Posts by tor1500

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Skinned and Thrown About.....

by Tech49 in

this is a little long, but stick with me.. if you recall, when the building work was in full swing at the new lakefront villa (warwick), wt was having workers come and they would put them up for a year, or more, while they were providing "volunteer services".

with that, and the impending need for hundreds and hundreds of new khs in the usa territory, the congregations were abuzz with the need for "continued construction volunteers".

recently, as many of you know, wt headquarters has sent pretty much everyone home, and is no longer needing workers at the new warwick site, as the building is mostly complete, with the dedication coming up later this year.

tor1500

Hi,

Great story....it's kind of reminds me when you are a study....the friends are all over you...they make you feel so special they love bomb you....this only works for those who didn't get this type of attention at home...you get to comment...you are invited places. You are the star....everybody wants to come to your study...then you get baptized...then just like in the hospital....the tubes of love are removed...I've seen it happen so many times at the hall....I see the sadness in the newly baptized ones...they have a look, like what happened....I was so important and made over .....what they don't know is that the friends have moved on to the next study and start the process of love bombing all over again....

It's easy to be a witness if you are constantly praised...and it's easy to stay one, but if that is what feeds you as a JW, when it stops, then that's when the rose colored glasses come off...then they come to this site or another..

I find some not all witnesses don't like to work, but they full time pioneer....I think it's a "I don't wanna work" gene in some of them...I have a friend that was raised a witness never baptized....we talk...she says she noticed most of them didn't want to work...there were brothers in the hall and they didn't want to work just preach and teach...she decided not to stay and married not a JW...& to this day been marred almost 50 yrs. Anyway, I noticed the same thing..some of them ask if I know of any part-time job so they can still go out in the ministry...I don't know any part-time job...because our bills require full time money...

I kind of feel sorry for these couples..they put their faith in man....& they will sock it to you every time. The org. is full of attention hogs...that's the bottom line...there are tons of jobs out there that can give you all the attention you need....a job at the information desk at a store, a front desk person and so on....

I don't remember the scriptures that mention that some want to come into the church and sit in the front....and to show off that's JW's. They are Pharisees....

Now the couples feel they have been betrayed...now they don't have the attention they once had...now look at them....deflated balloons, they can barely live not because they can't pick themselves up and start again, but because there is no limelight...Some people will only do some thing if someone is watching...Since they aren't stars anymore, they can barely pick up the pieces...

I think the org. started noticing that many were just freeloaders...not too mention not enough money to house folks forever...folks are living longer now...

This is just what I think...don't necessarily have to be true...

Tor

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If the Org. confessed they were not God's org. Would you still be there and was that the main reason you stayed

by tor1500 in

jw
friends

i know you know who i am by now...the one that forgets to use paragraphs...anyway, all over all the jw sites (not jw.org).

it's been asked if you knew this or that why did you stay...it's been discussed how no matter what you hit the friends with, failed dated, new lights, pedophiles, etc, yet they stay and you can't reason with them....so what i've come up with is that most stay because they feel it's god's org.

and they were chosen in place of the jews.

tor1500

Hi Halfbanana,

You hit the nail on the head....I've never knew how to put it in words, but you said exactly what I think...Many JW's feel they are nothing, so the org, makes them feel worthy....& you are so right, many think they will not die but just cross over into paradise....

They don't give a hill of beans of whether it's God's org or not...THEY HAVE FOUND A PLACE TO BELONG...a place that accepts. For some it's the family life they never had...I speak to many of the friends and their backgrounds are something else, it's a wonder they survived.....

@Vidiot,

That's so true, they did bite off more than they could chew....I don't think they ever thought the day would come when they would have to back peddle on the scriptures....as I used to say when I was little...(The Org)..They think themselves so smart.

@Fisherman, exactly, just because someone said it was God's org. doesn't necessarily make it so....but what convinces them that it's God's org. is because of the preaching work, they claim what other religion is doing what they are doing and it must be blessed by Jehovah because the preaching work is still going on ......it could only happen because of Jehovah....this is not my thought, remember I'm in the hall, & this is what they say..Not thinking God must bless other orgs. as well....what came to my mind is IBM....been around for ages...they have influenced the Tech world all over the world....is that God's doing?

