Hi Stuckinarut2,
Sure would...I would love it...we could make gang signs from across the hall..
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CO visit; going to meeting.
by SG098 inhello everyone!just a little background info, i haven't been to a meeting in over a year.
my wife has asked me to go with her tonight to help watch our son since it's the circuit overseers visit...my wife wants to be able to pay attention and get something out of the meeting since our son is 1yr old he can be a handful some times.. a few things of note about the situation:.
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tor1500
Hi All,
Just think many will read about shunning on their site, & they think by saying it's a loving thing to do...that cleans it up...but just think...many will read that & say, why would I join a religion that shuns/DF'd because of.......you can fill in the blanks...that's not a good way to attract folks...most folks know they may mess up & so they feel what the heck why join them, I'll most likely get shunned for one thing or another...But then their are others that love this arrangement...some folks have a vengeful heart...they love folks to get their come upp'ins...except when it comes to them....I've heard many say, well if they don't listen, they find out when The GB/Amar (can't spell it) & the door will be closed & they will be destroyed...& folks, when they say it, they say it with no pity or any sorrow ...that's sad. What kind of folks look forward to others being destroyed, what type of person feels this is a good thing...Jesus felt pity for folks...he never said...if you don't listen to me..My Dad & I are going to get you..just keep it up...but doesn't the bible say that God or Jehovah doesn't wish anyone to be destroyed but yet humans (some not all) love the idea...Again, what kinds of persons are these...that love come upp'ins or they'll get theirs attitude...
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CO visit; going to meeting.
by SG098 inhello everyone!just a little background info, i haven't been to a meeting in over a year.
my wife has asked me to go with her tonight to help watch our son since it's the circuit overseers visit...my wife wants to be able to pay attention and get something out of the meeting since our son is 1yr old he can be a handful some times.. a few things of note about the situation:.
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tor1500
Hi SG098,
I had my CO visit last eve. also...same talk... "The media which is part of Satan's inspired error, lies and twists the truth about JWs. (This to me is damage control since the ARC") I felt the same way when the co said this...I said, oh they are setting up the friends that if the ARC leaks out this side of the world. Clever....Of course I'm wondering if you and I are in the same congregation....but don't want to give myself up as of yet. Were there many CO visits this week ? What I love about the CO visit is how the friends really put on their best...yet, they criticize the Catholics regarding the Pope, yet the friends, get all holy & treat the CO, like he's THE POPE or something...sometimes you can't even get to meet them because some of the brown nosers hog up their time...like they are in with them...So immature....He & his wife are just human...that's what they say about the Pope...But man do they put on the dog. I don't worship man, because they will disappoint you ever single time. If you could or would you even post the bad video...I want to know who this was, without blowing our cover...But I feel good that you heard exactly what I heard...Damage Control..If you listen to the talk carefully, very clever how he presented it & if you aren't too swift, you'll think this talk was brilliant. But if you are a thinker & know what this org. is all about..you know exactly what he wasn't saying...I have said this in many of my replies...most folks are there because they really & truly think that God chose this org. That's why they are there..why else...nobody would stay anywhere where they keep admitting their errors, & not say to themselves...Ummm, something ain't right.. If tomorrow the org. would start to believe in the trinity, many eyebrows would raise, but because it's God's org. (he speaks directly to them:FDS) they will stay...Many folks in life feel they have no importance...& the org. gives them that feeling...of being special, needed & many of them tossed out their worldly friends so all they have is the org. They needed this special feeling since birth...& if they didn't get in the hall...they would have found it somewhere else...we all need to feel important...but some more than others..hope to hear from you SG098...
