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  Two Gods seen in the Bible

  by Ireneus in

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  a careful reader of the bible can see depiction of two gods in the bible—one that of a loving father figure, and the other an impulsive sort of who has been copied thoughtlessly from other cultures.. 1) god of love (as seen in genesis chapter 1) who creates humans (men and woman simultaneously) “in his image” (which means he gave the best he can to his children, the potential to become like him) as a crown of creation with a command to take care of all species, and goes into silence unconcerned of mankind’s response [gratitude or worship] to him, yet with a presupposition to “renew” in case humans deplete/destroy the resources (mathew 19:28; revelation 21:1-5).

  thus god’s action defines him as “the servant of humanity.” (luke 22:26, 27) this is in contrast to the second god (as seen in genesis chapter 2 and 3 and throughout other books) who makes the planning for suffering and death for humans in co-operation with his adversary.. 2) god of impartiality (deut 10:17; mathew 5:44-48) who asks us to love/greet everyone.

  this is in contrast to the second god who commands his worshippers not even to greet those who do not share their beliefs.

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  DATA-DOG

  I used the phrase “fallen state” in the sense that humans could have been better in the past than us today. We make improvement only in technology, not in our behavior pattern. If one’s blood pressure is increasing day by day, we know that it is not a good sign. Similarly, our nations are becoming stronger and stronger as the time passes by assuring Mutually Assured Destruction with the latest being the introduction of Poseidon, the world destroyer, from Russia—https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/weapons/a22537135/russias-nuclear-tsunami-apocalypse-torpedo-is-named-poseidon/).

  Even when we make improvements in technology, later we find it was not at all a progress. For example, cell phones used by almost everyone now. Its irregular microwave pulses create disturbing patterns on functional MRI studies. There have been studies that say cell phone microwave energy is often toxic to brain cells.

  Lyon, France, May 31, 2011 — The WHO/International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC) has classified radiofrequency electromagnetic fields as possibly carcinogenic to humans (Group 2B), based on an increased risk for glioma, a malignant type of brain cancer associated with wireless phone use. Int Agency Research on Cancer 2011

  In summary, this study provides evidence that in humans RF-EMF exposure from cell phone use affects brain function, as shown by the regional increases in metabolic activity. It also documents that the observed effects were greatest in brain regions that had the highest amplitude of RF-EMF emissions (for the specific cell phones used in this study and their position relative to the head when in use), which suggests that the metabolic increases are secondary to the absorption of RF-EMF energy emitted by the cell phone. Further studies are needed to assess if these effects could have potential long-term harmful consequences. Jama Network 2011

  There are many more: https://bigthink.com/laurie-vazquez/6-scientists-who-regret-their-greatest-inventions

  If you say “fallen state” is a myth, opposite camp can say what you say is also a myth as theories are bound to receive jolt occasionally like this: “Mysterious ancient humans with brains like modern people.” https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/ancient-humans-homo-naledi-brains-intelligence-evolution-behaviour-a8351451.html
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  Two Gods seen in the Bible

  by Ireneus in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  a careful reader of the bible can see depiction of two gods in the bible—one that of a loving father figure, and the other an impulsive sort of who has been copied thoughtlessly from other cultures.. 1) god of love (as seen in genesis chapter 1) who creates humans (men and woman simultaneously) “in his image” (which means he gave the best he can to his children, the potential to become like him) as a crown of creation with a command to take care of all species, and goes into silence unconcerned of mankind’s response [gratitude or worship] to him, yet with a presupposition to “renew” in case humans deplete/destroy the resources (mathew 19:28; revelation 21:1-5).

  thus god’s action defines him as “the servant of humanity.” (luke 22:26, 27) this is in contrast to the second god (as seen in genesis chapter 2 and 3 and throughout other books) who makes the planning for suffering and death for humans in co-operation with his adversary.. 2) god of impartiality (deut 10:17; mathew 5:44-48) who asks us to love/greet everyone.

  this is in contrast to the second god who commands his worshippers not even to greet those who do not share their beliefs.