Just like they say, Jesus came in 1918 or 1919 but in 1914, he became king...how do they know? They Don't...but they know you can't step to them because this stuff is all invisible and you ain't anointed so you got to listen to us...Everything the org. claims is invisible...

It's a good thing Jesus didn't have any children because 8 million JW's would say they are a descendants of Jesus...that's just how chosen they think they are...

Tor

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the-question (607 BCE explained and proved)

by pleaseresearch in

so a user named "the-question" said the jw's were right about 607 bce.. this is your chance brother to prove us all wrong.. we all can't wait to hear from you :).

tor1500

Hi,

I say they are trying another method of counting time....Door to Door ain't working...Question may answer or not...I say don't give him no more hours....Plus they are not supposed to be on a site that's not JW.org...especially if they are really drinking the kool-aide.

Tor

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If the Org. confessed they were not God's org. Would you still be there and was that the main reason you stayed

by tor1500 in

jw
friends

i know you know who i am by now...the one that forgets to use paragraphs...anyway, all over all the jw sites (not jw.org).

it's been asked if you knew this or that why did you stay...it's been discussed how no matter what you hit the friends with, failed dated, new lights, pedophiles, etc, yet they stay and you can't reason with them....so what i've come up with is that most stay because they feel it's god's org.

and they were chosen in place of the jews.

tor1500

Hi On the Way out,

Thanks for admitting it...not saying that is why most are there but I think that's one of the main reasons..even though as you say you had doubts....As you say if they told the truth...you would have gone...& I believe that most would leave if that would happen....I think this question makes some uncomfortable...they don't want to admit who they were before they learned TTATT...they don't want to admit they were full of pride not because they knew the bible, who could know the bible the way the witnesses teach it....today's truth is tomorrows un-truth....so the pride would not come from knowing the scriptures....the pride was they belonged to God's org. & many looked down on others that were not JW's. So many are angry with the org., when in truth be angry with yourself for how you allowed someone to tell you how to treat others....when you knew deep down inside that's not right....

I remember the org. told of many who left because Russell died...so who were they following man or the bible...

Tor

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This site should be called Anti-Jehovahs-Witnesses Cry-babies

by the-Question in

so, you left because of a bad example(s).. why all the whining?

nothing better to do with your time?.

you at least know far more about the bible than any church-goer?.

tor1500

Hi All,

When folks come here and ignore the facts....they are comfy in the org. They don't see anything wrong because now they are in good standing...right now...? is most likely in good standing...he or she fits in they are accepted their future is taken certain...Don't want to wish any harm on this ? person, but just wait if and when the friends turn on him unjustly or make a snide remark....Many of us when we were in the org, thought we were so suchy much...we too had our tails on our soldiers, because we have the truth....you know that pride we all had thinking how sad it was for those who didn't....no look...as they say pride cometh before the fall...

We hope ? will never have to experience what many experienced on this site through the org. But when he does...most likely he or she will change their name from question to something else so none of us will recognize them, because they will have to eat their words by calling folks on here whiners....as I say don't wish it on them...As we know many of us were as smug and judgmental as they are ....but it's just a matter of time..

There are a lot like ? on Allexperts...especially the experts that are JW's, they are something, even if you dare to ask an innocent question they let you have it...& they are witnesses, mind you...Once I told them while I was studying...that they know darn well they weren't supposed to be on the site....then I told them I know why, you counting hours....then they got nastier...because I was just a study at the time, then I said, if this is the way witnesses act when you ask a question, who would want to be one anyway....after that not a creature was stirring not even a mouse...lol lol..

