Posts by tor1500

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Umbertoecho here.

by umbertoecho in

hello people.. i'm tired and a bit sick at the moment but i can't let anyone think that this is going to go away.... i am able to tell you a few things in order to prevent any confusion in the minds of those who are thinking that nothing will come of this arc;that nothing will effect the wtbts in america and other places.. i have been there and given my testimony.

helen milroy and her assistants were there along with another group of people who are there to lend assistance if you crack up at any time during or after the hearing.

i did not crack up but can see how this happens.. security is tight and anonymity is sacred to them as they want to protect all who come forward.

tor1500

@ the Girl Next door,

Thanks for the link...very interesting...so the CNN reporters in Australia don't talk to the US CNN Reporters...Ummm interesting. I would think they would because it needs to be addressed here. When someone escapes from prison anywhere...aren't all countries alerted, for safety purposes. Wouldn't one Australian reporter contact someone in the US (CNN office), to give them a heads-up. Or could it be it's big news for them not to be shared. There is another site that one of the JW's is from Australia , someone asked about the ARC & he said it wasn't what it looked like. I've gone on this site & it's been very quiet for almost a year. But mainly since The ARC. They used to fuss & fight on this site, but it's very quiet. To be honest the site has been quiet since many of the changes of 2015. Guess they've run out of ammunition. Sometimes I think God is protecting this org. but I thought he wasn't partial.

Tor

62

Umbertoecho here.

by umbertoecho in

hello people.. i'm tired and a bit sick at the moment but i can't let anyone think that this is going to go away.... i am able to tell you a few things in order to prevent any confusion in the minds of those who are thinking that nothing will come of this arc;that nothing will effect the wtbts in america and other places.. i have been there and given my testimony.

helen milroy and her assistants were there along with another group of people who are there to lend assistance if you crack up at any time during or after the hearing.

i did not crack up but can see how this happens.. security is tight and anonymity is sacred to them as they want to protect all who come forward.

tor1500

Hi Sir82,

I guess or should I say I know you are right, we are more concerned about what happens to the Kardashians. How sad. I thought news travel fast, even bad news. I think most know but just know we'll get in trouble if mentioned. Does anyone here know of any one on this side of the world that does know about the ARC even though they don't mention it. I want to say it so bad but I know better. But I kind of like knowing so I'm forewarned when the Brothers say, "Don't believe the media" & why this new Meeting workbook...Just to keep us blind sided. I even like when I come on here & see the letters to be read. Thank goodness, I believe in God/Jesus & not Man. By me believing in God, helps me treat others with kindness, I mean everyone..not just the friends...At times I do wonder if the news will ever reach these parts.

Tor

62

Umbertoecho here.

by umbertoecho in

hello people.. i'm tired and a bit sick at the moment but i can't let anyone think that this is going to go away.... i am able to tell you a few things in order to prevent any confusion in the minds of those who are thinking that nothing will come of this arc;that nothing will effect the wtbts in america and other places.. i have been there and given my testimony.

helen milroy and her assistants were there along with another group of people who are there to lend assistance if you crack up at any time during or after the hearing.

i did not crack up but can see how this happens.. security is tight and anonymity is sacred to them as they want to protect all who come forward.

tor1500

Hi Umbertoecho,

I'm not really new here, just pop-up every now & again...I've been following this ARC case...I feel for you and others...I can't imagine how you feel. I'm a witness as well, but I don't drink the kool-aide...Just want to ask, why hasn't the USA gotten any wind of this situation ? Maybe you have mentioned it before, but I'm curious. How can the society keep this a secret. No one on this side of the earth is talking about it. Maybe they know but can't believe it. Do you ever think this side of the world will ever find out? As you know if you mention it...then the red flag goes up & they want to know when & where you heard it. It boggles the mind that the world knows there is a goat on top of a mountain (thanks to CNN) that needs to be rescued but not this...Hope to hear from you if you like. Will this be swept under the rug ?

Tor

39

CO visit; going to meeting.

by SG098 in

hello everyone!just a little background info, i haven't been to a meeting in over a year.

my wife has asked me to go with her tonight to help watch our son since it's the circuit overseers visit...my wife wants to be able to pay attention and get something out of the meeting since our son is 1yr old he can be a handful some times.. a few things of note about the situation:.

- i'm going to the meeting no matter what.

tor1500

Hi Stuckinarut2,

Sure would...I would love it...we could make gang signs from across the hall..

