Posts by tor1500

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Did anyone else go to this weeks midweek meeting?

by NikL in

in the congregation bible study, the book addressed how "truth" is progressive.... 18 just as jehovah progressively revealed truths about the kingdom in the period leading up to 1914, he continues to do so during the time of the end.

as chapters 4 and 5 of this book will show, over the past 100 years, god’s people have had to adjust their understanding on a number of occasions.

does that fact mean that they do not have jehovah’s backing?

tor1500

Hi All,

I was at the meeting...& yes, they did the same thing...also, not too many comments regarding the book study...Folks are waking up...they rushed through it. This book is about turning our love & attention to the org. But again, I see the lights going off in their heads....

Does this scripture come to mind: Eph. 4:14:So we should no longer be children, tossed about as by waves and carried here and there by every wind of teaching+ by means of the trickery of men, by means of cunning in deceptive schemes...

Well it comes to my mind...what I'm wondering is if they are not inspired....does that mean that they are not guided by the holy spirit ? But by what & whom?

I think they are still talking to the not so smart people of years ago....Not today....

In the video, they are asking for engineers, & other type of professionals...well, how can they, they condemn higher education....so where are they going to get these folks from....but even if you don't have any skills...they want you to volunteer to serve food...I heard a rumor that when it came to building, they had to hire outside contractors...anyone hear that ?

Love this....& so true...So really prophesy can only interpreted by what has happened? Sort of defeats the purpose of prophesy it seems to me...So true...so what they are really saying is that they shouldn't be predicting nothing until it happens...

The org. is now all about smoke & mirrors...yes the chariot is moving & the friends are on it, moving away from them...fast..

Tor

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This week's bs, bible study help

by Normalfulla in

hi all , because i'm useless and can't be bothered studying, i need some rebuttals for the excuses given in this week's bs , (i love how the acronym matches its origin) my uber dub father pleaded with me to study this week's book study as it addresses my issues with them being directed by holy spirit etc and how jah reveals things progressively , problem is i know there's a great argument to put fwd with proper preparation but i'm onto my 2nd drink of the evening and can't be assed , please unload some smoking guns i can take with me tomorrow .

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chur.

tor1500

Hi All,

I don't remember on this site who says it best....It's a cult...Yes, & I'm a member....trying to hold on .....

What've found out...it's not the doctrine, right or wrong, they are happy that the org. admits they are wrong, as a matter of fact a sister at the meeting said just that. She is happy to belong to an org. that can admit they are wrong. What many have to realize, not all, but most witnesses are socially inept. Most of them have this vacant look in there eyes...Ever hear birds of a feather flock together...I'm not perfect, but I'm not mental. Most of them have a mental issue, they don't focus...they don't remember anything....But you can show them from the scriptures they are dead wrong, but you know why the majority are there..."IT'S GOD'S ORGANIZATION". That's is right there...that's why the majority stay, knowing that the imperfect men can steer them wrong. They have an elitist gene...even if they were to be in another church, they would be like those folks who like to sit up front in the pews. Many don't feel worthy, so because they belong to God's Appointed Org. this is what validates them. Even though some are educated, there is still something missing in their brains...I'm in the hall, out in service...spend time with them & this is what I see. I don't spend too much time with them because....I'll be like them...& I'm fighting like heck....

So the bottom line folks...they don't care if the org. is not inspired & infallible....because it would never occur to them to ask....so if you are not inspired & infallible...how are you feeding us & by whom...

It also would never occur to them that the org. is building & building & building...Warwick is the state of the art construction...yet, we are in the last days...so why build ? One sister said, well, they are looking to the future, I slid in there (in my own funny way), what's the sense of building & we are in the last days...guess what folks ? It went right over her head...Yet, they tell us to simplify our lives...I'm not supposed to buy a new 100 inch. TV, but it's ok for them to have an orchestra, big screen TV's etc....

So again folks, don't bother to try to show them that their doctrine is wrong, that doesn't even worry them in the least...They belong to God's appointed org. & oh, another validation...they are carrying Jehovah's name...like a wife who is carrying the name of her hubby...so proud...I'm such & such wife...that blows up their skirt...

By the way, Jehovah, isn't that a Jewish name...isn't God the God of all nations...

Again, leave the witnesses alone....God will reveal it in his own time...don't think they can keep the ARC a secret for very much longer...

Tor

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Fifteen years later, I went to the UN in person.

by biblexaminer in

of all the things that the watchtower has done wrong, what would you say is the singular most powerful thing that you could point a jw to, to crack their eyes open?

what is the singular thing that can be expressed bluntly and conclusively that might shock a jw to their senses?

if you could only carry one arrow in your quiver on your way to war with watchtower, what would it be?.

tor1500

Hi Schnell,

Thanks for the info. The org. can poke holes in this article because of it's from a worldly professor & in a Univ. in America...they will say, that's worldly info....I'm talking about documents from Jerusalem....a professor in Jerusalem. Something from their museums, their documents. Even though they would love to poke holes in it...how could they, it's coming from the mother land it self...

