Posts by tor1500

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Jehovah will clean his house first...

by tor1500 in

jw
friends

with all the stuff going on in the org.

that is not being said, many of the friends say, well, jehovah will clean his house first....with all this religious hiding of child abuse...what denomination was exposed/cleaned first...although they were forced they were exposed and many still go to these places of worship.

so are the jw really god's chosen channel.

tor1500

Hi All,

Excellent comments and all true. I used to smile when they would say that, because they really were thinking they were saying something that was so noble....like, JW's thought why should they bother with such frivolous thoughts of child abuse...not such a big deal, Jehovah will deal with it...

As many of you said JW's when backed into a corner will say Jehovah will take care of it in his own time. What else can they say.

Also mentioned here is that many don't see anything wrong until something offends them...Lets' face it most folks are selfish, don't care about nothing unless it involves them. Some even said they were the same when they were witnesses...I think we all see when we are not being empathetic but prefer to play is safe...it's called your conscience....

At times people complain about something that may seem trivial to one while in the org...I feel sometimes it's no big deal, but I have to remember it may be a big deal to them...this has nothing to do with being a witness...this has to do with just being a decent human being.

Many of the witnesses know but won't admit what they know because they are comfy where they are. They claim to have found the truth...if they were truly truth seekers they would have left the org. a while ago...

Why do many stay....their future is secure...all the fear they had of dying...all tied up in a few scriptures that say they are coming back, whew....

As many of you know, most JW's think the org. sticks to the bible more than any other religion...but they are just as flawless as the other religions...

You are so right, if the JW's were chosen by God, it would be obvious...

There is a song written a while ago, that kind of describes how some folks/JW's are, by English Beat....it's about a selfish man in a relationship with more than one woman, but he is having his cake and eating it too...he is hurting people but doesn't care....so this line in the song I never forgot, because it was so profound and shows how people really think and how selfish they can be..."I admit that I ruined 3 lives but I DID NOT CARE UNTIL I FOUND OUT ONE OF THEM (LIVES) WAS MINE"...this is folks...nothing bothers them until it BOTHERS THEM...why should they care, it didn't happen to them...just yet.

I began this topic only because I always heard that Jehovah chose the WT org. and not any other religion...so since the other religion was exposed first...I was just thinking that, that other religion was his mouth piece, since he didn't clean/expose the org. first.

Tor

13

The start of a rough patch ahead...

by confused3426 in

jw
friends

last night i told my mom my true feelings on the organization and what i've learned so far.

it all started from a conversation, we need to go visit the new headquarters.

my mom has been studying and just recently became an unbaptized publisher in the spanish cong.

tor1500

Hi Confused,

Love her and Love God and Jesus. Show her by living a balanced life...You can talk all you want but just show her that a person doesn't have to be a witness to show love and to be loved. Show her you have faith....do something for God that doesn't have to be counted...

You have come to the right place...many will share their experiences with you and give you encouragement...I'm a witness, and many of the friends have no idea that there are beautiful people that are not in the hall the love God/Jesus as much as they do. They claim they can't read hearts only God can, so how can any one judge ones relationship with God, just by looking at them...

This is scary for you depending on your age...If you are old enough to be on your own that's a good thing...I'm glad you mentioned that you were ready to face losing your witness family...that's brave and the first step to healing....Are they your family if you don't believe like they do? This is what keeps many in for the sake of the family. I was not born in so I can't understand that point of view....I have a good relationship with my Mom and she's not a witness. But that's another story...and a nice story...it's a story of respect.

If your mother really loves you, just live your life and be a good person, prove her wrong that because you are not a witness you are not going to live a crazy life...find a place of worship, that is non-denominational...and remember wherever you go, they won't have the whole truth, just like being in the org. you will hear and see things that aren't true...The Truth is in you.

There are many ways to show you love God/Jesus...and being a witness is not the only way....

If you keep peace in the house, that's ok, but you won't ever have any peace within yourself...

But first congrats. yourself on seeing the truth...and you are not spiritually weak....

You are correct in telling Mom don't tell your family....you don't need a bunch of folks blabbing in your ear...stand your ground...Live Well...Be Kind to others....

