Posts by tor1500

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Next weeks Watchtower. ' Who is leading God's people today'

by UnshackleTheChains in

next weeks watchtower.

'who is leading god's people today' is quite incredible.

i am so looking forward to blondie's comments on this one.

tor1500

Hi Snowbird,

What I have found talking about slavery or anything black related make folks uncomfortable....when we talk about slavery or how the US was built on slavery, nobody wants to admit it...they want us to get over it....but I got a good one for those who want us to get over it...remember 911, folks still up in arms about it...still saying, they came for us, today, they are still holding a memorial for the victims of 911. Because the average American can't believe what happened.....we are America, how could they do that to us...so Americans, like you say to Black Americans, regarding slavery, get over it....so Americans get over it....All that to say, you can't bring up how a black person sees the org, white folks want us to see through the same eyes they have but we can't.

Can any white person during the time of slavery ever had to sit in the back of the hall, only because it was the law. I don't want to go on about this Snowbird, but don't get ruffled when race is mentioned on this site, when blacks comment on any site, we are always told, it's not what we think it is...

All you and I said is something that is a reality....when the illustrations of the anointed where seen they were mostly white....a chick here and there...so after all these years that the org. has been in existence only one black person is worthy.....just think if all the illustrations of the anointed or the entire WT literature was mostly black, what would white folks think....If this is God's org. and God's not partial, why did it take this long to get a black anointed....many people take offense when race is mentioned....but they are the ones that TAKE the offense, we didn't mean to offend....it's like I said, speaking about race makes some folks uncomfortable....it's 2017....it's time we listen to one another's story, whether it be Roman history, Black History, Irish History, we can all learn from one another....

Tor

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Jehovah Witnesses Unaware They Are Fulfilling Bible Prophecies

by Wakeupcall2u in

jehovah witnesses unaware they are fulling bible prophecies.

for many of us witnesses that have left either as stricken lost sheep or unlawfully disfellowshiped please consider that our brothers & sisters in the synagogues of kingdom halls are misled & need our help in trying to pull them out of the fire.

the test now on them is about just how they are treating their unlawfully excluded (disfellowshiped) brothers & sisters, as foretold at isaiah 66. at present they sit in judgement on us the growing great crowd who have come out & they are prepared with hard- heartedness to condemn their brothers & sisters to a final everlasting death, by running away as spiritual cowards refusing us a cup of life giving water (truth) matt 10: to explain the apostasy in their temple the disgusting thing in the holy place.

tor1500

Hi,

I think this person is really saying that the JW's know so much about the end because they are fulfilling the end...in a negative way...why do they know how the end is going to play out, because they are playing it out...they are the ones going into widows homes and making them worse off than they were..they know so much about the Pharisees because they are the Pharisees....they talk about the clay feet, that's them...the org is melting...lol...

They are aware they are fulfilling the scriptures but they think it's in a helping way...they don't know the damage they cause, no I take that back they do know the damage....they want you to throw anybody under the bus so they and you can get into paradise...

Tor

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Next weeks Watchtower. ' Who is leading God's people today'

by UnshackleTheChains in

next weeks watchtower.

'who is leading god's people today' is quite incredible.

i am so looking forward to blondie's comments on this one.

tor1500

Hi Snowbird,

You hit one of the characteristics of some witnesses....as you mentioned, Selfishly, I kept quiet...that's the MO of most witnesses...selfish, want to make it into the new system, and don't care who they step on to do it...The issue with most witnesses they feel safe and comfy in the congregation so, they don't say or do anything to upset their life....because their life is all nice and neat just like their literature...

What I'm finding out about most witnesses that if they are in good standing, even if they know TTATT, and no one steps on their toes, all is well, but let something happen to that same witness...then that's another story...I have read that all over all the x witnesses sites...Many sat there hearing that families are broken up and children die because of blood and so on, and many just sat there like stone, why because, it didn't affect them at the time...but when any of these negative things happen, then folks started to wake up...Now I'm not pointing any fingers, because I was awake when I came in and saw that the org, isn't all that, so I got issues too, but at least when I hear something that doesn't sound right, I don't dismiss it because I'm in good standing,

The org isn't headed by God all by themselves...all churches as messed up as they are, are all headed by Jesus and God....

