Posts by tor1500

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A sucker is born every minute

by Sour Grapes in

i was an elder in the 1970's and i was not a big fan of the "stay alive until 75" dogma.

i was looked down upon by the heavy hitters on the body of elders and in time i changed my mind.

i knew of the failed prophecy of 1914 being the end of all times which was repeated for the year 1925...yet i came to believe well maybe this time they've got it right.. with every new watchtower, i combed over every word to find support for my change in my belief that the end was coming in fall of 1975. at the district assembly in 1975, everyone clung onto every word in the final talk.

tor1500

@Sour Grapes or anyone else,

I've heard so many conflicting stories...did or didn't the org. promote 1975, was it written, was it a rumor. If many believe 1975 was the year, who told them...did they pull out of the sky? Was it the org. that told the brothers and sisters & because they believe it...the org. has egg on their face so, they blame the bros. & sis ?

I know someone who was around & they were an elder...& he says, yes, the Society said it...he even sent me the articles that stated it. Has anyone ever sent an old copy of their lit. where they stated the end in 1975...

I heard the society squash some rumors that weren't true....so if this was a rumor at the time...why didn't they squash it then....they had plenty of opportunities. They could have had an assembly to put the rumor to rest. Some of us on here remember when they had that special program, where we told...NO TIGHT PANTS...They let the friends just soak it up because it boosted the #'s...They are doing it today...using the events of the day...

The world believes what it sees....remember Exorcist, folks lined up to go to church, remember Jaws, folks scared to go in the water....Psycho, folks scared to take a shower....folks believe what they see...

Does anyone have copies of 1975 Stay Alive to return to the society to see what THEY SAID...I don't know how this could be done, but if someone could download some of the literature & place it on Google...so when someone Googles JW's 1975...folks would see that it wasn't a lie.....They would have a hard time they didn't.

Tor

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Every time I see one of them loving their kids, I think....

by jambon1 in

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every time i see photos of new jw parents cuddling up to their new babies.. every time i see people giving the parents new baby cards & gifts.. every time i see them having fun with their children.. i think to myself; 'you would shun your kids' .

if they don't end up being jw's.

if they simply publicly declare that they don't believe.

tor1500

@Pale Emperor,

This is something to keep in mind....Mum is going to get older, even though she thinks the end is right around the corner. Who is going to look after her when she gets older ? I won't swear or bet, but it'll be you. I have found in this life, that the very people that say they don't need you .....eventually, they will. If you are a type of person who shuns your own family....basically you are a mean spirited person, so they most likely chase folks away.

I was the one who commented earlier about....what type of folks shun their own flesh & blood, what is the nature of this type of person ? Most of the time folks on here never answer me or reply...I think at times I make folks really think...or maybe I'm balanced even if I'm a witness...& I don't have any sob stories...but who cares, I'm on this site to vent & make sure, I'm not crazy....& others see & hear what I do.But all us on here need to really look at the core of a person who would shun someone....this question also makes us look at ourselves...Who are we really inside...I'm a witness...not hard core, but I like my congregation. When it comes to DF'ing, they always say, it's a loving thing to do....I just look at them, then in my mind...bingo...they exposed their real character. How could they have any real love in them...Love is a strong emotion...so strong, songs are written...One song that comes into mind is...Love is stronger than pride...it's like you can't turn it on or off...Even children Love no matter what type of parent they have, they could have a druggy parent, but they still love them. The worse parent could lock their child in a closet, when that parent opens the door, that child will reach out to them...

We have to pity those who shun, there is nothing in the bible that says this...folks have misinterpreted it completely....JW's use the bible to support some of their nonsense, cherry picking all over the place...But let me remind folks...the bible in the wrong hands can be fatal...Slave masters used the bible back in slavery days to uphold slavery...."Slaves be good to your Master". & Guess what? The slaves believed it because they couldn't read...so they couldn't read further to see what the bible really says.

I love this site...I read it daily...I mean daily....who ever started this site...

It's a beautiful thing.