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Revisions to the Faithful & Discreet Slave.
by Ben131895 inhttp://avoidjw.org/2015/12/revisions-faithful-discreet-slave/
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Hi All,
I'm a witness....& I know that The FDS is just a parable...& they know it too...it's that no one has ever called them on it or should I say they may have & because they are so arrogant & ignorant at the same time...& this is a dangerous combination...they won't give-in. “Who really is the faithful and discreet* slave whom his master appointed over his domestics, to give them their food at the proper time? Isn't this a this a question ? How can one build on this scripture & base their religion on a question ? & when was this questioned asked & who in the org. answered it or took it upon themselves to answer. This is a parable for those then & now to understand what Jesus is saying here...it wasn't intended for anyone to insert their name their, if so, the Scripture would read:“____ is the faithful and discreet* slave whom his master appointed over his domestics, to give them their food at the proper time? They org. keeps changing things because of Technology...many people read up on JW.org & so are trying to appeal to the masses. But I think one day, a question will be from a reader & you best believe they won't ever post it in the WT or Awake ....The question or statement will be...This is just a parable & you shouldn't take it upon yourselves to say you are. They may print it but put their own spin on it. If one has to keep re-explaining their doctrine, something isn't right. I think they dug to deep into the scriptures to be different they dug too far...& now they have shot themselves in the foot. I know they are not the FDS or God's chosen...& I'm ok with that...The scriptures give me peace to endure what I may go through in this life whether it be good or bad...Jesus had more on his plate than I do...I'm not perfect but Jesus did say, Peace I give you, Peace I leave you...& I'm taking it...The org. can spin the bible anyway they want, but I can read...I listen but don't take heed to everything they say. I don't have a need to be in a chosen group. I just like the friends & the association. The org. did show my how to have my OWN relationship with God, not their relationship. There isn't any FDS class, the anointed say they are but how would we know ? So let them think who they are...it gets them through their day, they couldn't just be Joe Blow in the org. & This is just another reason the friends don't know anything...they keep changing....what's true today is not true tomorrow...but they say, well at least we admit our errors....oh really, if you follow God's holy spirit, who's lying to who ? God doesn't change but people change how they hear.
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Watchtower crackdown on anointed expansion - are they reaching for a solution to the expanding numbers problem?
by slimboyfat inif this has been discussed i missed it.
i think the january study watchtower is a concerted attempt to reduce the numbers claiming to be anointed.
but i love the sneaky way they go about it this time.
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Hi,
Here's something to think about...so some of them (men) think they are anointed...So, they have already decided, they won't be with their wife & kids in the resurrection...how does that work ? You spend x amount of years with your spouse, & look forward to seeing them in the new system, that's is comforting, yet one day your hubby says, Ah, I'm one of the 144,000...how does that play out ? How does the wife feel...do you feel she feels good about this...I don't think so....could that be why God said about the 144,000, that they wouldn't be defiled by woment, ummm...could that be he didn't want anyone to leave a love one on earth while they are heaven..just a thought...Once while I was at the meeting...a sister next to me looked at the year book to see the number of anointed...she kept looking & looking, so I said, is the # going up or down ? She said up...but I could see that her brain was scrambling...She is a die hard witness...she couldn't tell me because she knew something wasn't right. They put too much faith in man....many of them know but afraid to admit, this may not be the truth....It may just kill them if it wasn't....so they hold on to the dream...
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People who are happy in the org
by jhine ini don't know if i can put my musings clearly into words , but i' ll try to be coherant !
on a couple of other threads lately folk have said that they have no wish to disenchant jws who are happy in the org .
those who have no personal problems and are content to stay in , thinking that it is good way to live and the nearest thing to the truth .
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tor1500
Hi,
"It's good til it's bad. What I mean by that is the spell you're unknowingly under can seem or even be happy or joyous until there's some event that chips away at this perceived happiness. What's the event? A loved one is treated harshly or even disfellowshipped. A major injury or illness strikes and your very life is at stake as you must refuse blood . You child is in danger and the mishandling by the body and the organization leave a very poor taste in your mouth."
