Posts by Ireneus

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Destruction to start from “God’s House”

by Ireneus in

here is the greatest irony: people proclaiming the destruction of others are the first ones to experience destruction, foretaste of which is already experienced in the form of shrinking glory, finance and confidence!.

babel means confusion, hence babylon the great means a great nation of confusing doctrines.

this nation is “intoxicated” and “drunk with the blood of god’s holy ones.” (revelation 17:2, 6) the greatest intoxication of christendom and its heartland jehovah’s witnesses is with their own claim of having monopoly on truth and thus treating rest of the mankind as pagan, a concept that kills everything god’s holy ones stood for (mathew 7:12).

Ireneus

Interestingly, something too obvious is not seen by JWs.

God is non-interventionist, says Jesus through the famous story of prodigal son (Luke 15:11-32) because the Hero of the story, Father, permits son to use his free-will to any extent and accepts him when “he returns to his senses” and also there are many unambiguous statements such as Mathew 12:35; Revelation 22:11 …etc to this effect. This is because it is nature (not God) that rewards according to what each one does—qualitatively (Galatians 6:7) and quantitatively (Luke 6:38)

That means God would not say He leads the history (as implied in Genesis 3:15) nor Jesus would say He would appoint “a Faithful and Discreet Slave” class to lead people spiritually as given in Mathew 24:45. The wording itself suggests that it is coined by some thoughtless person because it gives the impression that Jesus tacitly condones the disgusting practice of slavery about which Abraham Lincoln rightly said: “If slavery is not wrong, nothing is wrong.”

What is new becomes old in due course. God filled the earth with provisions for life's enjoyment. (Genesis 1) Mankind (Adam, originally means mankind in Hebrew) enjoyed those provisions for some extended period; and then greed appeared which is symbolically presented through an individual Adam (what actually mankind did collectively); thus earth began to become old, became like hell. Now population is exploding and resources are depleted/destroyed. In due course, God will refill the earth with provisions for life's enjoyment. (Revelation 21:1-5) Only God can renew what has become old. This is common sense, not a thing to be preached.

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Bible comes alive if we look for meaning behind the symbols it uses

by Ireneus in

bible contains too much human thinking presented as though from god, thus much of its information brings dishonor to god.. yet it contains great beneficial truths behind the symbols it uses.

let us take the only two cases of miracles jesus performed without any request from anybody which would show the very purpose of his ministry:.

1) jesus healed a woman who “was bent over and could not straighten up at all.” (luke 13:11-13).

Ireneus

Hi Doug

What I am regularly using is New American Bible, Catholic Reference Edition, which contains Apocrypha. I give equal value to the Apocryphal Books also, hence I believe in the immortality of soul, hence find teaching or resurrection useless. I have also a collection of unlisted gospels such as of Thomas, Marcion etc.

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Bible comes alive if we look for meaning behind the symbols it uses

by Ireneus in

bible contains too much human thinking presented as though from god, thus much of its information brings dishonor to god.. yet it contains great beneficial truths behind the symbols it uses.

let us take the only two cases of miracles jesus performed without any request from anybody which would show the very purpose of his ministry:.

1) jesus healed a woman who “was bent over and could not straighten up at all.” (luke 13:11-13).

Ireneus

Hi Doug,

You asked: “When you say "Bible", which Canon do you mean?”

I view bulk of the Bible as uninspired and some verses here and there are inspired because those very few verses match with my intuition, my experience and history.

For example,

God is non-interventionist, says Jesus through the famous story of prodigal son (Luke 15:11-32) because the Hero of the story Father permits son to use his free-will to any extent and accepts him when “he returns to his senses” and through the unambiguous statement. (Revelation 22:11)

Nature rewards according to what each one does—qualitatively (Galatians 6:7) and quantitatively (Luke 6:38)

That means God would not say He leads the history (as implied in Genesis 3:15) nor Jesus would say He would appoint “a Faithful and Discreet Slave” class to lead people spiritually as given in Mathew 24:45. The wording itself suggests that it is coined by some thoughtless person because it gives the impression that Jesus tacitly condones the disgusting practice of slavery about which Abraham Lincoln rightly said: “If slavery is not wrong, nothing is wrong.”

Now come back to non-interventionist policy of God which is well attested by history. God filled the earth with provisions for life’s enjoyment (Genesis 1). Mankind enjoyed those provisions for some untold period of time (may be 1000s of years), then greed appeared (Genesis 3) which made the earth a hell-like place. Now population is exploding and resources are getting depleted/destroyed. In due course, God will refill the earth with provisions for life’s enjoyment (Revelation 21:1-5).

The above gives you an idea how I view the Bible and its concepts.

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Bible comes alive if we look for meaning behind the symbols it uses

by Ireneus in

bible contains too much human thinking presented as though from god, thus much of its information brings dishonor to god.. yet it contains great beneficial truths behind the symbols it uses.

let us take the only two cases of miracles jesus performed without any request from anybody which would show the very purpose of his ministry:.

1) jesus healed a woman who “was bent over and could not straighten up at all.” (luke 13:11-13).

Ireneus

Punkofnice,

With a trustee attitude acting humanely is the best religion.

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Bible comes alive if we look for meaning behind the symbols it uses

by Ireneus in

bible contains too much human thinking presented as though from god, thus much of its information brings dishonor to god.. yet it contains great beneficial truths behind the symbols it uses.

let us take the only two cases of miracles jesus performed without any request from anybody which would show the very purpose of his ministry:.