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  Amelia Ashton

  You are looking at the fallen state of affairs of mankind and making these comments. In the pre-fallen state, humans could have been far better than what we are now. Regarding other species excelling in certain areas in comparison to humans, you are making category error—it is like asking ‘why can’t trees fly?’ Each species is unique contributing to the variety and beauty of the nature. Among all the species, you can see some general divisions—species with one sense, species with two senses, three senses, four senses, and five senses. But when it comes to humans, they have six senses—touch (pressure), hearing, seeing, smelling, taste, and intuitive/inventive thinking. You will note lower species do not have what we have—intuition, ability to come up with revolutionary ideas and reasoning, ability to design sophisticated machines …etc.
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  Two Gods seen in the Bible

  by Ireneus in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  a careful reader of the bible can see depiction of two gods in the bible—one that of a loving father figure, and the other an impulsive sort of who has been copied thoughtlessly from other cultures.. 1) god of love (as seen in genesis chapter 1) who creates humans (men and woman simultaneously) “in his image” (which means he gave the best he can to his children, the potential to become like him) as a crown of creation with a command to take care of all species, and goes into silence unconcerned of mankind’s response [gratitude or worship] to him, yet with a presupposition to “renew” in case humans deplete/destroy the resources (mathew 19:28; revelation 21:1-5).

  thus god’s action defines him as “the servant of humanity.” (luke 22:26, 27) this is in contrast to the second god (as seen in genesis chapter 2 and 3 and throughout other books) who makes the planning for suffering and death for humans in co-operation with his adversary.. 2) god of impartiality (deut 10:17; mathew 5:44-48) who asks us to love/greet everyone.

  this is in contrast to the second god who commands his worshippers not even to greet those who do not share their beliefs.

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  Drearyweather

  It is two Gods because one commands for all sorts of sacrifices, and the other benevolent God says ‘I have not authorized any of those sacrifices’ (Jeremiah 7:22, 31; 8:8)
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  Two Gods seen in the Bible

  by Ireneus in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  a careful reader of the bible can see depiction of two gods in the bible—one that of a loving father figure, and the other an impulsive sort of who has been copied thoughtlessly from other cultures.. 1) god of love (as seen in genesis chapter 1) who creates humans (men and woman simultaneously) “in his image” (which means he gave the best he can to his children, the potential to become like him) as a crown of creation with a command to take care of all species, and goes into silence unconcerned of mankind’s response [gratitude or worship] to him, yet with a presupposition to “renew” in case humans deplete/destroy the resources (mathew 19:28; revelation 21:1-5).

  thus god’s action defines him as “the servant of humanity.” (luke 22:26, 27) this is in contrast to the second god (as seen in genesis chapter 2 and 3 and throughout other books) who makes the planning for suffering and death for humans in co-operation with his adversary.. 2) god of impartiality (deut 10:17; mathew 5:44-48) who asks us to love/greet everyone.

  this is in contrast to the second god who commands his worshippers not even to greet those who do not share their beliefs.

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  Ireneus

  A careful reader of the Bible can see depiction of two Gods in the Bible—one that of a loving Father figure, and the other an impulsive sort of who has been copied thoughtlessly from other cultures.
  

  1) God of love (as seen in Genesis chapter 1) who creates humans (men and woman simultaneously) “in His image” (which means He gave the best He can to His children, the potential to become like Him) as a crown of creation with a command to take care of all species, and goes into silence unconcerned of mankind’s response [gratitude or worship] to Him, yet with a presupposition to “renew” in case humans deplete/destroy the resources (Mathew 19:28; Revelation 21:1-5). Thus God’s action defines Him as “the servant of humanity.” (Luke 22:26, 27) This is in contrast to the second God (as seen in Genesis chapter 2 and 3 and throughout other books) who makes the planning for suffering and death for humans in co-operation with His adversary.

  2) God of impartiality (Deut 10:17; Mathew 5:44-48) who asks us to love/greet everyone. This is in contrast to the second God who commands His worshippers not even to greet those who do not share their beliefs. (2John 1:10)

  3) God of tender mercies who hates all sorts of sacrifices (Mathew 9:13; Jeremiah 6:20; 7:31; Psalm 50:9, 10; Isaiah 1:11-13) and killings (Isaiah 66:3) because He knows the workings of human body, as confirmed by Centre for Compassion and Altruism Research and Education at Stanford: ‘When people act in a compassionate way, pleasure circuits get activated in their brain which leads to a feeling of increased wellbeing, joy and optimism and drives away several physical and psychological ailments.’ [http://ccare.stanford.edu/] This God is in contrast to the second God who makes elaborate provisions for ‘revenge and killings’ (Numbers 31:17, 18) and sacrifices for anything and everything (Ex, Lev, Num, and Deut …) who uses killing to test even his faithful one (He commanded Abraham to kill his only son—in view of the trauma that presents to the child, it was a barbaric act even though test was aborted before its climax).

