Posts by tor1500

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You Can Encourage An Inactive Christian!

by Yesu Kristo Bwana Wangu in

https://www.jw.org/en/publications/jw-meeting-workbook/april-2017-mwb/meeting-schedule-apr10-16/encourage-inactive-christian/.

this is part of the clam meeting this week.. how contradictory is it?.

first, they instruct people to avoid inactive ones and to shun them and to treat them the same as da'd or df'd ones, .

tor1500

Hi,

Another reason is because the elders are supposed to visit the inactive ones, but they don't have the time nor the manpower...so they are using the flock to search'em out and find them then tell the elders where to go get'em...and what kind of encouragement will they give them...

The elders are so busy that they can't do all that is required of them....I know they get letters that the congregation doesn't know about....don't think they don't know about the scandals in the org, yet, they have to keep a straight face and business as usual.....if you want to remain in the org...

In a little while...we may be able to talk to the DF'd ones...never say never...the org. wants to bring more sheep in and they can't bring them in and then DF them...folks will talk... I had a friend that was studying, she never told me she was studying to be a witness, she invited me to her baptism, for a while she never mentioned it again, then one day she said, they want me to disassociate with ones who are not witnesses...so she bounced...I wish I did the same thing...me dummy..

I'm a witness, don't pay no mind to what is written, they have to fill up a page...go to the meetings if you like the friends, play the game, but follow your own God...because if this is all true about God and we are going to be judged individually, when it comes to ones turn to stand up, saying you are a Jehovah Witness ain't going to give you know points with God...Jehovah Witness is not a password into Paradise/Heaven.

Tor

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Russian Ban exposed but not THE ARC...WHY?

by tor1500 in

jw
friends

just your thoughts....i've been all over this site, everyone says, that if jehovah was backing the org.

then why so many things happen in the org.

child abuse, shunning, and so on....but my question or thought is why is the banning of witnesses all over the media, but the arc isn't wasn't picked up in the media, like this (oh little leaks here and there, but nothing major) nothing like the nyt or any major media venue where the friends would see it and couldn't deny it, even if they wanted to....why does the media care more about banning witnesses than child abuse...i know even if the arc was exposed many of the friends would stay, but would be shamed, because they talked about other religions...or maybe jehovah is bringing the org.

tor1500

Hi All,

Great comments...I like the one where someone at the NYT is a witness or knows someone...here's a thought, could the org. be paying not to have it published...would you put it past them ?

I hear when you say it's not newsworthy, but it depends on the spin of it...Headlines could read....Religion Points finger at other religions...news at 11....that'll wet their appetite...it could be on The Daily Show....like a spoof...ever see Bill Maher....he pokes fun at things like these, even Penn & Teller...

Yes, there are other religions but it only seems that the JW's always in the paper or in court....so they want to be newsworthy...so I say give them what they want...there is a starving reporter out there that could really dig into this story....he or she could make it newsworthy....again, it's all how you spin the story...

People will read anything if the heading grabs their attention....that's what writers do....just look at the writers in the org...very clever....they know how to hold 8 million folks interest....so much so that they are brainwashed...

It's just puzzles me how nothing of the ARC is mentioned...you all make valid points...I also like the comment where the person says, they reap what they sowed...that's true, seems a whole lot of mess is going on Down Under....maybe they thought God can't see down under....

As usual pedophile goes to the back of the line....but no wonder, I'm up late at nite and they have these hot lines with females....and they say you can call them up, at the end of the commercial she says, & I'm 18...Having sex with underage folks will never go away....it's accepted in our society....Men and women are both guilty of it...

I'm a female, and before I was 18 grown men were trying to talk to me....thank goodness for good parents, that would ask, how old is that guy ?....they made me think...I was young so what did I know...See Trump and his child bride and when she gets old, he'll dump her and get someone young again....Getting older can be a bummer for some, they never think, gee, I'm still here....so some folks go out with younger folks to hold back the hand of time, we all know that's one of life's betrayals...

So the ARC will never be exposed, only if the rumor mill of JW's picks it up, and we know, they still won't believe it....but I do know if many of the JW's found out the ARC was true, they would crumble...

Thank you all for your replies....this has always puzzled me and will continue to do so, but won't lose any sleep.

Tor

16

Russian Ban exposed but not THE ARC...WHY?

by tor1500 in

jw
friends

just your thoughts....i've been all over this site, everyone says, that if jehovah was backing the org.

then why so many things happen in the org.

child abuse, shunning, and so on....but my question or thought is why is the banning of witnesses all over the media, but the arc isn't wasn't picked up in the media, like this (oh little leaks here and there, but nothing major) nothing like the nyt or any major media venue where the friends would see it and couldn't deny it, even if they wanted to....why does the media care more about banning witnesses than child abuse...i know even if the arc was exposed many of the friends would stay, but would be shamed, because they talked about other religions...or maybe jehovah is bringing the org.

tor1500

Hi,

Just your thoughts....I've been all over this site, everyone says, that if Jehovah was backing the org. then why so many things happen in the org. child abuse, shunning, and so on....but my question or thought is why is the Banning of witnesses all over the media, but the ARC isn't wasn't picked up in the media, like this (oh little leaks here and there, but nothing major) Nothing like the NYT or any major media venue where the friends would see it and couldn't deny it, even if they wanted to....why does the media care more about banning witnesses than child abuse...I know even if The ARC was exposed many of the friends would stay, but would be shamed, because they talked about other religions...or maybe Jehovah is bringing the org. to it's arrogant knees....

