Posts by Ireneus

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Jesus—a real, historical person

by Ireneus in

jesus was a real and historical person (not the way jws or the rest of the people think him to be) because of the following historical facts:.

1) the fact that the most influential political establishment of that time (roman empire) was convinced that jesus’ name would sell to suit their political agenda (to promote slavery) shows that jesus was as historical as roman empire itself; hence they implanted slavery-friendly verses into the bible as though spoken by jesus (such as mathew 5:39, 41; 24:45 ..etc) this was in contrast to the real personality jesus really was—he was a man of courage, who ‘walked alone to do what is right if those invited refused to accompany him.’ when his family and disciples were fond of sleeping, his delight was to spend early morning hours alone, in meditation, with god to the extent he could say he was “one” with qualities of god.

(mark 1:35; john 8:1, 2; 10:30) such a person would naturally be too famous and too crowd-pulling against whom even the influential people were helpless even when they were whipped out of the temple which reminds us of “hollywood rambo style” merely because of his moral authority (not that he had any supernatural powers to perform miracles).. 2) similarly, emerging religion (apostate christianity) too knew they could misuse the name of jesus to serve its commercial agenda.

Ireneus

Cofty,

Anti-family verses Jesus supposedly spoke are the creation of apostate Christianity because they wanted followers to put organizational interests above their families. Jesus who stood for unconditional love (Mathew 5:44-48) and peace-making (Mathew 5:8) could not have advocated any of those anti-family verses (that was obviously put into his mouth by those with vested interests).

Jesus said we can have unambiguous lessons from looking at The Book of Nature (Mathew 6:26) which means he is asking his listeners to be dynamic and make own lessons from the Book of Nature. For example, I have made the following lessons:

1) I see earth is fine-tuned not only for my sustenance but also for my enjoyment. This inspires me to fine-tune all my actions (thinking, speaking, and acting) for the welfare of all which includes my family members too—with whom I have to be in peace.

2) I see earth is only a dust-sized in comparison with the vast universe, which means I have no sound basis to cultivate ego which makes life (own and of others) a hell.

3) History shows that everyone enters empty-handed and exits empty-handed which means in principle we do not posses anything, but only use possessions for a limited period and pass on to others which teaches me to have a trustee attitude, like Abraham who is called “a friend of God” because he had this trustee attitude or guest attitude (Heb 11:13)

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Jesus—a real, historical person

by Ireneus in

jesus was a real and historical person (not the way jws or the rest of the people think him to be) because of the following historical facts:.

1) the fact that the most influential political establishment of that time (roman empire) was convinced that jesus’ name would sell to suit their political agenda (to promote slavery) shows that jesus was as historical as roman empire itself; hence they implanted slavery-friendly verses into the bible as though spoken by jesus (such as mathew 5:39, 41; 24:45 ..etc) this was in contrast to the real personality jesus really was—he was a man of courage, who ‘walked alone to do what is right if those invited refused to accompany him.’ when his family and disciples were fond of sleeping, his delight was to spend early morning hours alone, in meditation, with god to the extent he could say he was “one” with qualities of god.

(mark 1:35; john 8:1, 2; 10:30) such a person would naturally be too famous and too crowd-pulling against whom even the influential people were helpless even when they were whipped out of the temple which reminds us of “hollywood rambo style” merely because of his moral authority (not that he had any supernatural powers to perform miracles).. 2) similarly, emerging religion (apostate christianity) too knew they could misuse the name of jesus to serve its commercial agenda.

Ireneus

Hi doubtfull1799,

If Romans knew Jesus was not a historical person, using his name to market their product of slavery would only backfire on them. If someone makes a counterfeit currency, it shows original currency is more real than the counterfeit currency.

The historical Jesus was like a sage/prophet who taught the principles of humanism--not a performer of miracles. He lived long enough and died a natural death (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9w-xJfSOyc)

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JEHOVAH - The biggest racist in history!?

by stuckinarut2 in

many people like to boast about “jehovah being loving and impartial toward all”.

there are even scriptures that say words to that effect.. however, if we look at just his actual conduct and actions , and not accept the words supposedly written by his apologetic “bible writers”, the facts tell us something else!.

firstly, he chose one special nation and race of people.