The problem with illustrations, we all see in the color we are ourselves....so no doubt the art dept. of the org. just got diversified...if at all....

The anointed are men that were not defiled by women....aka: Eunuchs...makes sense that God would choose men that can't be tempted by what gets everybody in trouble....SEX...This time God's angels/anointed will not be tempted by the daughters of men.....wonder why they verse says, defiled by women....so now sex is defiling....I think something got lost in translation...maybe the verse said, men who have never known sex...something like that...sex is not defiling....only rape...

Someone said the level of arrogance proves that the GB are beyond help.....that says it all, and arrogant people are drawn to this religion and that's why it takes so many a long time to see the TTATT...their arrogance...even when they society/friends admit they are wrong, they still have a bit of arrogance about their being wrong....

And we Black folks never learn, we want to be accepted so bad in this society, but we don't pay attention, because we want to be accepted so much....we complain how in balanced our government is racially, yet we join this religion that shows no diversity in who is going to run things in the new system....more duh?

I don't care if this is God's org. or not...and don't care who is in charge, believe or not that's why many stay in the org...it's God's org (wrong as their doctrine is and will be, that's the hook in itself THE BADGE OF HONOR)....Those of us who believe in God shouldn't look to any org. but only in ourselves....we shouldn't put anyone in charge of our spirituality we should be in charge of our own....see when we leave it up to others for us, then we can blame others and we are not responsible...isn't that why many are witnesses or Christians, we can blame the someone else for our shortcomings....we shunned because the org. said we should, we let our child die, because the org. said so, we never helped anyone but ourselves, why ? because the org. told us to....and all along we knew and know it's wrong...

There is no place in this world where you can hear the truth and why do we need to be lead....the truth is not a doctrine or an organization, the truth is in YOU....

Again, many want someone else to be responsible for their actions...like they used to say back in the day, "The Devil made me do it"....so with many of us in the org....we can use that same excuse so we won't be accountable..."The FDS made me do it".

Tor

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Your opinion is watchtower extremist?

by poopie in

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court gave 4 reasons you agree disagree.

tor1500

Hi,

Are JW's extremist....ummm, well, they say, follow God not man...maybe they are not extremist to the average person. Once you accept their doctrine it may seem extremist to the government of the country they live in...JW's are taught to follow the laws but don't get involved in politics but what do you call sending letters to a government, that's getting involved in politics....

We all know most religions are in bed with the governments, that's why in the US, you can worship any way you want....Religions in the US can get away with anything and they do....

We all know that in Russia they don't like freedoms, only when the freedoms agree with their agenda...they were communists....duh? Why the JW's want to stay where they are not wanted, oh wait, Russia is DF'ing the JW's, so Russia is saying you can stay but we will ignore you....sound familiar....

No they are not extremist, but the literature makes extremists....

Tor

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Next weeks Watchtower. ' Who is leading God's people today'

by UnshackleTheChains in

next weeks watchtower.

'who is leading god's people today' is quite incredible.

i am so looking forward to blondie's comments on this one.

tor1500

Hi All,

Not to sound partial, but when I began to study and notice the 144,000 seemed too be white males, I said to myself, well the new system is going to be the same....white males running things...why die...Then here comes this black guy that is an anointed one....does equal opportunity ring a bell (another tax break)...did the org. get audited and found out the anointed was not diversified ? They do that in orgs. My place of work was told we were not diversified enough, so we better start adding some color to the place. But to be fair and honest who else could go around the world and buy land, only white folks, black folks still waiting for their forty acres and a mule...No doubt many readers wrote in and asked why no other color are anointed, so they most likely scrambled and found this guy...

Anyway, that's another topic....wouldn't you like to be a fly on the wall of the JW's brain when the sentence is read, we are not inspired nor infallible...wonder what the average JW will really be thinking, I think even the most dug in witness will say in their mind....so If the GB isn't running things then who is? This is what the average thinking person the org. is saying....The org. is just covering their behinds...they are on the internet now...they are going to have to eat some crow....many that may come in now may question many things...and ask their teachers...