So here is my question....who is protecting the org. from the real scandals? If it's not Jehovah than who ?

Tor

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I'm 90% PIMO but events in Russia made me stop and think maybe Jehovah is real and helping

by Isambard Crater in

jw
friends

i'm at the stage where i'd love a big scandal to come along showing clearly that the j.w's are not the true religion, but sometimes i get touched inside by various thoughts or events, the russian court trial being one of them.. i mean, j.w's are understandably fixated with attending the memorial, so why didn't the court say it will resume on monday or tuesday, instead setting wednesday 12 april as the date?

part of me believes the comments from pro-j.w's that jehovah moved events so they could attend the memorial.. it seems the j.w's will not be banned, which makes my mind and heart wrestle between thinking jah's behind it, or maybe the ministry of justice is just woefully prepared compared to the superb australian royal commission team who did their homework.

it surprises me the russians seemingly haven't done any homework..

tor1500

Hi,

I've read that many say, if Jehovah is backing the org. then why does this or that happen ? If Jehovah is a loving God why would he let certain things take place...especially in his organization....ummmm....maybe just maybe this isn't his organization and that's why stuff is happening in there just like in the rest of the world and the witnesses won't believe that it's not God's org., but he keeps not backing them....that should give them a sign...

But, humor me here...if this is God's org, and all these scandals....why aren't they being exposed? Who is behind them not being exposed....I'm talking NYT, ABC (prime time, not when folks are sleeping), major networks and newspapers, why has the Ban in Russia have so much coverage....who is blocking the news from Australia regarding the ARC....

Tor

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Jehovah's Witnesses and Love

by Cold Steel in

comments?

stories?

reminiscences?.

tor1500

Hi,

JW's only love you if you are a JW or a JW in the making....

The Bottom line JW's (some) love with conditions....so to me it wasn't the org. that taught folks to love conditionally, they needed a good soil to plant that type of seed....so folks that can love like that...dig into their home life, their environment...if any one had the time to research the kind of people that love only conditionally, you may find they have something in common....when you are loved, no matter who or what you are....you know Love...and nobody can tell you different, oh well, yes they can, because many on this site including me....love conditionally because we wanted to be accepted knowing it's wrong to love like the society tells us...we can't hide behind the org. for what we know deep in our hearts is really right...so we shouldn't be angry at the org. but ourselves...because we knew better.

Tor

22

You Can Encourage An Inactive Christian!

by Yesu Kristo Bwana Wangu in

https://www.jw.org/en/publications/jw-meeting-workbook/april-2017-mwb/meeting-schedule-apr10-16/encourage-inactive-christian/.

this is part of the clam meeting this week.. how contradictory is it?.

first, they instruct people to avoid inactive ones and to shun them and to treat them the same as da'd or df'd ones, .

tor1500

Hi,

They know sooner or later, they will be under the microscope....people read about them on the internet and they don't want to appear that they shun folks...this is for the public...now whether they really mean it, that's another story...I think a new breed is coming....again, if you look at the literature from years ago, the friends never smiled, but look at the pictures now...everyone is showing their teeth....

The new changes are scaring the die hards...they believe in shunning....they think it makes the person stronger...but I think it's deeper than that, I think folks that believe that shunning is good, there is something that they need to atone for....those type of folks who do that have other issues...they believe that folks should get their come just due but never feel that one day it may be them...

Many of the friends are so rigid when it comes to shunning, if you make a mistake and greet them, someone will come to you and say, you know you are not supposed to talk to them...they are DF'd...what kind of person is that...mean....so mean they can uphold shunning...and watch others to make sure no one talks to them....that's a mean person....but why are they so mean...there is something in ones DNA that can do it...and think it's ok...

I think the org. is not growing as they say they are...so they are not turning away anyone, it's about the #'s...so they can print, yet another book, how many returned to Jehovah.....

This is all to show the public and the courts, they are a warm and fuzzy religion...

Tor

16

God never knew Jesus would be killed?

by venus in

jesus gave an illustration with a landowner being the central character:.

“there was a landowner who planted a vineyard.

he put a wall around it, dug a winepress in it and built a watchtower.

tor1500

Hi,

God may not have known but Jesus knew....he spoke of it many times in the NT.... Jesus even asked that he didn't have to do it but only if his father willed it...