Has anyone on this site, ever been to Jerusalem...if I had the $$$, I'd like to do just what the person who wrote this topic did...go see for myself...

Who better than Jerusalem would know when they were destroyed....As they say go to the source...The org. would never accept anything from the USA regarding the fall of Jerusalem. I have an old set of Encylopedia's & they don't mention 607....but again, the org. would say, it's influenced by Satan...but what if...actual documents were supplied from Jerusalem it/themselves...that would be pretty difficult for the org.

Anyway, as many say on here...That's my 2 cents...

Tor

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Org Is RACIST! Towards Sisters Of COLOR In Particular--IMO!

by HiddlesWife in

i'm sorry--i'm getting this very sensitive vibe that the org (mainly those at the top) don't have any respect--forget about love--for sisters of color.

i'm coming to this conclusion from a couple of videos on jw broadcasting about single sisters.. after watching this video: .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnjrbkggp4g.

tor1500

@LonghairGal,

I'm on the same page as you...I make a good living...I help when I can...but the hall is full of users...& if you aren't married, they think you are up for grabs...meaning you are at their disposal. Most of the brothers like me but know I'm confident...I see them when I'm at a gathering... they check me out, I'm not a wall flower...I think they are afraid that their wives will copy me.. Many of the brothers sometimes like to correct me....guess what ? I let them, I'm not giving them no ammunition...

I'm finding out most witnesses are users....if you happen to be nice, they'll take advantage of you. Now I know why some friends keep to themselves. I like you don't fall for the poverty ACT...many act as if they don't have $$$, but guess what they do....that's an act of holiness...but when you think of it...it's an insult to God...he blessed you with a good living & folks running around saying they poor just to make points with God...

I spend time with the friends but not too much...whatever they have, I don't want it....

As someone on here said...after all these years...only 1 black GB...guess that had to fill the affirmative action clause...& another one on here said the org. is run by white men..so when I first came into the truth & saw all the anointed were white...I thought to myself, what's the difference...so,they run things now & in the future, so where is this paradise ????? It's the same set-up...

Tor

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Fifteen years later, I went to the UN in person.

by biblexaminer in

of all the things that the watchtower has done wrong, what would you say is the singular most powerful thing that you could point a jw to, to crack their eyes open?

what is the singular thing that can be expressed bluntly and conclusively that might shock a jw to their senses?

if you could only carry one arrow in your quiver on your way to war with watchtower, what would it be?.

tor1500

Hi All,

Great topic....smart to go to the UN for yourself....Now, what I'm waiting for is someone to go to Jerusalem & find out the real date of it's destruction....I can't go at this time because of I'm a caregiver. Who else would know when they were destroyed...no doubt they have the real truth...Wonder how many JW's went to Jerusalem & never thought to ask or did ask & found out it was not 607 or 609, I forget....The org. can discredit all information that comes from the world but from the actual place ...NO....& if there were any information that was found in Jerusalem, how would the org. re-act....

Tor

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"The G.B. is neither inspired nor infallible"

by smiddy in

that admission in the feb.17 ,study edition of the watchtower , " who is leading gods people today ?

" "the governing body is neither inspired, nor infallible, therefore it (they/we) can err in doctrinal matters or in organizational direction .".

have the many jehovahs witnesses past and present who have lost their lives by refusing blood transfusions due to the prohibition on blood tranfusions by jehovahs witnesses really got the sense of this statement ?.

tor1500

Hi All,

I didn't read all the replies. There is another thread on this as well...but I want to run down the middle .....

If the Org./GB's are not perfect nor inspired....where do they get they get the spiritual food from...A round table discussion...

Any thoughts ????

Tor

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Major Doctrinal Changes Must Be On The Way

by notsurewheretogo in

the statement in the article "who is leading gods people today?

" in the feb 17th study edition of the wt is very interesting.. it states: ""the g.b.

is neither inspired nor infallible" ..we can err .in doctrinal matters....".

tor1500

Hi Again,

Love this subject, we can all go to the town of what the changes.....may be.