Tor

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Every time I see one of them loving their kids, I think....

by jambon1 in

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friends

every time i see photos of new jw parents cuddling up to their new babies.. every time i see people giving the parents new baby cards & gifts.. every time i see them having fun with their children.. i think to myself; 'you would shun your kids' .

if they don't end up being jw's.

if they simply publicly declare that they don't believe.

tor1500

Hi All,

WHAT IS THE NATURE OF A PERSON WHO SHUNS ANYONE? WHO ARE THEY AT THE CORE, ARE THEY CAPABLE OF LOVE?

Here's a little story, I had a friend who was a heroin addict. Her parents put her in all types of drug programs. They tried everything to get her off of drugs. Well, they took it another level (aka: tough love). They had her arrested, then the system sent her to another program...Viola, she kicked the habit. Did her parents give up on her...NO...My friend died a few years ago, but it wasn't from drugs...just a health problem, but her parents stuck it out with her. This is just a little example of when a child doesn't turn out the way parents think they should.

I can't imagine someone that grows a child in their tummy is capable of shunning their child, oh yeah, you can get so angry with them, that you may not want to talk to them, but that doesn't last. In my mind ( I said my mind, so i't only my opinion), there has to be some disconnect in a person to begin with to be able to do this.

Another thing to think about we don't what folks do out of the sight of the org. I know some folks that have family members DF'd, sure in the hall, they are distant but some have slipped while talking to me & say they eat here or there or go here or there....

There are folks who are just hardcore JW or Not JW. To have love in your heart is not as common as we think it is. It's really a gift. Many at the hall have to be reminded to LOVE, because they don't have a clue of what it is....Love has to be taught to some. Maybe some have never experienced in their homes or from anywhere. Ever hear some of the friends when it comes to the fruitage of the spirit ( we hear millions of times) they say, Ah, what great reminders...DO WE REALLY HAVE TO BE REMINDED TO LOVE. Either you have it or you don't. Again, many come from places where there was no example of LOVE. For some it comes naturally, those know they never had it so they want to love even if it's difficult for them.

The folks that can & do shun their own they have to be pitied. They are missing out on THIS LIFE...In this life, we don't know who's going to give us our last drink of water.

Hopefully the ones they shunned will rise above and love the ones that shunned them regardless.

Tor

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American democracy in crisis

by slimboyfat in

okay cut to the chase.

the united states has got a problem.

hillary clinton is so unpopular that practically any republican who ran against her would probably have beaten her.

tor1500

Hi Supernerboy,

What does making sense have to do with anything...I live here in the USA, nothing here makes any sense...we have politicians that go on facebook & expose themselves then still run for office. We have no shame....police incriminate themselves on a daily basis, yet some can kill in cold blood & still want to be cops...In the USA, bad publicity is better than none...Look at Trumps hair...come on everyone...that in itself is incriminating...marrying x amount of times....no shame to his game...he blurts out stupid stuff...that incriminates him, does it stop him ? NO...What these folks do on TV is just a show, they may even break bread together...I work in corporate America, I've seen folks fire a person and swear they are enemies & next thing you see them on facebook hanging, it's all a show.

How do I define the rich, those who are so removed they don't know what's going on...I do agree rich folks do donate, why because they can. Poor can't donate...

I work with folks who make a lot of money....I see what their concern is....more $$$. I have nothing against the rich, if it can't be me, why not them. What some rich folks do is cry with a loaf of bread under their arms.

Making sense....nothing in this world makes sense except 2 plus 2 equal 4. Does it make sense to keep talking about how Marilyn Monroe & JFK died...they have been dead for years...why keep trying to explain it...

There was a song called..."Stop making sense"

Tor

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American democracy in crisis

by slimboyfat in

okay cut to the chase.

the united states has got a problem.

hillary clinton is so unpopular that practically any republican who ran against her would probably have beaten her.

tor1500

Hi,

It was monumental that we had a black president. Everyone was so busy worry about that, when they looked up, they had these two bozo's running....OBama would only be in for 4 or 8 yrs. The Dems. & Rep., had more than enough time to find better candidates. Trump is a business man, PERIOD...& he's not used to the word "NO". Plus if he gets in, he doesn't need any donations for his campaign. So if he gets into office, he won't owe anyone any favors. He can do what he darn well pleases..as he usually does. Hilary, well, she always wanted to be president, since forever...I got this thought, Hilary is going to run, she sends Trump all these emails to say, Listen I'm running & I need a mate to run with but I need to win. So Trumpy, I know the folks won't vote for you but to make it look good, run with me...& so folks there you have it...& those emails that Hilary got rid of where the emails to Trump...& she got rid of the evidence...I know this sounds nuts, but this is America, & we are still trying to explain JFK assassination....