Tor

19

Jehovah will clean his house first...

by tor1500 in

jw
friends

with all the stuff going on in the org.

that is not being said, many of the friends say, well, jehovah will clean his house first....with all this religious hiding of child abuse...what denomination was exposed/cleaned first...although they were forced they were exposed and many still go to these places of worship.

so are the jw really god's chosen channel.

tor1500

Hi,

Like a person staying in an abusive relationship and saying it's God's will. Umm, Good point never thought of it as secular authorities are cleaning up house....and doesn't the bible say that God has put these authorities in place....

People are free to believe what they want but they don't have the right to impose on others ....to each his own...

Religion is all about control and domination...but it's really supposed to be about caring for one another that was to be the result of religion, not rules but love...

I would love to have the nerve to say to one of the friends...if this is Jehovah's org. why was the other religion exposed ?

Tor

19

Jehovah will clean his house first...

by tor1500 in

jw
friends

with all the stuff going on in the org.

that is not being said, many of the friends say, well, jehovah will clean his house first....with all this religious hiding of child abuse...what denomination was exposed/cleaned first...although they were forced they were exposed and many still go to these places of worship.

so are the jw really god's chosen channel.

tor1500

Hi,

With all the stuff going on in the org. that is not being said, many of the friends say, well, Jehovah will clean his house first....with all this religious hiding of child abuse...what denomination was exposed/cleaned first...although they were forced they were exposed and many still go to these places of worship. So are the JW really God's chosen channel. He didn't clean his house (JW) first...it was another one of his houses...can you guess which one ?

I'm just saying...

I Believe in God and all places of worship are his houses....they are need cleaning..

Thought ?

Tor

18

new strategy to turn in your time in Japan

by yoko N in

jw.org stickers are passed around among publishers.one brother says "hey you can just turn in your time just driving around streets with this sticker on your car.

" the other side of this car ,(photo) there is a qr code sticker on it.. .

tor1500

Hi Fulltimestudent,

Thanks for correcting me...I couldn't remember.

But it is true, I was having lunch one day and the sister told me that...Sad isn't it...it's all about the counting time and being seen....

Did anyone see Independent day and when the aliens came there was a whole bunch of people welcoming the aliens and begging them to take the earthlings...like they have been waiting for this moment all the while, well the alien ship did take'em....they obliterated them...This is how I see this placing JW literature in site...they are waiting for Jesus's 2nd coming, or is it his third, can't remember which, but he's coming...

Wonder what Jehovah is thinking of all of this ? If he's paying attention at all.

Tor

7

Question about worship

by charity7 in

hi guys, non jw here but i was wondering why jw's believe going out in service is worship?

are they just told that or do they try to use scripture to support that?.

tor1500

Hi Charity,

They are repaying Jehovah the gift of his son The Ransom. They also believe they are saving lives. They are modern day Noah's and they are trying to get as many on the ark as possible...

Also, as mentioned when Jesus sent out his disciples to spread the good news...but here's the rub, don't know if you know some scriptures are for the anointed (too long of a story)...and some are just for us plain folk, supposedly Jesus's disciples are part of the anointed and Jesus was talking about going to door he was not speaking to us plain folks....So if the society really want to split hairs, and they always say certain scriptures are for the anointed...so, we are not anointed so we don't have to go door to door....

Going out door to door is a form of worship...JW's are work oriented....they can't accept something for nothing...Some do it because they really love it....they are outdoor people...some really do love Jehovah

There is a song in our song book that one of the lines is How can I repay you what gift can I give to thank you Jehovah for the life that you give, I think that's how it goes...

Yes, witnesses think going out in service is worship and also before all....going to the meetings...I know others here can add...

