Posts by tor1500

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The Jewish perspective of the OT according to poster David_Jay

by deegee in

i note your comments in the following threads regarding the jewish perspective on certain old testament (ot) events:.

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5700922233585664/when-you-stop-think-about-why-would-gods-chosen-people-old-testament-need-army?page=1&size=10 ,.

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/6065451475927040/why-didnt-god-also-reveal-himself-canaanites-just-he-did-moses-burning-bush.

tor1500

Hi David_Jay,

I'm back....Even though I'm a witness, I agree with all that you wrote. As you said, JW's want to follow the bible but they should have done their research first..What I see is that they tailored the bible to fit them...just to be set-apart from other religions...I really love your break-down...I'll never be the same. The Society is about control. They want to control your life, if you allow them. Because they know best what God wants...

The Jews challenged God, & guess what? He let them. I can't remember the bible character, but God was going to get rid of all the Jews but Moses or was it Abraham, said, don't do that, why free them then kill them. Now JW's always say God never changes his mind, but in this case he did...come to think of it many times he changed his mind...JW's say God didn't change his mind but....I forget what they say, but hog wash...We are made in his image, so we change our mind & so does God.

I'm not sure what I'm going to do in the future, this JW thing is chocking me...The child abuse thing & other things. It's overwhelming..but I never thought it was God's org. I think I could be & do some much in God's service but being a witness is stifling. I want to walk away but made some good friends, but I know they won't be my friend if I leave...that's ok....just got to get up enough nerve, not to fear man....but I don't want to be DF'd either....I think I'm speaking for many on this site...You are an eye opener...

Keep up the good work, hope this is not the last of you.

Tor

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The Jewish perspective of the OT according to poster David_Jay

by deegee in

i note your comments in the following threads regarding the jewish perspective on certain old testament (ot) events:.

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5700922233585664/when-you-stop-think-about-why-would-gods-chosen-people-old-testament-need-army?page=1&size=10 ,.

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/6065451475927040/why-didnt-god-also-reveal-himself-canaanites-just-he-did-moses-burning-bush.

tor1500

Hi David_Jay,

That was a lot but very informative...I want to thank you so very much for taking the time to explain...

I'll be back to talk to you in a while...more stuff to think about...

Tor

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The Jewish perspective of the OT according to poster David_Jay

by deegee in

i note your comments in the following threads regarding the jewish perspective on certain old testament (ot) events:.

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5700922233585664/when-you-stop-think-about-why-would-gods-chosen-people-old-testament-need-army?page=1&size=10 ,.

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/6065451475927040/why-didnt-god-also-reveal-himself-canaanites-just-he-did-moses-burning-bush.

tor1500

Hi David_Jay,

Wow, what a lot of information. So, after reading all your info. how is one supposed to walk this life out...What does God require of us? Well, for one, I think he wants us to care for one another instead of trying to dominate one another...that's what I get....

Is there going to be a resurrection, a new earth a new heaven ?

What say ye?

Tor

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The Jewish perspective of the OT according to poster David_Jay

by deegee in

i note your comments in the following threads regarding the jewish perspective on certain old testament (ot) events:.

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5700922233585664/when-you-stop-think-about-why-would-gods-chosen-people-old-testament-need-army?page=1&size=10 ,.

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/6065451475927040/why-didnt-god-also-reveal-himself-canaanites-just-he-did-moses-burning-bush.

tor1500

David_Jay,

Thanks so much for the site...I'll will check into it...You have been so helpful. I don't think anything would wake up a witness. I'm a witness....but I'm fully aware....I've said it on this site many times...many are not witnesses because of the doctrine, they are witnesses because they believe it is really directed by God...& because in their minds, it's the truth..Let me share something that I read about the Truth...

The truth is a person, not teachings or doctrines. John 14:6: I am the way and the truth & the life. No one comes to the father except through me. or John 1:9-10....

I've always thought to myself...why are people looking outside themselves for the truth...the truth is in you...not in a building, or GB's.

What do you think....but I do thank you for is all your replies.

Tor.

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God's Kingdom Rules & other publications...Have you noticed ????

by tor1500 in

jw
friends

i was just doing my midweek studying...reading god's kingdom rules book...so far has anyone noticed many of the stories mention australia.

page 73 a momentous convention...a convention was held in july of 1931 & it was transmitted via more than 450 radio stations in australia, etc....they seem to mention australia more & more in the wt, books, etc.

this is a set-up...keep on watch...this book is being studied at this time for a reason...how timely.

tor1500

@Steve 2,

I got your point. You make good sense...I'll watch it from now on...but to be more real than right...doesn't the society speculate on some of their doctrine, that's why they say "The light is getting brighter" But again...I'll be more careful. Thanks for the reply.

Tor

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The Jewish perspective of the OT according to poster David_Jay

by deegee in

i note your comments in the following threads regarding the jewish perspective on certain old testament (ot) events:.

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5700922233585664/when-you-stop-think-about-why-would-gods-chosen-people-old-testament-need-army?page=1&size=10 ,.