Tor

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Wt says show principal love by shunning fellow humans.

by poopie in

jw
friends

thoughts

tor1500

Hi All,

Just think many will read about shunning on their site, & they think by saying it's a loving thing to do...that cleans it up...but just think...many will read that & say, why would I join a religion that shuns/DF'd because of.......you can fill in the blanks...that's not a good way to attract folks...most folks know they may mess up & so they feel what the heck why join them, I'll most likely get shunned for one thing or another...But then their are others that love this arrangement...some folks have a vengeful heart...they love folks to get their come upp'ins...except when it comes to them....I've heard many say, well if they don't listen, they find out when The GB/Amar (can't spell it) & the door will be closed & they will be destroyed...& folks, when they say it, they say it with no pity or any sorrow ...that's sad. What kind of folks look forward to others being destroyed, what type of person feels this is a good thing...Jesus felt pity for folks...he never said...if you don't listen to me..My Dad & I are going to get you..just keep it up...but doesn't the bible say that God or Jehovah doesn't wish anyone to be destroyed but yet humans (some not all) love the idea...Again, what kinds of persons are these...that love come upp'ins or they'll get theirs attitude...

Tor

39

CO visit; going to meeting.

by SG098 in

hello everyone!just a little background info, i haven't been to a meeting in over a year.

my wife has asked me to go with her tonight to help watch our son since it's the circuit overseers visit...my wife wants to be able to pay attention and get something out of the meeting since our son is 1yr old he can be a handful some times.. a few things of note about the situation:.

- i'm going to the meeting no matter what.

tor1500

Hi SG098,

I had my CO visit last eve. also...same talk... "The media which is part of Satan's inspired error, lies and twists the truth about JWs. (This to me is damage control since the ARC") I felt the same way when the co said this...I said, oh they are setting up the friends that if the ARC leaks out this side of the world. Clever....Of course I'm wondering if you and I are in the same congregation....but don't want to give myself up as of yet. Were there many CO visits this week ? What I love about the CO visit is how the friends really put on their best...yet, they criticize the Catholics regarding the Pope, yet the friends, get all holy & treat the CO, like he's THE POPE or something...sometimes you can't even get to meet them because some of the brown nosers hog up their time...like they are in with them...So immature....He & his wife are just human...that's what they say about the Pope...But man do they put on the dog. I don't worship man, because they will disappoint you ever single time. If you could or would you even post the bad video...I want to know who this was, without blowing our cover...But I feel good that you heard exactly what I heard...Damage Control..If you listen to the talk carefully, very clever how he presented it & if you aren't too swift, you'll think this talk was brilliant. But if you are a thinker & know what this org. is all about..you know exactly what he wasn't saying...I have said this in many of my replies...most folks are there because they really & truly think that God chose this org. That's why they are there..why else...nobody would stay anywhere where they keep admitting their errors, & not say to themselves...Ummm, something ain't right.. If tomorrow the org. would start to believe in the trinity, many eyebrows would raise, but because it's God's org. (he speaks directly to them:FDS) they will stay...Many folks in life feel they have no importance...& the org. gives them that feeling...of being special, needed & many of them tossed out their worldly friends so all they have is the org. They needed this special feeling since birth...& if they didn't get in the hall...they would have found it somewhere else...we all need to feel important...but some more than others..hope to hear from you SG098...

Tor

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Revisions to the Faithful & Discreet Slave.

by Ben131895 in

http://avoidjw.org/2015/12/revisions-faithful-discreet-slave/

tor1500

Hi All,

I'm a witness....& I know that The FDS is just a parable...& they know it too...it's that no one has ever called them on it or should I say they may have & because they are so arrogant & ignorant at the same time...& this is a dangerous combination...they won't give-in. “Who really is the faithful and discreet* slave whom his master appointed over his domestics, to give them their food at the proper time? Isn't this a this a question ? How can one build on this scripture & base their religion on a question ? & when was this questioned asked & who in the org. answered it or took it upon themselves to answer. This is a parable for those then & now to understand what Jesus is saying here...it wasn't intended for anyone to insert their name their, if so, the Scripture would read:“____ is the faithful and discreet* slave whom his master appointed over his domestics, to give them their food at the proper time? They org. keeps changing things because of Technology...many people read up on JW.org & so are trying to appeal to the masses. But I think one day, a question will be from a reader & you best believe they won't ever post it in the WT or Awake ....The question or statement will be...This is just a parable & you shouldn't take it upon yourselves to say you are. They may print it but put their own spin on it. If one has to keep re-explaining their doctrine, something isn't right. I think they dug to deep into the scriptures to be different they dug too far...& now they have shot themselves in the foot. I know they are not the FDS or God's chosen...& I'm ok with that...The scriptures give me peace to endure what I may go through in this life whether it be good or bad...Jesus had more on his plate than I do...I'm not perfect but Jesus did say, Peace I give you, Peace I leave you...& I'm taking it...The org. can spin the bible anyway they want, but I can read...I listen but don't take heed to everything they say. I don't have a need to be in a chosen group. I just like the friends & the association. The org. did show my how to have my OWN relationship with God, not their relationship. There isn't any FDS class, the anointed say they are but how would we know ? So let them think who they are...it gets them through their day, they couldn't just be Joe Blow in the org. & This is just another reason the friends don't know anything...they keep changing....what's true today is not true tomorrow...but they say, well at least we admit our errors....oh really, if you follow God's holy spirit, who's lying to who ? God doesn't change but people change how they hear.

