Posts by tor1500

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God never knew Jesus would be killed?

by venus in

jesus gave an illustration with a landowner being the central character:.

“there was a landowner who planted a vineyard.

he put a wall around it, dug a winepress in it and built a watchtower.

tor1500

Hi,

God may not have known but Jesus knew....he spoke of it many times in the NT.... Jesus even asked that he didn't have to do it but only if his father willed it...

I think God had hope that it wouldn't turn out the way it did....his hope was for humans to resist Satan...Judas could have changed his mind....but he didn't. The play had been thought out, Jehovah all the time hoping we would resist the Devil.....

But let's really take a look at this picture, reminds me of a gangsta picture, the boss asked one of his pals or sons to take the fall for mankind, the boss says, don't worry, you won't take the fall for long...as a matter of fact, you'll be free in three days, whaddaya think...can you do it...now it's gonna hurt and you'll be humiliated...but just think in 3 days, you'll be up and free before you know it...So Jesus agrees to sacrifice himself....why? Well, he is a good guy,& he loves his Father, but this is not in the bible, or maybe man got it wrong when they wrote the bible....Jesus may have asked...You sure you are gonna resurrect me in 3 days?

Here's a question for all...would you sacrifice your life if you knew you were going to be raised to life in 3 days ? Most folks wouldn't sacrifice a ham sandwich at 11 o'clock at night....

The Bible is full of parables...they are just lessons for life... the Bible has been re-written by man...maybe God really said, I hope they respect my son....but if not..

Tor

21

It's about progress, not perfection...

by scratchme1010 in

i guess at this point in time and space i'm ok if there's an indication of things going in the right direction.. my jw father, who joined the jws in 1973 when i was 8, has always had all the characteristics of the stereotypical brainwashed born again weirdo.

as a jw he always felt the need to show that he was more devoted than the rest of the crop.

to him, life became very easy from that point on: "the bible", interpreted by the millions of wt publications, along with the information in the meetings and getting involved in all jw activities, were the answer to everything and anything in his life".

tor1500

Hi,

JW's put on that they are happy...they don't realize this journey is just that a journey, and perfection is not until death, (if all this is true). I believe in God...Most witnesses are not happy people to begin with...if you are happy something is wrong with you....

When a person tries to be morally clean it just makes them bitter...when witnesses smile, most of the time the smile never reaches their eyes....I call it the dead eye...

I'm a witness, their default button is woe is me...when you go out in FS, all you hear about is their illnesses....sometimes I didn't feel good either but just mentioned it lightly...didn't want to sound like them...

As I said before and still say it....Witnesses are children dressed in adult clothes....

Some are ingrained with bitterness and ignorance...but those two traits, you at least have to have the soil to do it..meaning it was in one in the first place....

Tor

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"Abuse of free will" - an Oxymoron?

by doubtfull1799 in

the society loves to talk about how adam and eve abused their gift of free will.

doesn't free will mean the freedom to choose?

how can exercising that freedom to choose then be classed as abusing the gift?

tor1500

Hi,

My issue with The WT's take on Adam and Eve is that how did they know bad from good...didn't Jehovah make the earth in 7 days and said....It was good...so regardless of a talking snake, or not, how did Adam and Eve know what bad was....did they see bad....Jehovah said if they eat from this tree they will know good from evil, but did they ever experience evil ? Or did they even know what death was...one of the sisters said, they knew because the animals died, so Adam and Eve witnessed what death was....I don't know about that....

They had free will but as usual, it came with consequences....

If Eve didn't know that a snake don't talk, how would she or Adam know such an intelligent statement as "Free Will"... Adam and Eve didn't abuse their free will, most likely didn't even know they had it, until they lost it...maybe the Adam and Eve story is how God judges us...Some say, don't resurrect them, they are the cause of what we are going through now...some say, go ahead resurrect them, they didn't know any better...give'em a chance...maybe the ones that give Adam and Eve the benefit of the doubt, will go to paradise...

Just a thought,

Tor

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Victims of "political repression"

by biblexaminer in

political repression is the persecution of an individual or group within society for political reasons, particularly for the purpose of restricting or preventing their ability to take part in the political life of a society thereby reducing their standing among their fellow citizens.[1][2].

so, the governing bastards feel that putin is trying to keep jehovah's witnesses out of politics.

interesting.... all the russians had to do is to ask watchtower one question.

tor1500

Hi,

They tell us to be politically neutral UNTIL, supposedly our right to preach is threatened then it's ok to be political....NOW....but they don't call it that, they call it standing for our rights...in any language, that's a being political....

JW's are political to show they are persecuted...remember most of them have a persecution gene...I'm a witness I know...they are paranoid...always thinking you talking about them or always offended taking things the wrong way...overly sensitive but in reality witnesses think who the heck they are but play that humble card...