  The former can only be discovered through discernment as it is given in low profile whereas the latter is invented by theologians and human writers. No wonder, the image of second God (which forms the bulk of Bible) alienated many thinking people like Thomas Alva Edison who said: "I do not believe in the God of the theologians; but that there is a Supreme Intelligence I do not doubt." (The Freethinker, British Magazine, 1970) It is the depiction of this second God that made some say “A peaceful atheist is far more spiritual than a hateful believer.”
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  How did they live with themselves?

  by eyeuse2badub in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  how do you think they lived with themselves?.

  how do you think that the israelite soldiers that were ordered by king david to take uriah to the front lines and then retreat behind him so the enemy could slaughter him live after that event?

  were they okay and at peace?.

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  They had no problem because they were worshipping a fictitious God who commanded Abraham to slaughter his only child.
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  How were God’s true worshipers to determine virginity of pagan girls?

  by Ireneus in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  in the genocidal instructions supposedly given by god we find this interesting command: “now kill all the boys.

  and kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.” (numbers 31:17, 18).

  in the midst of killing and plundering, how were the israelites to determine whether each girl “has slept with a man” or not?.

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  TheFadingAlbatros,

  I can't believe someone dared to explain this portion!
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  How were God’s true worshipers to determine virginity of pagan girls?

  by Ireneus in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  in the genocidal instructions supposedly given by god we find this interesting command: “now kill all the boys.

  and kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.” (numbers 31:17, 18).

  in the midst of killing and plundering, how were the israelites to determine whether each girl “has slept with a man” or not?.

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  Ireneus

  Bible is guilty of violating ts own commandment: ‘Don’t speak many words because you will unavoidably commit sin, but restrain your lips.” (Proverb 10:19)

  How nice it would have been if Bible were too succinct and simple as triple filter of Socretes who said: “Ask three questions before speaking (which equally applies to acting also):

  (1) Does what I’m about to say show Truth?

  (2) Does it show Goodness? and

  (3) Does it show Usefulness or Beauty?

  If not, don’t speak [or do it].

  With these three simple verses, Bible might have been completed!

  
  
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  How were God’s true worshipers to determine virginity of pagan girls?

  by Ireneus in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  in the genocidal instructions supposedly given by god we find this interesting command: “now kill all the boys.

  and kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.” (numbers 31:17, 18).

  in the midst of killing and plundering, how were the israelites to determine whether each girl “has slept with a man” or not?.

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  Ireneus

  In the genocidal instructions supposedly given by God we find this interesting command: “Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.” (Numbers 31:17, 18)
  

  In the midst of killing and plundering, how were the Israelites to determine whether each girl “has slept with a man” or not?

  Interestingly, God declares, through Jesus, that He had not made any such commands (John 8:28; Mathew 5:28) which means they were all Israelites’ own claim.
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  Independent reading of Bible results in better understanding

  by Ireneus in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  in guided reading, you tend to get the understanding of the guide.

  what if guide is blind?

  religious leaders who understand ‘one innocent man should be killed to atone the sins of others are in bondage to darkness, hence there is nothing good to be expected from them.

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  Beth Sam,

  What you said is a great truth.

  If we take all scriptures to be figurative, it makes sense; and there is peace.

  If we take them all literally, we are sowing the seeds for contention and conflict.
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  Independent reading of Bible results in better understanding

  by Ireneus in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  in guided reading, you tend to get the understanding of the guide.

  what if guide is blind?

  religious leaders who understand ‘one innocent man should be killed to atone the sins of others are in bondage to darkness, hence there is nothing good to be expected from them.

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  When children can understand hard stuff like quantum mechanics and make practical application, why do they need help to understand Bible?