Tor

63

Watchtower crackdown on anointed expansion - are they reaching for a solution to the expanding numbers problem?

by slimboyfat in

if this has been discussed i missed it.

i think the january study watchtower is a concerted attempt to reduce the numbers claiming to be anointed.

but i love the sneaky way they go about it this time.

tor1500

Hi,

Here's something to think about...so some of them (men) think they are anointed...So, they have already decided, they won't be with their wife & kids in the resurrection...how does that work ? You spend x amount of years with your spouse, & look forward to seeing them in the new system, that's is comforting, yet one day your hubby says, Ah, I'm one of the 144,000...how does that play out ? How does the wife feel...do you feel she feels good about this...I don't think so....could that be why God said about the 144,000, that they wouldn't be defiled by woment, ummm...could that be he didn't want anyone to leave a love one on earth while they are heaven..just a thought...Once while I was at the meeting...a sister next to me looked at the year book to see the number of anointed...she kept looking & looking, so I said, is the # going up or down ? She said up...but I could see that her brain was scrambling...She is a die hard witness...she couldn't tell me because she knew something wasn't right. They put too much faith in man....many of them know but afraid to admit, this may not be the truth....It may just kill them if it wasn't....so they hold on to the dream...

Tor

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People who are happy in the org

by jhine in

i don't know if i can put my musings clearly into words , but i' ll try to be coherant !

on a couple of other threads lately folk have said that they have no wish to disenchant jws who are happy in the org .

those who have no personal problems and are content to stay in , thinking that it is good way to live and the nearest thing to the truth .

tor1500

Hi,

"It's good til it's bad. What I mean by that is the spell you're unknowingly under can seem or even be happy or joyous until there's some event that chips away at this perceived happiness. What's the event? A loved one is treated harshly or even disfellowshipped. A major injury or illness strikes and your very life is at stake as you must refuse blood . You child is in danger and the mishandling by the body and the organization leave a very poor taste in your mouth."

This is a true statement...they are happy as long as all is well...but let something happen that they feel is unfair, you'll see a different side to them. I'm also tired of them saying...well they are imperfect. I've come across situations where a brother may have said or done something...I would say, I wonder why so & so...but the friends will say, well, he is imperfect...but when it happens to them, they say something entirely different...I told them I learned the statement from you guys...Well, he or she is imperfect. When a one of the friends come to me to say something about the org. or an Elder, etc, I'll just chant what they chanted to me...Well, they are imperfect, & they'll say well, it's more than that....& they want you to agree. But, when it's your turn, they'll tell your...The Chant...so I told them one day...was is that excuse good for you & not me...(more crickets). I don't think any of them are chosen by God, even mass murderers feel they are chosen to do what they do....that's kind of scary isn't it. Sinners & Saints, using the same line & the same God....There is a certain breed of person that is attracted to this org. Why I'm here, who knows...I wasn't depressed on anything when I came into the truth. I knew that had some of the truth but not all...& I love my congregation....I know some of us are crazy but most are nice crazy...But I wouldn't sleep on any of them....I pray to God to say, If this is not where I belong...help...but don't have me DF'd...

Tor

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The Watchtower is not invincible

by Coded Logic in

despite claims to the contrary, there's no guarantee the watchtower will be around in a few decades time.

and it seems to me there's ever mounting evidence that the opposite may well be true.

but it's not just that recruitment is down and their defectors are up.

tor1500

Hi All,

I'm a witness & we are told to not look on the internet, because they are lies..Well, my reply is: "Are all of them lying"...We live in an information age, people can read now....There was a time when folks could only read the instructions or the back of a medicine bottle, but not so now....Even folks that live in the jungle can read. LOL. I'm not sure if the Org. can survive in this information age. The young folks today are different. They are not from the generation of being seen & not heard. Some will just go along to get along. I know they know TATT, but just holding tongue. Nothing on this earth is invincible.....Look the catholic religion is still going strong...but they didn't toot their horn like the org. & say, we are God's chosen....that's the difference. The org. can still go on but just admit that they were wrong, that's all there is to it...but, The pride comes before the fall. They tell us to keep it simple but yet they are still building...if the end is coming, what's the point? Maybe they don't think this is the last days either. To illustrate...LOL...(we are all familiar with that statement), If a person works for a company & they tell you that business isn't good yet, the higher up(s), go on vacation, get a bigger office, basically just rub it in your face....That's what the org. is doing...they are telling us how to live yet all the while, the higher ups are living large. The sad part is the friends, don't even notice...or should I say, they do, but don't say anything, the org always comes out smelling like a rose...why ? Because most of the friends...no I should say all of them think this is God's organization...so it's ok to build & spend money Because God said it's ok. They can't separate God & man...that's just one of the problems...if you speak against the org. you are speaking against God...Once I told them I'm not questioning God, I'm questioning MAN....(crickets).

Tor