But because I'm a witness, this statement or WT, won't mean a hill of beans to the average JW....oh, this statement may shake a few up, but then they will be invited to a gathering and be around the ones they love conditionally and back to business as usual....because, no matter what, It's God's org. even the child molestation issues are exposed, majority won't leave....many of the witnesses that I have spoken to, know of a child molestation issue that wasn't dealt with and also they know it's all over the org, but it's because they carry Jehovah's name....so Jehovah will take care of it...but when they say it, they don't sound so convincing, because don't think the average koolaide drinking witness ain't asking, how long Jehovah, how much longer ?

Many of the JW's are there because they think they are just like the Jews....CHOSEN.....but if they read the scriptures, the Jews are the branch and the rest of us are just grafted in...and if we think that God has forgotten the Jews....read and think again, JW's...

Let's face it many witnesses have a need to be validated and belong and the org. is a perfect place for misfits, if you need a pat on the back being a witness is the right thing to be...even if you read a scripture (even a 4 or 5 year old can do), you get commended....they always say, it's good to be encouraged...the average person out here goes about their day without being commended every minute of the day....but not JW's they complain how they are not appreciated at their job....it's not that, they just want to be patted on the back for just doing their job... Many witnesses suffer from lack of attention...and need a pat on the back all day long...but some are just attention hogs...those are the ones that always have to go to the bathroom in the middle of the meetings....

So, this WT like many others will go over the witnesses heads, but they will think, but won't mention one word to anyone...although, I do have a few in the congregation that will say, so who is running things?

Tor

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Outcome - Banned in Russia - Final

by OrphanCrow in

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i just watched the live feed from the russian court room and followed the updates on the russian exjw forum.. just waiting for confirmation from other sources...but, it looks like the final (and expected) result is:.

banned.

which means that the wts property in russia now belongs to the russian state..

tor1500

@Irishdub,

I know exactly where I'm at...I'm not blind to the org...I would like to fade without it being a big deal. All religions think they are right and the JW's are no different, but what one of their problems is their arrogance of being God's only channel....and they truly believe that, me it doesn't matter whether it's God's channel or not...folks have no idea what God wants...so I take what man says with a grain of salt...I judge people for myself not what others say about them....yes I have a good heart and if I let the JW's at it, they'll suck the good right out of it then try to build me up again....I know the game....thank goodness....

Well, I just said my peace about how the org. can assist the Russian friends but I know better...but Jehovah did say he wanted no more sacrifice but faith....guess that'll be a new light one day...

Tor

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Outcome - Banned in Russia - Final

by OrphanCrow in

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friends

i just watched the live feed from the russian court room and followed the updates on the russian exjw forum.. just waiting for confirmation from other sources...but, it looks like the final (and expected) result is:.

banned.

which means that the wts property in russia now belongs to the russian state..

tor1500

Hi Irishdub,

Wish I knew how to do it....how do you make a suggestion like that....that would make to much sense...if the GB's really cared about them, they would get them out of there....but, then there is persecution...how can they be persecuted if they pull out of Russia....

Now just think of the Headlines.....JW's ban together to bring Russian JW's out of Russia, by JW contribution of just $2 per week per person....that headline could outweigh the one where they may be exposed about child molestation...I think this would be a good move and would make them look real good...

Can't suggest it..I'm just a woman....and we ain't got enough sense to know snakes don't talk.....

Maybe someone will send a letter from readers and suggest we all (approx. 8 million) should give $2 per week to bring our Friends home....undercover...

Tor

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Outcome - Banned in Russia - Final

by OrphanCrow in

jw
friends

i just watched the live feed from the russian court room and followed the updates on the russian exjw forum.. just waiting for confirmation from other sources...but, it looks like the final (and expected) result is:.

banned.

which means that the wts property in russia now belongs to the russian state..

tor1500

Hi All,

Been taking a break. Was not keeping up with the latest of the org. and the Russian ban....inside I was hoping that more of what happens in the org. would be exposed more than just banning their literature and calling them extremist. Religion itself is an extreme way of living, being and living....for some it really means putting God first.