Plus witnesses don't cotton to you if you are not a broken wing...I used to be on another site, and would comment and no replies, because even though I was a witness I didn't have any "Woe" is me stories...so nobody would reply to me...so one day I said, let me comment on how being a witness has really brought me down and I'm so depressed and that I think the witnesses are ruining me...guess what? Comments all over the place...trying to encourage me, but when I was ok but just venting...silence....guess you got to be a messed up witness to get any attention...

As many have said here...the repression is inside the org, from political to sexual....Russia exercises more freedom of speech than the org. does....

Tor

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so much for babylon the great falling in 1919

by nowwhat? in

suposedly babylon the great lost her power and influence over the people and government rulers back in 1919. flash forward to today the russian orthodox church is behind the banning of witnesses in russia.

yet another failed prophecy!

have these guys gotten anything right?!

tor1500

Hi,

Doesn't anyone get it....it doesn't matter about the failed prophesies...or anything doctrinal...The friends are emotionally tied to the org...not God, because the org. is God...if you question the org. you question God...so it doesn't matter about the dates or nothing like that...it doesn't matter that their are pedophiles or that they may be banned in Russia.....it's God org.

When we are all dead and gone, they will change 1919 to who knows what or maybe even get rid of it...a new generation is coming....the org. will change...all you have to do is look at the pictures from when the JW's first began, no smiles, now look at the pix, colgate smiles everywhere...happy people serving God...when you look at the pix from long ago....not one person cracked a smile...

Anyway...They have a new light about Babylon the Great...just put it in Google...JW.org. will pop up and you'll see the new light....

What witnesses don't know, we may be a part of Babylon the Great too...they even say it...you point a finger how many are pointed back at you....

The org. thinks they are on the pulse of God and can read the signs of the end....NOPE....God wouldn't let no man know ....least he boast...and if Jesus don't know...then the FDS/GB's don't know either...and if Jesus is King and they know it, why don't he give them some signs, like warning them about this Russia thing...

The witnesses don't know who Babylon the Great is or when it's going to fall....

You can't take them seriously,

Tor

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Russia's Supreme Court is due to resume considering ban on Jehovah's Witness activity on 12 April

by venus in

russia's supreme court is due to resume considering a total ban on jehovah's witness activity on 12 april.

already police in several towns have disrupted their worship.

they have reported intimidation, harassment, and the disruption of worship by law enforcement agents in several towns as a result of the justice ministry's 15 march order summarily suspending most of their activities.

tor1500

Hi,

Weren't the apostles told they could go to different parts for their ministry but not Samaria? Later, we see how the Good News was brought into Samaria, Jesus finally went there and met a Samarian women and that's how the good news came to Samaria, by just a simple woman....

So, does anybody think that maybe God is telling them to get out....that when he is ready he'll bring the good news to Russia in his time not ours....

The witnesses always say they are led by the spirit, they are not listening....maybe God is saying get out, now, while you can...but they are so stubborn....just like David....many times David acted without Jehovah's backing...

We shall see how this plays out....

But this just could be about $$$$$$...

Tor

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I'm 90% PIMO but events in Russia made me stop and think maybe Jehovah is real and helping

by Isambard Crater in

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i'm at the stage where i'd love a big scandal to come along showing clearly that the j.w's are not the true religion, but sometimes i get touched inside by various thoughts or events, the russian court trial being one of them.. i mean, j.w's are understandably fixated with attending the memorial, so why didn't the court say it will resume on monday or tuesday, instead setting wednesday 12 april as the date?

part of me believes the comments from pro-j.w's that jehovah moved events so they could attend the memorial.. it seems the j.w's will not be banned, which makes my mind and heart wrestle between thinking jah's behind it, or maybe the ministry of justice is just woefully prepared compared to the superb australian royal commission team who did their homework.

it surprises me the russians seemingly haven't done any homework..

tor1500

Hi All,

Isambard, I think the same thing at times....why isn't the org. exposed for what really counts....THE ARC..but here's my take...this is for those who are emotionally attached to God not the org. I have read on this site those who learned TTATT, some were devastated...one female was so overcome she was down for days...so again, if Jehovah is behind this org...he won't bring it down just like that...it will be gradual just like the Catholics...

Many of the friends are so emotionally connected to the org. they would be no more good if the org. went down right away....

Maybe God is weaning the friends by letting them hear about the scandals yet nothing is done....maybe it's to put bugs in our ears...

Jehovah knows the witnesses are arrogant....these leaks are just like Chinese water torture....at least for those who are emotionally attached to the org...they know but can't believe and can't say anything...now that's torture, but those of us still in not drinking the kool-aide are ok with knowing but not saying..and planning for our escape...