Us Americans vote for rich folks then cry....THEY DON'T HELP THE POOR...uh? Why would they, they are rich....only folks that care about the poor are the poor. But a poor person doesn't have the money to run, so America is stuck with rich folks who want to rule the world.

Tor

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PS. 105:15 Anointed...

by tor1500 in

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this week bible reading is ps.102-105.

i noticed in ps 105:15: saying, “do not touch my anointed ones,and to my prophets do nothing bad.".

so are these part of the 144,000?

tor1500

Hi All,

Great feed back. It's just when I saw the word anointed, it triggered 144,000 thing. It could be literal or figurative, who the heck knows....but it's not the # so much is that they are not defiled by women. What the heck, so having sex with a woman is defiling....since when? I know what the society says, this does not mean that but that they are blah blah blah...makes no sense.

So many things in the bible don't make sense, but that really doesn't matter to me....What I have learned is that to be kind to folks, well to be honest, I knew that before I became a witness...that's another story...

I think that most folks that read the bible, just don't understand why God killed women, children, cats, dogs, etc. How could a loving God do this type of thing. & Since Jesus has been ruling since 1914 or is it 1919, whatever, what has he been doing ? Guess what? The org. wants to know too. That's why they TRY to answer the question, they are wondering too. Otherwise why ask? As they say, We must wait on Jehovah. & we keep waiting & waiting & waiting....

I love this site, it's makes you feel that you are not crazy....or spiritually weak. I notice at times when I may share something with one of the friends regarding the orgs. writings & they see something and can't explain it...it's almost like they short circuit....they don't see anything different from the orgs. writing and the bible...SAD.

I don't find the bible to be too nuts, just the way man interprets it.....

Tor

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PS. 105:15 Anointed...

by tor1500 in

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friends

this week bible reading is ps.102-105.

i noticed in ps 105:15: saying, “do not touch my anointed ones,and to my prophets do nothing bad.".

so are these part of the 144,000?

tor1500

Hi All,

This week Bible reading is Ps.102-105. I noticed in PS 105:15: Saying, “Do not touch my anointed ones,And to my prophets do nothing bad.". So are these part of the 144,000? I thought the beginning of the anointed was at Pent. 33 CE. Am I wrong ?

The whole 144,000 thing is really nuts...first of all aren't they are not supposed to be not defiled by women....Rev. 14:4:These are the ones who did not defile themselves with women; in fact, they are virgins.+ These are the ones who keep following the Lamb no matter where he goes.+ These were bought+ from among mankind as firstfruits+ to God and to the Lamb.

Any thoughts ?

Tor

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Which Scripture "don't judge others customs"?

by Drifting Away in

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i am starting to get to the boiling point, to make a long story short, i am getting hounded from alot of family and elder visits.

i sorta put a halt on the elder visits, but the family is starting in on me now.

anyway to get back to topic, what scripture is it that says something to the affect of that do not judge how some celebrate there customs or beliefs or something like that?.

tor1500

@ DOC,

Of course commentators agree it's not considered from the original texts. Why? Because, what it's saying is this...None of us, & I mean none of us has the right to judge another person. If Jesus didn't judge why should we. There are so many scriptures that say, we should not judge, because if we do, we will be judged as well. Basically, it's saying what goes around comes around. Jesus even told a woman, that she had been married several times & now is living with a man....did he judge her...NO. He told her not to do it again.

I think this judging thing goes over folks head. When the bible says, DO NOT JUDGE. Isn't there a period after that statement ? It doesn't say, do not judge, BUT....No, it doesn't. Now of course you can judge what you will or won't do, but that's the extent of it.