Tor

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If the Org. confessed they were not God's org. Would you still be there and was that the main reason you stayed

by tor1500 in

jw
friends

i know you know who i am by now...the one that forgets to use paragraphs...anyway, all over all the jw sites (not jw.org).

it's been asked if you knew this or that why did you stay...it's been discussed how no matter what you hit the friends with, failed dated, new lights, pedophiles, etc, yet they stay and you can't reason with them....so what i've come up with is that most stay because they feel it's god's org.

and they were chosen in place of the jews.

tor1500

LonghairGal,

No problem, sometimes things do get lost in translation. I can sometime be too wordy just to say something simple.. You are so right Jesus could make an appearance and say he never came down in 1918 or 1919 to inspect no religion let alone only JW's...they wouldn't leave....

I'm a believer but not of the God man says he is ....Man has no idea what God is all about...He wants us to take care of one another...if I was a witness when you were a witness what God would have wanted me to do was to be there for you while the friends were not too nice to you.

As you said some JW's think it's God's org., because of the devine name, but they took this name...exactly...it wasn't like God gave them an engagement ring and said take my name...that's what I mean they wear being in God's org., like a badge of honor like a woman who just got a big diamond....and tell the world...she is going to have a huuuuuuuuusband & from now on she will be carrying his name...

I don't allow them to tell me who or who not to talk to....I have been told that when I became a witness I would have to get rid of my worldly friends...I said why and of course they gave me the JW's dribble...I said, well, I don't mean to be rude, but they didn't keep me from becoming a witness so why would you think if I'm still their friend they would take me out..now I'm not saying it couldn't happen but I'm just saying...but what would take me out of the witnesses are witnesses themselves....their mouths were left open...I like to do those type of things...

I hope we talk again....I wish you the best in this life...and don't let anyone steal your joy.

Tor

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You just never know

by scratchme1010 in

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friends

i finally decided to join linkedin.

i have been in technology for all my adult life, so i am one of those who don't like to communicate and socialize using technology.

however, i decided to join because i started to feel left out.. i have kept my profile private for the time being.

tor1500

Hi Scratchme1010,

I'm sitting here this AM drinking my coffee....What a nice topic to read early in the AM...So happy you made a difference in your life and then paid it forward....Could you imagine if we all helped one...if we all reached back and helped someone then we all move forward....

@Audesapere: Great quote...will remember it...also reminds me of MLK, he says if I can help just one somebody then my living has not been in vain....I think we all should have an attitude towards our fellow man.....if you can bring a smile to someone face that day, you done good....

Scratchne1010, I know you feel good about influencing someone....no you won't get that in the hall, why? Because most of the friends don't have it to give .....most witnesses come from some type of home...divided, one parent was zealous for the truth...you can't ask folks to give what they don't have...witnesses only encourage you if it's towards the org. Most can't show love....because most never came from a loving home...oh yeah, they were good witnesses but not good humans...

I tend to feel sorry for witnesses...I'm one, but not drinking the kool-aide...Everyday, I come to this site hoping something will be exposed of the org. so I can live....(perhaps I'm a punk)....but I'm starting to say certain things and folks are kind of listening....so if I faded.....oh they would miss me...I'm pretty popular, not because I'm pioneer or anything special, just a genuine loving person....

So Scratchme 1010...I'm so happy for you and the person you influenced...Go on and live your life...Be successful but don't let it go to your head...be balanced...be kind to others... you never know who else you may influence....

Much happiness and congrats.

Tor

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If the Org. confessed they were not God's org. Would you still be there and was that the main reason you stayed

by tor1500 in

jw
friends

i know you know who i am by now...the one that forgets to use paragraphs...anyway, all over all the jw sites (not jw.org).

it's been asked if you knew this or that why did you stay...it's been discussed how no matter what you hit the friends with, failed dated, new lights, pedophiles, etc, yet they stay and you can't reason with them....so what i've come up with is that most stay because they feel it's god's org.

and they were chosen in place of the jews.

tor1500

Hi Magnum,

I was commenting while you were posting.... I strongly feel that many are just there because they THINK AND WERE TOLD that it was God's org. I feel that's the staying point most have...not saying all...thanks for replying...

We know the org is flawed and the Top guys know we know....but they will still keep cranking out that literature...I'm just glad you agree....but even if no one agrees that some do stay because of the honor of being in God's org...they think...God don't need no org...