1) jesus healed a woman who “was bent over and could not straighten up at all.” (luke 13:11-13).

Ireneus

Hi Punkofnice,

Each religion has a special audience; that is why people belonging to different religions do not feel comfortable with other religious ideas and scriptures. If one can draw benefit from his religion and its scripture that’s fine because ultimately religions are trying to make us act humanely.

But people like me are different. I try every religion and its scripture and compare, and take the best out of them. The best thing I found with regard to art of living was this. When a famous religious figure was told someone called him a liar, he responded: “You can also call me a liar.” It means he is least bothered about his image, about how other people view him. This is what egolessness means. When I started this policy, I enjoy a great sense of peace and even freedom.

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Bible comes alive if we look for meaning behind the symbols it uses

by Ireneus in

bible contains too much human thinking presented as though from god, thus much of its information brings dishonor to god.. yet it contains great beneficial truths behind the symbols it uses.

let us take the only two cases of miracles jesus performed without any request from anybody which would show the very purpose of his ministry:.

1) jesus healed a woman who “was bent over and could not straighten up at all.” (luke 13:11-13).

Ireneus

Hi Wake Me Up Before You Jo-Ho

I came to know of Past Regression when heard from John Martin Stapleton (TV Broadcaster and journalist) who described how he benefited from it.

Anyhow that is not the issue. Our subject is: Benefiting from symbols used in the Bible.

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Bible comes alive if we look for meaning behind the symbols it uses

by Ireneus in

bible contains too much human thinking presented as though from god, thus much of its information brings dishonor to god.. yet it contains great beneficial truths behind the symbols it uses.

let us take the only two cases of miracles jesus performed without any request from anybody which would show the very purpose of his ministry:.

1) jesus healed a woman who “was bent over and could not straighten up at all.” (luke 13:11-13).

Ireneus

Hi jp1692,

When someone brought the subject of galaxies on collision course, sun exhausting its supply of hydrogen …etc as evidences of God’s non-existence, I had to take something which shows order and evidence for a higher intelligence, thus I took Periodic Table. This is because I have always felt envious about the Chemistry people because they simply summarized pretty much everything important about their subject with one, single page of information. There is nothing wrong in taking Periodic Table as an evidence of order because it is a table with so much of predictability that certain elements and their properties were 'predicted' by research chemists to belong in a certain spot within this table even before they were proven to truly exist!

So much for periodic table. Our subject is benefiting from symbolic information found in the Bible.

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Bible comes alive if we look for meaning behind the symbols it uses

by Ireneus in

bible contains too much human thinking presented as though from god, thus much of its information brings dishonor to god.. yet it contains great beneficial truths behind the symbols it uses.

let us take the only two cases of miracles jesus performed without any request from anybody which would show the very purpose of his ministry:.

1) jesus healed a woman who “was bent over and could not straighten up at all.” (luke 13:11-13).

Ireneus

Hi dubtfll1799,

I tried past regression out of curiosity, but it turned out to be a huge fortune because I got some hidden information which led to the recovery of ancestral inheritance for me.

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Blessings and Curses

by jws in

biblical blessings and curses have always been an issue for me - at least since i started to look at this stuff with a more critical eye.. so, what are they exactly?

i know the traditional sense of the words.

if you're blessed, good things happen to you.

Ireneus

Jews were inventing past events to match with their later history, hence you can't take Genesis accounts to reach a conclusion on what blessings and cursing mean. It's all various wordings given to the consequences of action. (Galatians 6:7)

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Bible comes alive if we look for meaning behind the symbols it uses

by Ireneus in

bible contains too much human thinking presented as though from god, thus much of its information brings dishonor to god.. yet it contains great beneficial truths behind the symbols it uses.

let us take the only two cases of miracles jesus performed without any request from anybody which would show the very purpose of his ministry:.

1) jesus healed a woman who “was bent over and could not straighten up at all.” (luke 13:11-13).

Ireneus

Hi jp1692

You start with Hydrogen (1) and when you reach gold (79) you add one proton you find mercury (80) [wow, what an amazing difference!] and it goes on … showing you perfect order. Now let us try a different thing with an element having 6 protons. Diamond and graphite both of which are forms of carbon [with atomic number six]. Diamond is very hard, transparent to light, and does not conduct electricity at all whereas graphite is slippery, gray, opaque and can conduct electricity reasonably well. Such differing properties are because of the differing way carbon atoms are arranged in both of them. In graphite the carbon atoms only form three covalent bonds, creating hexagonally packed sheets of carbon and the sheets of carbon become bonded by weaker intermolecular forces. However, “the diamond lattice contains tetrahedral carbon atoms in an infinite three-dimensional network.” (Chemistry Encyclopedia,http://www.chemistryexplained.com/A-Ar/Allotropes.html) In diamond, each of them would look like a triangular pyramid, composed of four triangular faces, six straight edges, and four vertex corners. This accounts for diamond’s hardness, extraordinary strength, durability, a higher density and a great resistance to compression, scratch…etc.

Such order and beauty brought about by slight modifications gives me an idea what the past of our earth was, and what would be its future. I appreciate the conclusions you derive from science. That is the beauty of life. Among scientists themselves you would find both the groups--one group whose faith in God increases as their knowledge in science increases and the other group whose faith in the non-existence of God increases as their knowledge of science increases.