Ireneus

The fact that the Bible is the basis for over 41000 conflicted Christian sects shows that no subject can be conclusively proved with the help of Bible—not to mention the true identity of God because in one place it would depict Him as racist and in another place it would say “He is partial to none.” (Deut 10:17) Like stories, Bible too is for our awakening, not for our education. It depicts the relationship between cause and consequences giving us a graphic description of how the Jews’ claim of being God’s people was proved wrong by the natural working of laws/forces of nature. Babylonian Empire and Roman Empire disproved the claim of Jews with careless ease in 586 BC and 70 CE respectively. This shows law of cause and consequences (not God) does rule the world. Existence of this law is like the existence of dark matter and dark energy which we can discern only by their effects--they don't interact with baryonic matter and they are completely invisible to light and other forms of electromagnetic radiation, making them impossible to detect with current instruments.

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Jesus—a real, historical person

by Ireneus in

jesus was a real and historical person (not the way jws or the rest of the people think him to be) because of the following historical facts:.

1) the fact that the most influential political establishment of that time (roman empire) was convinced that jesus’ name would sell to suit their political agenda (to promote slavery) shows that jesus was as historical as roman empire itself; hence they implanted slavery-friendly verses into the bible as though spoken by jesus (such as mathew 5:39, 41; 24:45 ..etc) this was in contrast to the real personality jesus really was—he was a man of courage, who ‘walked alone to do what is right if those invited refused to accompany him.’ when his family and disciples were fond of sleeping, his delight was to spend early morning hours alone, in meditation, with god to the extent he could say he was “one” with qualities of god.

(mark 1:35; john 8:1, 2; 10:30) such a person would naturally be too famous and too crowd-pulling against whom even the influential people were helpless even when they were whipped out of the temple which reminds us of “hollywood rambo style” merely because of his moral authority (not that he had any supernatural powers to perform miracles).. 2) similarly, emerging religion (apostate christianity) too knew they could misuse the name of jesus to serve its commercial agenda.

Ireneus

Hi Phizzy, Hairtrigger

Whether something belongs to myths or not is not important because stories, scriptures, mythologies, history and even science all revolve around the relationship between cause and consequences. Hence those who take into account the consequences before performing are acting wisely. The principle of cause and consequences suggests that many of the things written about Jesus in the Bible (such as slavery-friendly verses, ransom sacrifice, miracles …) are fictitious, attributed to Jesus, whereas other things are true, principles of humanism (such as Mathew 7:12; 25:31-46 …etc) which would benefit the readers because they are there for our awakening rather than for our education.

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JW's - Are you in a "THEOCRATIC arrangement" or an AUTOCRATIC one?

by The Fall Guy in

i now know which system i was under!.

theocratic/theocracy: a system of government in which priests rule in the name of god or a god.

(oxford dictionary).

Ireneus

Autocracy because they display a total disregard towards feeling of others--including God. Look at the way they take the name of God in vain. Everything they do in the name of Jehovah. All their literature, gateway to their property, their buildings ... Etc contain Jehovah's Name. Even when the pedophilic cases are fought, God's Name is dragged into the filth.

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Jesus—a real, historical person

by Ireneus in

jesus was a real and historical person (not the way jws or the rest of the people think him to be) because of the following historical facts:.

1) the fact that the most influential political establishment of that time (roman empire) was convinced that jesus’ name would sell to suit their political agenda (to promote slavery) shows that jesus was as historical as roman empire itself; hence they implanted slavery-friendly verses into the bible as though spoken by jesus (such as mathew 5:39, 41; 24:45 ..etc) this was in contrast to the real personality jesus really was—he was a man of courage, who ‘walked alone to do what is right if those invited refused to accompany him.’ when his family and disciples were fond of sleeping, his delight was to spend early morning hours alone, in meditation, with god to the extent he could say he was “one” with qualities of god.

