the truth in israel.

interested ones in the congregation were asked to start saving now, as the cost of the flights would be their own responsibility.

the time frame for this preaching work is for a couple of weeks in may/june 2017. the applications are to be turned in this sunday.

Steel

The interest in Israel is based of there new understanding of mog and magog.

The bigger problem is the end times chronology they have preached for decades isn't even coming close to coming true.

No problem, let's just steal everyone else's ideas.

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Anyone else hear of this?

by Tahoe in

jw
friends

a jw family member informed me they are filling out an application to preach the truth in israel.

interested ones in the congregation were asked to start saving now, as the cost of the flights would be their own responsibility.

the time frame for this preaching work is for a couple of weeks in may/june 2017. the applications are to be turned in this sunday.

Steel

I sure think it's real greasy to go to another country that's sole survival depends on its military and having an armed civilian population and preach their nonsense. Many a time in the nation of Israel a terrorist on a rampage has been stopped by an armed civilian. Israelis live the life American right wing gun nuts wish they had.

How would you feel if you converted someone and later went back to Canada or the UK and later they were butchered in a terrorist attack with no means or skills to protect themselves.

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Arguing with Witnesses vs Trinitarians

by schnell in

jw
friends

i have always been told as a jw that trinitarians, particularly baptists, are just the worst people to argue with out in service.

i have always been told it was the world with a veil over their eyes.

the hypocritical irony is that so many witnesses are completely stubborn and willing to believe in magic before they believe anything against their dogma.

Steel

I find now that I have a better understanding of what new testament writers are referencing in the old testament,the arguments against the diety of Christ are just ridiculous chicken and egg arguments all being quite circular in nature.

Why would jesus say that ?

Cause he was a human.

If he was human, how could he be god?

Round and round and round

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Anyone else hear of this?

by Tahoe in

jw
friends

a jw family member informed me they are filling out an application to preach the truth in israel.

interested ones in the congregation were asked to start saving now, as the cost of the flights would be their own responsibility.

the time frame for this preaching work is for a couple of weeks in may/june 2017. the applications are to be turned in this sunday.

Steel

For decades evangelicals have taught the ends days would come with some kind of Muslim Russian alliance would be forming to attack Israel. God protection depends on them turning to Christ.

With the recent events in the middle east and the Russians in Syria it has been a wonderful recruiting tool for the evangelical church. There is all kinds of mission work in Israel right now.

Not too be outdone the Wts has get over to convert them all so when Muslims Attack, it is an attack gods real christians , not the dirty jews.

When you invent a theology that basically replaces the jews with membership in the Wts. Well it's easier to try and convert an entire country than have the governing body admit they might have fucked up.

I think the average Israeli thinks the whole thing is an incredible nuisance.

I have had two ubers in our congregation go over. Literally two of the stupidest people you could ever meet.

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Arguing with Witnesses vs Trinitarians

by schnell in

jw
friends

i have always been told as a jw that trinitarians, particularly baptists, are just the worst people to argue with out in service.

i have always been told it was the world with a veil over their eyes.

the hypocritical irony is that so many witnesses are completely stubborn and willing to believe in magic before they believe anything against their dogma.

Steel

I am not really sure if the bible teaches a trinity but it diffinetly teaches an obscure bi unity or plurality of yaweh in the old and new testament. It is something that requires some serious study of reconciling the old and new testament.

I am not really sure why jws think they have such a home run on this subject. They hardly even scratch of the belief.