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  Who was/is the promised Messiah ? Jesus or Immanuel

  by smiddy in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  in isaiah 7:14 "therefore jehovah himself will give you men a sign look the maiden herself will actually become pregnant and she is giving birth to a son and she will certainly call his name immanuel".

  this scripture is attributed to the virgin birth of jesus from his mother mary to become the messiah.

  the problem is the name of the messiah isnt jesus its immanuel .

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  Immanuel is used more as a title than an actual name meaning " god with us".

  Its like calling Steve Austin the rattlesnake. Sorry for the stupid wrestling analogy. Its all i could think of.
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  Hospice and JW

  by Terry Clees in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  i am a bereavement coordinator with a hospice company.

  i have noticed that most often jw patients decline chaplain care and also the family ends up declining bereavement care.

  where i work our chaplains do not proselytize at all...they merely walk with the patient in their faith at the end of life.

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  Steel

  The watchtower and tract society pay alot of lipservice to god, jesus and the bible but in reality it is just a belief in seven magical men in new york and though your works and obedience and works to these men and the organization they lead you will survive Armageddon.

  The average jw looks at you with disgust and contempt. Thats why they reject your services.
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  Wife is Awake

  by freemindfade in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  following the news of stuckinarut2, over the past few months my wife has completely mentally woken up.

  i've been meaning to post but haven't had the time.

  i saw stuckins post and i figured i'd add my news too.

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  Did the stupidity of the loyalty assembly have anything to do with it? Good god i felt like i was on the jonestowns compound.
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  Are there any doctrines which all Christian religions follow.

  by jwfacts in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i cannot think of a single doctrine that is so clearly laid out in the bible that every christian sect teaches the same point.

  are there any doctrine where there is total consensus amongst all christian religions, including jehovah's witnesses?.

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  I have an uncle who has pastored Baptist, Mennonite and evangelical churches. I really have to disagree that there are huge dogmatic gaps between 98% of christian churches.

  Ex dubs have a tough time even after believing that you can be a Christian without a telemarketer package. How can we be christians if dont all have the same view of the book of relevations etc etc.

  The idea of tenets of faith and the rest are just details is so alien to the jws.
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  attended funeral.

  by zeb in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  to show respects for the older bro who died.. first thing i noticed.

  the noise!..

  jw never learn to sit and do so quietly.

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  What i have noticed at jw funerals is no one cries. Its honestly really creepy. Of course 5 mins about the person and 30 mins about the borg.

  The part really bugs me is the counting. You could see the elders at the back taking attendance. Not really sure why.

  I just thought was rude.
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  Scriptures rarely mentioned

  by dothemath in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  a couple of examples of scriptures hardly ever quoted is 1 tim.

  2:12- "i do not permit a woman to teach, or to exercise authority over a man, but to be in silence".

  or verse 11- "let a woman learn in silence with full submissiveness.".

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  Anything about faith over works. Basically the entire book of romans.
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  Are there any doctrines which all Christian religions follow.

  by jwfacts in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i cannot think of a single doctrine that is so clearly laid out in the bible that every christian sect teaches the same point.

  are there any doctrine where there is total consensus amongst all christian religions, including jehovah's witnesses?.

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  Steel

  Jesus was the manifestation of god in the flesh.

  You are saved by grace not works.

  All true christians are the body of christ ( the church). Its not an organizational or denomination thing.
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  For those that read the bible, does the true message of scripture still come through in NWT?

  by NikL in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  my active and in jw wife is up for reading bible together.

  thing is she wants to use nwt.. i have problems with that translation as you my imagine.. just wondering if you thought the true message of the bible will shine through the deliberate tampering of the nwt?.

  i know many people here don't like or want to read the bible and think it's rubbish anyway, so if that's you, you can save your comments :-).

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  The bible is extremely boring and quite complex. I really hate when people say reading it is so life changing. Some parts of it are done right nasty. I actually have a so called childrens niv with warnings to say out of parts of the new testament.

  I do enjoy listening to academics and real scholars talk about it. It is quite interesting if you deal with people who know what they are talking about.

  The problem i have with nwt is it tries to isolate and obscure single verses assuming the reader doesn't know the intent of the authors. New testament writers believed jesus was the physical manifestation of jehovah god from the old testament. There is no big picture in the nwt.

  Its so stupid, its not even the bible.
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  For those that read the bible, does the true message of scripture still come through in NWT?

  by NikL in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  my active and in jw wife is up for reading bible together.

  thing is she wants to use nwt.. i have problems with that translation as you my imagine.. just wondering if you thought the true message of the bible will shine through the deliberate tampering of the nwt?.

  i know many people here don't like or want to read the bible and think it's rubbish anyway, so if that's you, you can save your comments :-).

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  Steel

  The new testament in the nwt is a complete abortion.
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  NWT cross references

  by Steel in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  lately i have been really interested in the idea of who jesus was in the in old testament.

  i have reading an author named michael heiser who generally believes anytime there was a physical manifestion of god in the old testament it was a pre incarnation of jesus christ.. i was reading the first chapter of jeremiah there is a figure called " the word of jehovah appears ".

  this actually happens in a number of places in the old testament.

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  Wow

  Just wow

  The average jw really has no concept of why some believe he was jehovah in the old testament.?