Tor

25

It's right there in our faces, how could we NOT see it?

by NikL in

i know there have been many many posts on here over the years on the deity of jesus.. i am submitting this one because i am feeling a little confused.. the thing is, i am not the sharpest knife in the drawer and i know this.

so when i am going through my bible reading (to all you haters, yes i still do it) i see so many scriptures that just fly in the face of everything the jws teach about jesus.. i begin to wonder if indeed i am diseased in the mind ,as they will try to paint me, because it seems so plain to me.. i never even gave it a though growing up as to if jesus and god were equal.

i just didn't.. now when i read scriptures like philippians 9.... 9 for this very reason, god exalted him to a superior position+ and kindly gave him the name that is above every other name,+ 10 so that in the name of jesus every knee should bend—of those in heaven and those on earth and those under the ground+— 11 and every tongue should openly acknowledge that jesus christ is lord+ to the glory of god the father.. .

tor1500

Hi,

As someone mentioned Jesus is the new God of the NT....Jehovah changed the game plan...Jesus died for our sins, so why wouldn't we worship the person that died for us...and Jehovah thought the same thing...

Jehovah witnesses just want to be different....at the time they came about, nobody was talking about Jehovah, so they had an open field, they sounded like they knew what they were saying and folks bought it....

Years later, this has come to bite them in the tail...The org isn't as loving as Jesus, even though God is love, when he get's angry, he will discipline you....we only saw Jesus get angry once...even when someone asked a question to trick him...he would answer, One day there was.....(in parables).

So the question is who should we worship, God who created all things and sent his son to die for us or do we worship the one WHO DIED FOR US?...God told us who to worship...John 3:16...(in part) that everyone one exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life....And to be a Christian you have to believe in Christ...isn't Christ a part of the word Christian....

They shot themselves in the foot....now they are trying to fit Jesus in the literature....They are figuring JW's are not too dumb anymore...and some of the Questions from Readers may actually be sent by the friends ( but incognito).

I'm saying all this to folks that still believe even though they may be fading or haven't allowed the org. to destroy your faith.... I don't wish to offend those who may not believe and don't want judge them.

Why can't they both be worshipped....Jehovah for all he has done and will do and Jesus for giving his life...

Tor

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new strategy to turn in your time in Japan

by yoko N in

jw.org stickers are passed around among publishers.one brother says "hey you can just turn in your time just driving around streets with this sticker on your car.

" the other side of this car ,(photo) there is a qr code sticker on it.. .

tor1500

Hi,

Could it really be true...but I was told if you stop for lunch and leave a magazine or tract on the table in site...count it....I guess this is the advertise advertise era...AGAIN...

So, I've been told that in Japan they are under preaching ban...if that is true, how can elders walk around like celebrities if they don't want to draw any attention to themselves....or was it Korea, I don't remember, the friends go to so many countries I can't keep it straight, they love to go where the preaching is banned to see the friends, then tell you they are under such strict persecution that you can barely talk to them....I wanted to ask them why would you go there and draw attention to them because you are leaving and you can't control how they will be treated when you leave...yet, when seeing pix from these visits, of the places that the preaching is banned, why is the welcoming committee the size if the Macy's Thanksgiving parade....

Yoko, tell us more...

Tor

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I need advise. I' exJW in Japan.

by yoko N in

i need advisei need advise about lingo　of jw community.a publisher is required to report time spent in preaching, and field service.in japan.

we say something like“ put time in report card’how do you say in english language?.

tor1500

Hi,

Bring it on....

Tor

58

No more official visits to disfellowshipped & disassociated ones

by AverageJoe1 in

new letter today (please visit avoidjw.org for a copy of the official letter and yes, i also noticed they got the date wrong!).

february 28, 2017. to all bodies of elders.

re: visiting disfellowshipped or disassociated individuals.

tor1500

Hi,

Don't you know we are in the last days(lol)....Too many DF'd and DA'd ones so little time...to me this is what they are really saying....there are not enough Elders to officially visit them...

and on the other hand, many of the brothers might have been using these visits to extend their field service hours or if they wanted to leave field service they would say to the group going on a return, when in reality, they weren't going at all.

As far as the org. is concerned they gave them enough time even their own magazine...As far as the society is concerned they have to keep up with the wobbly wheels of Gods chariot, ( I stole that from someone on this site or was it another....but I thought is was a good one).

Most of the ones that left, they are glad to be done....just hope they were able to become functional citizens.

Tor