This is a true statement...they are happy as long as all is well...but let something happen that they feel is unfair, you'll see a different side to them. I'm also tired of them saying...well they are imperfect. I've come across situations where a brother may have said or done something...I would say, I wonder why so & so...but the friends will say, well, he is imperfect...but when it happens to them, they say something entirely different...I told them I learned the statement from you guys...Well, he or she is imperfect. When a one of the friends come to me to say something about the org. or an Elder, etc, I'll just chant what they chanted to me...Well, they are imperfect, & they'll say well, it's more than that....& they want you to agree. But, when it's your turn, they'll tell your...The Chant...so I told them one day...was is that excuse good for you & not me...(more crickets). I don't think any of them are chosen by God, even mass murderers feel they are chosen to do what they do....that's kind of scary isn't it. Sinners & Saints, using the same line & the same God....There is a certain breed of person that is attracted to this org. Why I'm here, who knows...I wasn't depressed on anything when I came into the truth. I knew that had some of the truth but not all...& I love my congregation....I know some of us are crazy but most are nice crazy...But I wouldn't sleep on any of them....I pray to God to say, If this is not where I belong...help...but don't have me DF'd...
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The Watchtower is not invincible
by Coded Logic indespite claims to the contrary, there's no guarantee the watchtower will be around in a few decades time.
and it seems to me there's ever mounting evidence that the opposite may well be true.
but it's not just that recruitment is down and their defectors are up.
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tor1500
Hi All,
I'm a witness & we are told to not look on the internet, because they are lies..Well, my reply is: "Are all of them lying"...We live in an information age, people can read now....There was a time when folks could only read the instructions or the back of a medicine bottle, but not so now....Even folks that live in the jungle can read. LOL. I'm not sure if the Org. can survive in this information age. The young folks today are different. They are not from the generation of being seen & not heard. Some will just go along to get along. I know they know TATT, but just holding tongue. Nothing on this earth is invincible.....Look the catholic religion is still going strong...but they didn't toot their horn like the org. & say, we are God's chosen....that's the difference. The org. can still go on but just admit that they were wrong, that's all there is to it...but, The pride comes before the fall. They tell us to keep it simple but yet they are still building...if the end is coming, what's the point? Maybe they don't think this is the last days either. To illustrate...LOL...(we are all familiar with that statement), If a person works for a company & they tell you that business isn't good yet, the higher up(s), go on vacation, get a bigger office, basically just rub it in your face....That's what the org. is doing...they are telling us how to live yet all the while, the higher ups are living large. The sad part is the friends, don't even notice...or should I say, they do, but don't say anything, the org always comes out smelling like a rose...why ? Because most of the friends...no I should say all of them think this is God's organization...so it's ok to build & spend money Because God said it's ok. They can't separate God & man...that's just one of the problems...if you speak against the org. you are speaking against God...Once I told them I'm not questioning God, I'm questioning MAN....(crickets).
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People who are happy in the org
by jhine ini don't know if i can put my musings clearly into words , but i' ll try to be coherant !
on a couple of other threads lately folk have said that they have no wish to disenchant jws who are happy in the org .
those who have no personal problems and are content to stay in , thinking that it is good way to live and the nearest thing to the truth .