(mark 1:35; john 8:1, 2; 10:30) such a person would naturally be too famous and too crowd-pulling against whom even the influential people were helpless even when they were whipped out of the temple which reminds us of “hollywood rambo style” merely because of his moral authority (not that he had any supernatural powers to perform miracles).. 2) similarly, emerging religion (apostate christianity) too knew they could misuse the name of jesus to serve its commercial agenda.

Ireneus

Steve2,

That could be true. Interesting point.

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Jesus—a real, historical person

by Ireneus in

jesus was a real and historical person (not the way jws or the rest of the people think him to be) because of the following historical facts:.

1) the fact that the most influential political establishment of that time (roman empire) was convinced that jesus’ name would sell to suit their political agenda (to promote slavery) shows that jesus was as historical as roman empire itself; hence they implanted slavery-friendly verses into the bible as though spoken by jesus (such as mathew 5:39, 41; 24:45 ..etc) this was in contrast to the real personality jesus really was—he was a man of courage, who ‘walked alone to do what is right if those invited refused to accompany him.’ when his family and disciples were fond of sleeping, his delight was to spend early morning hours alone, in meditation, with god to the extent he could say he was “one” with qualities of god.

(mark 1:35; john 8:1, 2; 10:30) such a person would naturally be too famous and too crowd-pulling against whom even the influential people were helpless even when they were whipped out of the temple which reminds us of “hollywood rambo style” merely because of his moral authority (not that he had any supernatural powers to perform miracles).. 2) similarly, emerging religion (apostate christianity) too knew they could misuse the name of jesus to serve its commercial agenda.

Ireneus

Cofty,

It shows you really understood the basis of my reasoning.

I have removed all the impurities the world conveniently heaped upon Jesus

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I sometimes wonder what the world would be like if "Religion" had never reared it`s head.?

by smiddy3 in

can you imagine what the world of mankind would be like if their was never any concept of a god or religious beliefs ?.

for the love of me i can`t ,maybe i don`t have an imaginative mind equipped well enough to do so .. how about you guys ?

any takers ?.

Ireneus

Religions are not a must for one to have a religious feeling.

1) When our knowledge about our own habitat increases we realize earth is fine-tuned not only for our sustenance but also for our enjoyment. This inspires us to fine-tune all our actions (thinking, speaking, and acting) for the welfare of all.

2) When our knowledge about our universe increases we realize that earth is only a dust-sized in comparison with the vast universe, which means we have no sound basis to cultivate ego which makes life (own and of others) a hell.

These two are the very basis of spirituality.

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Do any of the 144,000 in heaven take part in the destruction at Armageddon?

by Bonnie_Clyde in

i wondered about that when i heard garret loesch state that shortly before the tribulation the governing body would be taken up.

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if this is the case, it seems like garret and the other seven would be there just in time to help out in the killing of billions.. i thought they used to say that some would survive armageddon before they were taken up..

Ireneus

Without God doing anything, we are now capable of destroying ourselves, not only through the WMD but also through increasing male infertility due to pollution and use of devices such as cell phones ... (https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1111/andr.12198)

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You have to smile at the irony of this article!!

by The Fall Guy in

awake 22nd april 1970 p. 8 changes that disturb people .

"why is there this decline in religion?

…..millions of persons have been shocked to learn that things they were taught as being vital for salvation are now considered by their church to be wrong....a businessman in medellín, colombia, expressed the effect the changes have had on many......"just ten years ago we catholics had the absolute truth, we put all our faith in this.

Ireneus

This is the problem with those making religious positions as their career. In spirituality, one cannot keep on giving new truths. He would go on updating and updating finally reaching where he has to repeat the whole thing from the beginning.

Easy and practical way is to go into silence and in that silence one can hear the truth directly from God, as Jesus himself taught with his life. (Mark 1:35; John 8:1)