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  Calling Cofty and others regarding evolution

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  1. jw
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  so i have started down the path of trying to understand evolution, and to get the linear lies that the jws planted in my head out of it.

  i bought an audiobook called "evolution: what the fossils say and why it matters" by donald prothero.

  i heard it recommended on an atheist podcast that i listened to.

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  @cofty: Your right Tononi suggests that IIT lends credence to panpsychism but the quote you just posted says the exact opposite of the conclusion you came to that 'rocks and humans are fundamentally different in terms of consciousness'.

  this makes no damn sense. Rocks and humans are fundamentally different (fundamentally different: fundamentally different in terms of Phi) because one has a brain and the other does not, something which is fundamental to Professor Tononis theory.

  Are you seriously suggesting that according to his theory a rock and a human are the same in terms of consciousness?
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  Calling Cofty and others regarding evolution

  by dubstepped in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so i have started down the path of trying to understand evolution, and to get the linear lies that the jws planted in my head out of it.

  i bought an audiobook called "evolution: what the fossils say and why it matters" by donald prothero.

  i heard it recommended on an atheist podcast that i listened to.

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  @cofty: Actually panpsychism posits that any aggregate - humans or chairs - is conscious in exactly the same way.

  Not true. read the article dammit. the entire point of stuff like integrated information is to distinguish conscious systems from those that are not in a scientific manner.

  It is nothing but desperation on the part of a few philosophers

  proof you didn't read the article which cite neuroscientists...

  you are stuck discussing a straw version of the idea. either educate yourself a bit or admit you are not really interested in learning something new...
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  Calling Cofty and others regarding evolution

  by dubstepped in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so i have started down the path of trying to understand evolution, and to get the linear lies that the jws planted in my head out of it.

  i bought an audiobook called "evolution: what the fossils say and why it matters" by donald prothero.

  i heard it recommended on an atheist podcast that i listened to.

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  hothabanero

  I have read the article and there is no connection. Stop bullshitting.

  integrated information theory is a form of panpsychism AARGHHHGGHHGG!!!! From the article you supposedly read:

  One of the most popular and credible contemporary neuroscience theories on consciousness, Giulio Tononi’s Integrated Information Theory, further lends credence to panpsychism. Tononi argues that something will have a form of “consciousness” if the information contained within the structure is sufficiently “integrated,” or unified, and so the whole is more than the sum of its parts. Because it applies to all structures—not just the human brain—Integrated Information Theory shares the panpsychist view that physical matter has innate conscious experience.

  
  
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  Calling Cofty and others regarding evolution

  by dubstepped in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so i have started down the path of trying to understand evolution, and to get the linear lies that the jws planted in my head out of it.

  i bought an audiobook called "evolution: what the fossils say and why it matters" by donald prothero.

  i heard it recommended on an atheist podcast that i listened to.

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  @cofty: Rocks are not conscious

  the point of something like integrated information theory and modern views of panpsychism is exactly to make it clear why rocks and humans are fundamentally different in terms of consciousness. you do get that basic point right?
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  Calling Cofty and others regarding evolution

  by dubstepped in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so i have started down the path of trying to understand evolution, and to get the linear lies that the jws planted in my head out of it.

  i bought an audiobook called "evolution: what the fossils say and why it matters" by donald prothero.

  i heard it recommended on an atheist podcast that i listened to.

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  @Cofty: if you had read the article you would know it so why don't you start there?
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  Calling Cofty and others regarding evolution

  by dubstepped in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so i have started down the path of trying to understand evolution, and to get the linear lies that the jws planted in my head out of it.

  i bought an audiobook called "evolution: what the fossils say and why it matters" by donald prothero.

  i heard it recommended on an atheist podcast that i listened to.

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  hothabanero

  Where can I read about your view of consciousness which is far superior than panpsychism?
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  Calling Cofty and others regarding evolution

  by dubstepped in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so i have started down the path of trying to understand evolution, and to get the linear lies that the jws planted in my head out of it.

  i bought an audiobook called "evolution: what the fossils say and why it matters" by donald prothero.

  i heard it recommended on an atheist podcast that i listened to.

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  @cofty: I have actually presented information in the form of two links..

  you are the person who don't present information asides your own opinion and straw men.

  To me, it seems you just assume I am some kind of idiot and everything I say is based on a very shallow understanding. OK thats cool I can work with that. If that is true, you should very easily be able to demonstrate it by having a reasonable discussion, so lets do that like grown ups instead of asking silly tasks of each other?

  what is your refutation of integrated information theory for instance?
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  Calling Cofty and others regarding evolution

  by dubstepped in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so i have started down the path of trying to understand evolution, and to get the linear lies that the jws planted in my head out of it.

  i bought an audiobook called "evolution: what the fossils say and why it matters" by donald prothero.

  i heard it recommended on an atheist podcast that i listened to.

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  it is a bit funny that you are always asking creationists to post what books they have read and if they haven't read the books you like you treat it like a huge victory... but in this case you can't even be bothered to do research on your own but must have it all spoon fed.

  much standard, so double!
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  Calling Cofty and others regarding evolution

  by dubstepped in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so i have started down the path of trying to understand evolution, and to get the linear lies that the jws planted in my head out of it.

  i bought an audiobook called "evolution: what the fossils say and why it matters" by donald prothero.

  i heard it recommended on an atheist podcast that i listened to.

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  hothabanero

  @Cofty: There is no science involved in the woo-woo of panpsychism

  ok. so none of this is science?

  you don't think the people who come up with this stuff are scientists?

  bc it sure looks like they write this stuff in science publications...

  http://integratedinformationtheory.org

  "If you disagree go start a thread and tell us specifically what it is all about"

  you behave like a salty old schoolteacher who can give us homework. I am under no obligation to carry out any silly task you decide to task me with and which would require considerable investment on my part.

  before I do that u must clearly specify what your position is on the above research so I even know if there is something to discuss...
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  Calling Cofty and others regarding evolution

  by dubstepped in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so i have started down the path of trying to understand evolution, and to get the linear lies that the jws planted in my head out of it.

  i bought an audiobook called "evolution: what the fossils say and why it matters" by donald prothero.

  i heard it recommended on an atheist podcast that i listened to.

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  hothabanero

  I have read the article and I think it is interesting and worth considering for those with an open mind & genuine interest in the subject. if you are willing to discuss the science, I will be happy to do that. But your straw men isn't really an argument...