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tor1500
Hi All,
I'm kind of new, was away for a while but now back...I'm a witness, & here is my observation. Many of you know of the TMS School, Right? On most of the demo's the sisters do have to do with "Sadness", Depression" along those lines. The talk usually starts out like this...Hi sister So & So...How are you ? Then the householder says, Ah, Sister, I'm going through this, I'm sad because of that...I'm depressed because of this. So doesn't that sound that only ones attracted to the truth are the depressed souls & nobody is attracted to the Truth if they are happy. Only once or twice I saw a talk that was developed in a positive tone...The brother told her it was good, but. So I spoke to her later (young sister) & she said, she didn't want to develop the talk like a "Debbie Downer"...she wanted to put a positive spin on it. I'm a happy witness, not because I'm a witness but because Jehovah brings me peace. I deal with everyday as it comes. Having faith does not exempt you from not being happy all the time...we all have good days & bad days. What I noticed is most witnesses are sick in one way or another. I haven't met a well adjusted one yet. What depresses me being a witness, is that they are blinded by the org. & allow them to tell them what the scriptures mean. They are afraid to speak up. The truth has lead me to the real truth. CARE FOR ONE ANOTHER, EVEN IF THEY AREN'T WITNESSES. Yes, some witnesses are happy & that's only because things are going their way, just wait until their faith gets tested..When someone you know dies, they say well, we have the hope of everlasting life & to see our dead ones again...they can tell you that, but when it happens to them, they say, this world is horrible...Satan is so wicked, & so on. Most of the time they just say, I'm hanging in there. For some this is the last stop for faith, if the org. disappoints them, they are done. They put all their faith & stock in The ORG. not God. Just like the Jews...they couldn't follow God unless they could see something..something to point to, to say, That's God..Same as JW's, they need the FDS, Bethel, literature....They can't walk by faith & not sight. To be honest that's most people. It is difficult to believe in something you can 't see. When JW's (me included) knock on doors....you never know who'll you'll meet, but if it's on the weekend, it's folks just trying to make a living & only have 2 days, to do the stuff they can't do during the week. If you knock on a door on a weekday, most folks are working, the others are either disabled, nuts/crazy...or depressed & can't function in this everyday life. So what are we really attracting? This is a religion of lost souls that never will be found, whatever is going on in them, will never be changed, it was before they became a witness. I look around my congregation & there isn't anyone that doesn't suffer from something or another...I'm very blessed that I don't have too many issues & if I do, I don't subject them to others, if possible. I may not have a good day but I don't go in the hall & don't speak, I may not be my happy self but I'm not rude. When folks don't speak or are rude or that they don't seem the same, the friends go, Well, they must be going through something...that just seems to be the chant...like that should excuse them. Ain't nobody in this world that's not going through one thing or another...Jesus, only knew he had a short time here, he knew he was going to die, but was he ever rude, NO. Had anyone in the bible say, I saw Jesus, but he didn't speak..NO. And he had more on his mind then we do. Not to say we don't have bad days, but no excuse for being rude. I also know everyone isn't the same & we all handle things differently. That's a given, but just a simple Hi, that's all, and after that, you can go back to your problem. So, are JW's happy, some are & some not..& that's the world itself...Some folks are happy & some folks no matter what...They will never be happy. How happy could one be if all you do is say, well, this is the last days....& the days just keep coming...& you have been saying this for almost 30 or so years...Eventually, your happiness, just might fade. Some are ok, because, being in the congregation is the only so-called love they have ever experienced, some don't even get love from their families, etc. & We all know that JW's love bomb you in the beginning...but again, we all know after you are baptized, they move on to the next unbaptized person...& if one is not secure in ones self it could be a let down. The halls are just a smaller taste of what the world is really like. Backbiting, lying, adultery, you name it...it's in the org. Satan is everywhere & is free to go where he wants...I've said it on a few topix...what I notice is that most like being in the org. as a badge of honor...they are in God's org. That's it right there. They could start believing in the trinity & a few eyebrows would raise but folks would still stay. We can't put any faith in man....they will disappoint you every time...
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41 Theses on Blood: My "best of" questions/arguments on JW Blood Ban
by Check_Your_Premises inon the earth you should pour it out as water.. from these verses it is clear that there is an old testament prohibition against eating blood.
if not, why do you think it is sacred?
so whenever a person took the life of an animal, they were to drain the blood and not drink it because the blood represents the life and not theirs to take without god's permission.