I said in another topic that the org. has enough money to relocate these families in Russia if they want to...The friends would give their eye tooth, not their home....to help...Now get this...the org. says it has approx. 8 million friends...we meet twice a week, if we all give $2 per week the org. would collect approx. give or take $16 million a week, just think just $2 per week. That could be announced from the stage, friends...just $2 per week and we can help our Russian friends leave Russia, well the ones that want to leave...there may be some that have been waiting for this ban, just so they can leave the org...and what better way then to say, well, can't go out in FS, we are banned....(Shrug)

Hasn't anyone ever thought that Jehovah may not want the witnesses in Russia, just like he told the disciples to avoid Asia and Samaria, because he had other plans of how the Good News would be spread....especially in Samaria, the Good News was brought by Jesus to a woman and that's how the Good News came to Samaria, by a woman that had been married before and was not living with a man that was not her husband, yet Jesus used her...so if the good news IS to be spread in Russia, maybe it's not by the org....remember they FDS gets the brighter lights from God and maybe God didn't tell them to go to Russia, but they went anyway...Russia is another world power, just like the USA...except we make love not War, but don't sleep on America, we will rise if we have to because of the freedoms we have....the only place I know you can talk about our Gov't and not be tossed in jail or we can get mad and walk if off in a protest....

Those witnesses who want to stay to be hero's we can only put them in prayer, they have the free will to stay or go...it's not like their are millions of them...matter of fact, put them up in Warwick...state of the art Hotel...what GB would bunk with a Russian family ?

Tor

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You Can Encourage An Inactive Christian!

by Yesu Kristo Bwana Wangu in

https://www.jw.org/en/publications/jw-meeting-workbook/april-2017-mwb/meeting-schedule-apr10-16/encourage-inactive-christian/.

this is part of the clam meeting this week.. how contradictory is it?.

first, they instruct people to avoid inactive ones and to shun them and to treat them the same as da'd or df'd ones, .

tor1500

@Awakenednow and Disassociated Lady 2,

Great comments....(remember hearing those words after the meeting even though you may have not commented or just read a scripture). You both nailed it....

I believe in Jehovah and Jesus Christ, don't care if they are the same or separate...someone died for our past and future sins...that's the meat and potatoes, if you wish to believe....

Jesus is the way and the org. better get that soon, if they intend for this religion to continue...

Don't worry folks the friends see the colors of the elders....more and more folks are finding out that the elders are just men....or should I say robots...they may not believe what they read but they have to distribute the information anyways, whether they agree or not....I get phone calls from the friends, just to talk and wow do they talk, they tell me things they can't tell others...to me I already know about the org. but I guess some are just waking up...

So, we are told to search out the inactive ones....then tell the elders....ummmmm, I hope they don't ask them no questions to promote them from DA to DF.

Toe

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Disfellowshipped people are dead people?

by snugglebunny in

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skimming though my iphone earlier today i came across a fb post - which i now can't find!.

basically it was a claim that a gb member had stated that associating with a disfellowshipped person was akin to sleeping next to a corpse.. so obviously i'm curious as to whether anyone else has come across this..

tor1500

Hi,

The Witnesses are back in the mid-evil days...The still think folks eat blood, they had blood lettings back then because they thought the evilness was in the blood.....

Folks that they DF don't believe in Ba'lam...they just don't believe what the org. is saying about God, or maybe they smoke or whatever human frailties mankind has....Most of the DF'ing that is done, has no grounds....it's for nothing, sex....the very act that brings us here, sex, without it...The Elders wouldn't have anyone to DF, as a matter of fact if it wasn't for sex, the elders wouldn't exist either.....

The witnesses are taking the bible too far....the longer they peer into the more rules and regulations they will see and enforce....they have to re-invent themselves, so there is enough in the bible as a don't, that can keep religions going for decades....

Jesus never DF anyone, many of the rules in the NT, are told by Paul, so he was just giving rules to the places he visited and needed those rules.

DF'ing is just about control, that's all, just like hell is the same control other places of worship use...all to make us good, ain't working....folks are human and like Paul says, he want to do the right thing but he can't....he's conflicted, just like the rest of us...we too want to do good, but sometimes, we are just human...oh yes, and imperfect.

Tor