I think God had hope that it wouldn't turn out the way it did....his hope was for humans to resist Satan...Judas could have changed his mind....but he didn't. The play had been thought out, Jehovah all the time hoping we would resist the Devil.....

But let's really take a look at this picture, reminds me of a gangsta picture, the boss asked one of his pals or sons to take the fall for mankind, the boss says, don't worry, you won't take the fall for long...as a matter of fact, you'll be free in three days, whaddaya think...can you do it...now it's gonna hurt and you'll be humiliated...but just think in 3 days, you'll be up and free before you know it...So Jesus agrees to sacrifice himself....why? Well, he is a good guy,& he loves his Father, but this is not in the bible, or maybe man got it wrong when they wrote the bible....Jesus may have asked...You sure you are gonna resurrect me in 3 days?

Here's a question for all...would you sacrifice your life if you knew you were going to be raised to life in 3 days ? Most folks wouldn't sacrifice a ham sandwich at 11 o'clock at night....

The Bible is full of parables...they are just lessons for life... the Bible has been re-written by man...maybe God really said, I hope they respect my son....but if not..

Tor

21

It's about progress, not perfection...

by scratchme1010 in

i guess at this point in time and space i'm ok if there's an indication of things going in the right direction.. my jw father, who joined the jws in 1973 when i was 8, has always had all the characteristics of the stereotypical brainwashed born again weirdo.

as a jw he always felt the need to show that he was more devoted than the rest of the crop.

to him, life became very easy from that point on: "the bible", interpreted by the millions of wt publications, along with the information in the meetings and getting involved in all jw activities, were the answer to everything and anything in his life".

tor1500

Hi,

JW's put on that they are happy...they don't realize this journey is just that a journey, and perfection is not until death, (if all this is true). I believe in God...Most witnesses are not happy people to begin with...if you are happy something is wrong with you....

When a person tries to be morally clean it just makes them bitter...when witnesses smile, most of the time the smile never reaches their eyes....I call it the dead eye...

I'm a witness, their default button is woe is me...when you go out in FS, all you hear about is their illnesses....sometimes I didn't feel good either but just mentioned it lightly...didn't want to sound like them...

As I said before and still say it....Witnesses are children dressed in adult clothes....

Some are ingrained with bitterness and ignorance...but those two traits, you at least have to have the soil to do it..meaning it was in one in the first place....

Tor

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"Abuse of free will" - an Oxymoron?

by doubtfull1799 in

the society loves to talk about how adam and eve abused their gift of free will.

doesn't free will mean the freedom to choose?

how can exercising that freedom to choose then be classed as abusing the gift?

tor1500

Hi,

My issue with The WT's take on Adam and Eve is that how did they know bad from good...didn't Jehovah make the earth in 7 days and said....It was good...so regardless of a talking snake, or not, how did Adam and Eve know what bad was....did they see bad....Jehovah said if they eat from this tree they will know good from evil, but did they ever experience evil ? Or did they even know what death was...one of the sisters said, they knew because the animals died, so Adam and Eve witnessed what death was....I don't know about that....

They had free will but as usual, it came with consequences....

If Eve didn't know that a snake don't talk, how would she or Adam know such an intelligent statement as "Free Will"... Adam and Eve didn't abuse their free will, most likely didn't even know they had it, until they lost it...maybe the Adam and Eve story is how God judges us...Some say, don't resurrect them, they are the cause of what we are going through now...some say, go ahead resurrect them, they didn't know any better...give'em a chance...maybe the ones that give Adam and Eve the benefit of the doubt, will go to paradise...

Just a thought,

Tor

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Victims of "political repression"

by biblexaminer in

political repression is the persecution of an individual or group within society for political reasons, particularly for the purpose of restricting or preventing their ability to take part in the political life of a society thereby reducing their standing among their fellow citizens.[1][2].

so, the governing bastards feel that putin is trying to keep jehovah's witnesses out of politics.

interesting.... all the russians had to do is to ask watchtower one question.

tor1500

Hi,

They tell us to be politically neutral UNTIL, supposedly our right to preach is threatened then it's ok to be political....NOW....but they don't call it that, they call it standing for our rights...in any language, that's a being political....

JW's are political to show they are persecuted...remember most of them have a persecution gene...I'm a witness I know...they are paranoid...always thinking you talking about them or always offended taking things the wrong way...overly sensitive but in reality witnesses think who the heck they are but play that humble card...

Plus witnesses don't cotton to you if you are not a broken wing...I used to be on another site, and would comment and no replies, because even though I was a witness I didn't have any "Woe" is me stories...so nobody would reply to me...so one day I said, let me comment on how being a witness has really brought me down and I'm so depressed and that I think the witnesses are ruining me...guess what? Comments all over the place...trying to encourage me, but when I was ok but just venting...silence....guess you got to be a messed up witness to get any attention...

As many have said here...the repression is inside the org, from political to sexual....Russia exercises more freedom of speech than the org. does....

Tor