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tor1500
Hi All,
I'm new yet not...I was on this site a few years ago....I was reading so much that I couldn't keep up. No, I didn't stop reading because I was drinking the kool-aide. My head was swimming from all the information I read on here..But now I'm back. Regarding Blood....umm...this just came to my mind a while ago...abstaining from blood. Well, of all the things in the bible to abstain from...The JW's chose blood...They call it sacrifice. There are 10 million things in the bible that tell us what to do & what not to do. We are not supposed to lie, we are too help one another, & so on...now, in a persons' life, what are the chances that they would need a blood transfusion ? Most folks go thru life and don't need a transfusion...again, I'm not saying that in ones life it can't happen. So the JW's pick something out of the bible that may least likely to happen. Which leaves them with countless things they can do...of which they don't. Their biggest problem is LOVE...they don't have it for one another or anyone else for that matter. I have heard all their stuff about the blood issue & how they are really hard core about it...but if a person needs $$ or a ride home, or just a hug...No they won't do that. Many of JW's may not have been brought up in a loving home. I'm at the hall, & many of them are related but don't sit next to one another...sometimes you don't even know they are related. Re: The Blood issue it's easy to do, because it doesn't come up that much. They are hard-core about Blood, but not about LOVE (umm, I think that rhymes). What I notice about JW's & yes I'm one, but yet, I don't fit in, they don't care the doctrine, the bible, the changes, the ARC, any of this stuff...They are in God's organization, & that's all it amounts to. Many of them have no power outside the org. so this being a part of God's org. is their badge of honor. I'm sitting there week after week, we are read letter after letter...Give more, if you can. This change & that change...No one talks of ARC, yet many know personally, that this has happened to someone they know in the org. They always say other folks are blind because Satan is blinding them...I believe that about the JW's, they are blind but it's because they want to be blind, because they are a part of an elite crowd....God's Chosen...that's it in a nutshell...Thank Goodness Jesus didn't have any children, because half them fools would think they are a descendant of Jesus...That's how proud and haughty man is. So back to the blood issue. A while back someone on this site said this...how profound..."Abstaining from life-saving blood transfusion, and not thinking to ask. Didn't Jesus say that we should break a law when a life was at stake. (example: pulling a stranded sheep out of a pit on the Sabbath day" )I would love to say that to a witness & see their reaction....PRICELESS...there are many folks who work in the medical field & don't take blood transfusions, but not because God said it. God said a lot of things...this blood issue is because back then, those folks were kind of heathen, they ate blood, they bled folks because they thought that they may have a evil spirit in them, they bled folks for medical issues as well...They didn't know any better. We do...Again, of all the things in the bible to do or not to do...The JW's chose the Blood...amazing.
Tor
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Is zeal beginning to vanish?
by Caupon init has to be starting to fade somehow.
the very last time i went out in field service, hardly any were out.
maybe just about nine people were out and man if you could just see their faces.
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tor1500
Hi All,
Great comments, way better than you would hear at the hall...I think what keeps me sane is coming to this site. I was on a few years ago, but just stopped, not for any particular reason, just did...but kept reading & that's what keeps me sane in the org. Knowing that others feel as I do, & on this site, you can say how you feel with out the JW police looking down your throat. I would love others to know about this site, but as you know...can't because, you will be looked at cross-eyed. Sometimes I wonder if anyone from my congregation is on here. The zeal of the congregation is not going away. Avon, Fullerbrush man, all those door to door business has taken it to another level. Why do they still have field service ? To keep us busy, while they take our money & give it to the child abuse victims...& that's a good thing...but why hide it...I know why $$$$...I go out in service & we are happy because we are with each other. I think most of us know, ain't nobody interested in us. That is another thing that bothers JW's. They are not persecuted like they would like to be. No one cares about JW's. They are cleaning up a lot of stuff...because they are on the internet now...They want to attract folks so they have to look more friendlier than they really are. If anyone reads: JW.org, find out we shun, no holidays, no blood, & countless other things that won't attract anyone. I'm hoping the younger generation, will make a change in the org. & I see it now...especially with their comments...they are very different than the older ones..What I really hope from the Org. is for them to mind their business, preach the word, stay out of folk's bedrooms & their lives...we are all accountable for ourselves...As many have said on this site...They control with fear...Again, I believe the Bible even though at times, I say, Why did Jehovah kill all them folks...but the part of the bible that talks about caring for our fellow man...now that's what interest me...Who cares about that other stuff, Daniels dream, Solomon had a lot of wives...stuff like that....At the end of the day, it's how we treat one another. We could all ask ourselves, if we saw someone in need, what would we do ? Take away all the JW stuff, what would you do.
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