To be honest, I don't want Jehovah's/Jesus's job. I wouldn't want to judge anyone, it's even difficult for me to be on jury duty, love the time off, but hate when I get picked for a case...All you hear is, hearsay, I wasn't there. Plus I don't know the whole story.

I think Drifting away could use any scripture that speaks of judging...I think there is one that says, Don't judge, lest you will be judged. Elders have to be reminded, oh bro. you can judge me all you want...but, hold on my friend...your day is coming....

This reminds me of a twilight episode where, the man who was the executioner would hear the person who was about to die via electric chair, telling the executioner, I didn't do it, I'm innocent...then he says, "They all say that". Well, later on in the story the executioner is the one in the chair now...& he says the same thing that those he killed said...& guess what? What do you think the executioner said just before the plug was pulled..."I didn't do it, I'm innocent." Now the new executioner, says right back at him, yep they all say that...Another saying comes to mind...It's always the thief that screams the loudest...I have so many of them.

It's always ok when we do it, but let someone else do the same thing....we hang'em high...

I know it's difficult to wait on God, but I'm telling you, I've seen folks in this life get judged, because they were unfair or misjudged someone or a situation...& Guess what? I didn't have to lift a finger.

Tor

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Which Scripture "don't judge others customs"?

by Drifting Away in

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friends

i am starting to get to the boiling point, to make a long story short, i am getting hounded from alot of family and elder visits.

i sorta put a halt on the elder visits, but the family is starting in on me now.

anyway to get back to topic, what scripture is it that says something to the affect of that do not judge how some celebrate there customs or beliefs or something like that?.

tor1500

@ Drifting away...

This is one of my favorite, it doesn't pertain to celebrating but it covers the judging, PERIOD. It's John 8:1-11 of which is not in the revised NWT. They took out verses 1-11, but in the NWT before the revised, it's still in there, so here we go. John 8:1-11:But Jesus went to the Mount of Olives. 2 At daybreak, however, he again presented himself at the temple, and all the people began coming to him, and he sat down and began to teach them. 3 Now the scribes and the Pharisees brought a woman caught at adultery, and, after standing her in their midst, 4 they said to him: “Teacher, this woman has been caught in the act of committing adultery. 5 In the Law Moses prescribed for us to stone such sort of women. What, really, do you say?” 6 Of course, they were saying this to put him to the test, in order to have something with which to accuse him. But Jesus bent down and began to write with his finger in the ground. 7 When they persisted in asking him, he straightened up and said to them: “Let the one of YOU that is sinless be the first to throw a stone at her.” 8 And bending over again he kept on writing in the ground. 9 But those who heard this began going out, one by one, starting with the older men, and he was left alone, and the woman that was in their midst. 10 Straightening up, Jesus said to her: “Woman, where are they? Did no one condemn you?” 11 She said: “No one, sir.” Jesus said: “Neither do I condemn you. Go your way; from now on practice sin no more.”

So, you can read this scripture to them or make copies & have them read along with you...No doubt they will say...where in the bible did you find this...Then, you'll say,I got it from the NWT, then one of them will say, I don't remember seeing that, then you'll say, it's in the NWT before the revised....& the revised version, the society took it out....

Then just sit back & take it all in...then let them call HDQ to see if you are right about them taking it out & why.

Bam....

Tor

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Catholic women diacons...

by mikeflood in

pope francis sets study commission for women diacons.....could the watchtower follow sometime in the future?.

tor1500

Hi All,

I think they will stick to this scripture: 1Tim.3:2:The overseer should therefore be irreprehensible, a husband of one wife,. Yep, even if they aren't called deacons, elders, MS, etc., They would never apply the scripture Gal. 3:28:There is neither Jew nor Greek,+ there is neither slave nor freeman,+ there is neither male nor female,+ for you are all one in union with Christ Jesus. Yep, this scripture goes right over their heads. In the future, look for it to be a new light...meaning they saw the scripture all along, but because they painted themselves in the corner & can no longer justify how they view women...trust me....the light gets brighter. They saw this scripture, but one thing about the org. they are stick to their guns...until they have no more bullets to shoot down other religions...

Eventually, they may be forced to change....but I don't think the men want to give up the CONTROL...it's like taking the remote control from your hubby, and or boyfriend...

Tor