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/6065451475927040/why-didnt-god-also-reveal-himself-canaanites-just-he-did-moses-burning-bush.

tor1500

Hi David Jay,

Thanks for your reply. I have an old set of encyclopedia's that I got when I was a child....a millions years ago....they say is was 587 or something like that but not 607...What I'm looking for is somewhere I can write to in Jerusalem/Israel, like a museum or a hall of records. Again, go to the source...I know it won't do any good because the org. is so arrogant they think they know more about Jewish history than the Jews themselves...

They are so prideful about this date, but as we know...pride comes before the fall.

I'm short of going to Jerusalem myself...come back & then share...then dare them to dispute...

I'll keep researching....or do you know of any institutions on that side of the world I can contact ?

Tor

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God's Kingdom Rules & other publications...Have you noticed ????

by tor1500 in

jw
friends

i was just doing my midweek studying...reading god's kingdom rules book...so far has anyone noticed many of the stories mention australia.

page 73 a momentous convention...a convention was held in july of 1931 & it was transmitted via more than 450 radio stations in australia, etc....they seem to mention australia more & more in the wt, books, etc.

this is a set-up...keep on watch...this book is being studied at this time for a reason...how timely.

tor1500

Hi All,

I was just doing my midweek studying...reading God's Kingdom Rules book...so far has anyone noticed many of the stories mention Australia. Page 73 A momentous convention...A convention was held in July of 1931 & it was transmitted via more than 450 radio stations in Australia, etc....They seem to mention Australia more & more in The WT, books, etc. This is a set-up...keep on watch...this book is being studied at this time for a reason...how timely. I think they want to win our sympathy when the ARC comes out...they are laying the ground work.

The exposure is all out in Australia, but not USA...wonder why not...could ORG. be paying off the media to keep it out. Are one of the GB's a pedophile ? & they are trying to get rid of him before the story hits & then the org. can say, don't worry, we know & we did something about it...but what they are not getting or don't want to get is this...why weren't any of this cases not reported to the police? That is the real question that they don't want to address. Because they'll have to come clean & say...We were told not to tell the police, then the next question is who told you ? Now, this is where they will be painted into a corner...since the org. is directed by God...they will have to say....God told us...then they would have to prove it from the bible...they are scrambling to find that scripture...they won't since Jesus put an end to the law...

If God is involved in this...he is taking the org. down little by little just like those clay shoes the org. talks about...to expose the org all at once, many of the friends would go nuts. For many this is all they know & all they want to know. Most are hanging on by a thread. So again, if God is involved in this, he won't pull the rug from the friends that fast....just a little at time...

So just pay attention...why don't the aussies call us in the USA & tell us what is up ?

Tor

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The Jewish perspective of the OT according to poster David_Jay

by deegee in

i note your comments in the following threads regarding the jewish perspective on certain old testament (ot) events:.

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5700922233585664/when-you-stop-think-about-why-would-gods-chosen-people-old-testament-need-army?page=1&size=10 ,.

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/6065451475927040/why-didnt-god-also-reveal-himself-canaanites-just-he-did-moses-burning-bush.

tor1500

Hi David-Jay,

Great comments...also, would you be the person we could ask if Jerusalem was destroyed in 607BC ? Is there any literature in Jerusalem or Israel that says when it happened...I guess you have been asked this millions of times...

Is there anything in your religion that states when it was destroyed?

Tor

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What the Australian Royal Commission says officially about Shunning!

by Daniel1555 in

this is an excerpt about shunning from the royal commissions latest (final?

) report: i think it is a must read and shows clearly that shunning also needs to be considered when child abuse is discussed and how cruel it is.. here the report:.

jehovah’s witnesses are counselled against associating, fraternising or conversing with a person who has been disfellowshipped or who has chosen to disassociate from the jehovah’s witness organisation.

tor1500

Hi All,

I live in USA...do you think this news will ever reach us...Is this ARC thing all over the media in Australia ?

I can't bring it up or they'll know I'm on a site that does know....

Tor

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Jesus and the fig tree, what are jws taught?

by Crazyguy in

in the story in the gospel of mark, mark writes that jesus is hungry and comes across a fig tree.

mark explains that it not in season yet jesus upon finding the fig tree has produced no fruit kills the tree.. this story makes no sense if literal so do the gun teach that it literally happened?.

tor1500

Hi All,

Found this on Got Questions about the Fig tree...makes sense...

Symbolically, the fig tree represented the spiritual deadness of Israel, who while very religious outwardly with all the sacrifices and ceremonies, were spiritually barren because of their sins. By cleansing the Temple and cursing the fig tree, causing it to whither and die, Jesus was pronouncing His coming judgment of Israel and demonstrating His power to carry it out. It also teaches the principle that religious profession and observance are not enough to guarantee salvation, unless there is the fruit of genuine salvation evidenced in the life of the person. James would later echo this truth when he wrote that “faith without works is dead” The lesson of the fig tree is that we should bear spiritual fruit not just give an appearance of religiosity. God judges fruitlessness, and expects that those who have a relationship with Him will “bear much fruit”...

Does this not remind you of witnesses...they know the scriptures from back to front, they dress well, speak well, but produce no fruit...they sacrifice what they think God wants...being kind to another person is just to easy..much rather abstain from blood...extreme...

Tor