Just think if the org. was exposed right away, do you really want approx. 8 million nuts let out on society, oh yes, they are, but because they take their meds.(JW kool-aide), just think if they didn't....a bunch of nuts let out...so I kind of think Jehovah is backing the org. not because it's his chosen org, is that The Society needs to be brought to their knees....and we may not like the way God is doing it...but pay attention...You also have to think of the org being brought down like this illustration....when a person hasn't eaten in a while, you can't give them a steak you have to feed them gradually, otherwise their stomachs would explode..same as the org...can't bring it down right away, many of the friends minds would explode or implode or short circuit...and I'm a witness, I'm on the inside, so I know the mental capacity of these folks...they are not stable...

I want the scandals to be exposed for the reason that if those who choose to stay it won't be because they are forced or that they believe it's a clean organization...and if you wish to stay ok, if not, no repercussions....it should be a religion where yes, you are held accountable for your actions but YOU are held accountable...nobody else...it should be a religion where you can come and go...& Stay out of folks personal life....

So do I think Jehovah is behind this...who knows....only time will tell...but we sure no more than the org. would like us to know..

Tor

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Jehovah's Witnesses and Love

by Cold Steel in

comments?

stories?

reminiscences?.

tor1500

Hi,

I think Dubstep said it best....the religion attracts a certain type of person....oh well, I guess I have to re-evaluate myself...

The reason I am on this site is because I'm a witness and have noticed so many things that just ain't right...Witnesses don't know what love is...some do...I can say I do...I was raised in a nice home...nice childhood, happy, sure it may have had it's problems but what household doesn't.....so because of this upbringing has made me notice many witnesses were not raised like this....I talk to many and their home lives seem a little off...many were raised in the truth, but lets face it most come to the truth when they are on their last leg....no where else to go...so what kind of household is that to raise a child...

Many JW's have no love in them....it's like shaking a pocket book and thinking love will drop out...a purse can't love you and if you didn't put any love in the purse if you shake it how could love come out if you didn't put it in there...same as a person, if love isn't put into them how can they show it...most of them the best they can do is love Jehovah...that's all the love they can muster up....

We have some folks in the hall that when you greet them some you can hug and kiss and some shy away from it..some it's because of some illness...some may not be in the mood that day, some got issues with touching...me thinks something happened in their childhood that makes them that way....that's another topic.

Love has to be felt not taught....oh sure many need therapy to get in touch with their feelings. JW's don't know what love is...they never experienced it...if they did, they wouldn't act the way they do. Even if you were born into the religion, if you experienced real unconditional love, you would know you were in the wrong place and what they were saying about love isn't true, because if you had real love at home you would recognize the difference....so if you never experienced unconditional love at home, what do you have to compare with so when the society tells you what love is....what do you know ?

Tor

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The Son of God? An Atheists view please.

by Miss Worldly in

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please bare with me on this.. firstly, i do not intend to cause offence to anyone.

i apologise if what i am saying is blasphemous to some.

i appreciate your views and mine may differ.

tor1500

Hi Miss Worldly,

I'm a witness and believe in God...and the son of God...

But what I want to say is this it don't matter who wrote the bible or if Jesus was the Son of Man or is he God himself, at the end of the day, no matter what you believe....

Are you your brother's keeper, do you feed the hungry, will you help someone in need, would you give a thirsty man water, plainly speaking...WOULD YOU HELP ANYONE???????..

You don't have to be an atheist or a bible thumper to answer that question....

We all put too much attention on whether there is a God/Jesus or not...that's not the issue at all we are all fellow human beings....and we are our brothers keepers, if we don't help one another who will ?

Tor

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NYTimes Article - Russia Moves to Ban Jehovah's Witnesses as 'Extremist'

by AndersonsInfo in

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https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/04/world/europe/russia-moves-to-ban-jehovahs-witnesses-as-extremist.html?_r=0.

vorokhobino, russia — a dedicated pacifist who has never even held a gun, andrei sivak discovered that his government considered him a dangerous extremist when he tried to change some money and the teller “suddenly looked up at me with a face full of fear.”.

his name had popped up on the exchangalee bureau’s computer system, along with those of members of al qaeda, the islamic state and other militant groups responsible for shocking acts of violence.. the only group the 43-year-old father of three has ever belonged to, however, is jehovah’s witnesses, a christian denomination committed to the belief that the bible must be taken literally, particularly its injunction “thou shalt not kill.”.

tor1500

Hi,

Big write up about religion but the NYT couldn't expose the pedophiles in the org....so Religious bans out weights the lives of children....

Amazing.....

I do care about the friends in Russia and for their lives...if the Russians don't want them there...leave...maybe Jehovah don't want the witnesses in Russia, maybe he's trying to tell them something....I care about if they are hurt. But I care more about the lives of children. The org. hides pedophiles....that is a bigger head line then ever, but the NYT never picked it up but little ole ma and pa papers did....

Can someone tell me why the NYT decided to print this instead of the ARC ?

Tor