Tor

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If the Org. confessed they were not God's org. Would you still be there and was that the main reason you stayed

by tor1500 in

jw
friends

i know you know who i am by now...the one that forgets to use paragraphs...anyway, all over all the jw sites (not jw.org).

it's been asked if you knew this or that why did you stay...it's been discussed how no matter what you hit the friends with, failed dated, new lights, pedophiles, etc, yet they stay and you can't reason with them....so what i've come up with is that most stay because they feel it's god's org.

and they were chosen in place of the jews.

tor1500

Hi All,

I'm not saying this is God's org...I don't think God is partial that way....well maybe the Jews. What I was asking ex-JW's and current JW's if the org. said it would you stay...I'm saying I feel & it's just my opinion but when talking to my congregation, that's their claim to fame...that reply comes out way before they say it's the Truth.

I don't think it's God's org. because, they claim they are guided by the Holy Spirit...can't be....the Holy Spirit is never wrong....the reason they have to turn on so many NEW LIGHTS is when this religion got started they wanted to be so far away from other religions...they dug too deep...back in the day when folks couldn't read to well, they could say anything, & who would say they were wrong....they must be right because I can't read. New Lights are just scriptures they misinterpreted to not be like other churches...so instead of saying...we messed up...New Light...

So again, I don't believe this is God's org, but I do think many wear it like a badge of honor.

Some commented on why folks stay here or there...& that's a good point..we all have our reasons why we do what we do....

I currently am a witness I see everything that all of you see, I agree with most if not all on this site...I'm not mad at the org....I have good sense and I can read...I would do my studies then come to the hall & they would explain & I would say, ummm, that's not what the scripture said, & that's not what God nor Jesus said. I can't be angry with an org that told me & I knew it wasn't right ....but didn't want to make no waves....& it's alright to disagree, but keep it to yourself, ain't no place of worship where you gonna agree with all they say....I am saying these things to folks who still believe in God but not the org. Many don't believe in God, but they believe in something....man has to believe in something....The Sandman, Santa Claus, Tooth Fairy, Guardian Angels, etc....that's how we are made...

I can't rightly say how and why I'm a witness...but I do know if I'm not supposed to be there....in time I'll be gone..

So to make myself clear, I don't believe this is God's org...& I ask questions to make us all think and take a look at ourselves instead of always blaming something outside ourselves....I don't come on this site to debate nor to exercise great writing skills....I'm just real and call it like I see it..

One big issue I have amongst others with the org...DF'd.....how can a person turn love off and on like that...how can you shun your own children and not talk to them.....how can a mother carry a child in her belly all that time, nurture them & just because that child doesn't worship like you, you would turn your back on them....what kind of mother is that ? Or should I say parent....if a parent can do that....that just tells you they don't love you..so all you can do is try to move on...the world and the folks out there are great.....

The best thing one can do when leaving the org...is don't prove them right....be a decent person. Don't let them have that.

Tor

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If the Org. confessed they were not God's org. Would you still be there and was that the main reason you stayed

by tor1500 in

jw
friends

i know you know who i am by now...the one that forgets to use paragraphs...anyway, all over all the jw sites (not jw.org).

it's been asked if you knew this or that why did you stay...it's been discussed how no matter what you hit the friends with, failed dated, new lights, pedophiles, etc, yet they stay and you can't reason with them....so what i've come up with is that most stay because they feel it's god's org.

and they were chosen in place of the jews.

tor1500

HI,

Great replies...some I didn't think of. Scratchme 1010, you are so right...they are comfortable there.

LonghairGal, I've heard about these attitudes...but I tend to hang with the friends then back away from them....I'm glad you are out and hope you are happy. In this life we don't know how long we will be here..so for the long or short time we are here...be happy, that's the best medicine.

I still think some of the reasons folks stay is because it's God's org. so they think..like being married to a famous and rich person....they may not treat you right but the benefits...some folks much rather be miserable. Many may not admit that they thought that, because it does sound a bit shallow...so I put the question out there...just to see if people are real enough to admit...Yeah, I stayed because it's God's org...and they can be wrong as two left shoes but I'm staying...

Tor