I was just looking at Matt.24:45-47 Who really is the faithful and discreet* slave whom his master appointed over his domestics, to give them their food at the proper time?+ 46 Happy is that slave if his master on coming finds him doing so!+ 47 Truly I say to you, he will appoint him over all his belongings. So the master appointed his domestics to give food at the PROPER TIME. So when is the proper time? Are we eating too early....is the food not cooked yet ? If a master appoints someone, it's because they are trusted....Are we not ready for the food? What ?First of all this is a parable...to me it means...be ready....I don't think this scripture was meant to be read & for someone to take the position of the faithful slave. Just like in the paragraph, it mentioned that if we helped the least we helped them...Again, Jesus was saying if you helped someone who had less than you, you were helping Jesus...this is not about the brothers...at all.

Even the bible says some of what Jesus says were in illustrations, because what he wanted to share with folks was too deep for their brains...how can an org. apply themselves to the illustrations & say, hey, that's us/me.

All denominations are about $$$$. At first they want to save lives but you can't keep a church open on dinners & raffles.

The org. ran so far ahead of the scriptures they can't justify most of what they tell the friends...but their pride won't let them really come clean. I do believe that if the org. really came clean...I mean really...folks would stay...but at the same time, the org. couldn't control the flock...because the flock would say...now, now....remember, you are not inspired & you can be wrong, because you are imperfect, just like us.

Tor

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Major Doctrinal Changes Must Be On The Way

by notsurewheretogo in

the statement in the article "who is leading gods people today?

" in the feb 17th study edition of the wt is very interesting.. it states: ""the g.b.

is neither inspired nor infallible" ..we can err .in doctrinal matters....".

tor1500

Hi All,

So many good points...@ Steve2, I was thinking that too. As a matter of fact, I started a topic on this is how I think they will show how they are being persecuted....because as I said before, if you read Luke ????. It gives the sign of what to look for but the verses right after that says, these things won't happen until they are taking to jail or persecuted, I forget which...so it came to me...ahhhh...how will they spin this....that's when I thought about all the stuff going on in Australia & other parts of the world...that may be why they are quiet about it...that's their trump card.

A part of me thinks when the religion first began, they wanted to distance their doctrine so far away from other doctrines, I think they went too far...they ran ahead of the scriptures & now they are trying to back track. Most of their doctrine is pretzel logic...again, now because of the internet, of which I think they monitor, they find out, that folks are not stupid & can read...

So if God or the holy spirit talks to them, not inspire them, how do they come up with this stuff to right...the next question that should appear in the "Questions from Readers". So if you are not inspired & infallible...how do you get your information....if they say, the Holy Spirit, then one could say, oh really...so when the holy spirit directed you....did you have on earphones...or do you need a hearing aid. The holy spirit is either lying or you guys are...now which is it...does the Holy Spirit misdirect or do you mishear then misdirect the flock...The holy spirit is from God/Jesus...the scriptures say, they don't change...so what's the story????

They are CYA, for some reason, that we may get to find out or not....But as Steve2 says, persecuted for Pedophile, that's not persecution, that's criminal....it's not like they are being persecuted for a good reason...they are guilty & they know it...they have been pointing fingers at out religions, & now...look...it's now them...There are too many stories & they won't be able to squash them all... One day, major media will pick up stories of JW's. They are shelling out so much $$$ for so many things, they can't keep up with the holes in the dam.

We will just have to wait... at this point, it could be something or nothing..remember the meeting about tight pants...'nuf said.

Tor

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Major Doctrinal Changes Must Be On The Way

by notsurewheretogo in

the statement in the article "who is leading gods people today?

" in the feb 17th study edition of the wt is very interesting.. it states: ""the g.b.

is neither inspired nor infallible" ..we can err .in doctrinal matters....".

tor1500

Hi All,

I agree with Steve2...this is about the ARC, they know that the friends know, but won't talk nor ask. But they have to save face. The changes can be any number of things. They are so sure we are living in the last days, but in Luke, it says, these signs won't happen until there is a persecution...I think they are setting the stage via Australia & saying this is it, you all....GT has begun...it's happening right now in Australia...we have been fighting in courts, they want us to pay up, or go to jail....that's one spin...OR...they have been monitoring the Ex-JW's web-sites...& they have painted themselves into a corner with their doctrine....Folks can read & comprehend now. Also, they can see the baptisms are going down...

They can no longer say, Jesus is Michael, when it says in Hebrews, "To which angel, did he ever say you are my son"...you just can't beat that. They can no longer say, the rider on the horse with a bow without an arrow is Jesus, for one, how can you ride out then come back & open up another scroll....Stevie Wonder could see that...even in braile...1914, nothing in the bible to point to that date...they can say 607BC until forever, but all other books say another date..can't remember the date...Christ wasn't born on Xmas...who knows...back in the south when their were slaves, many didn't have birth certificates so they celebrated their birthdays whenever...So Chris wasn't born on Xmas, he was born so our sins will be forgiven, so what matters is that he was born...144,000, not defiled by women...that just may be literal...

The internet is poking holes in their doctrines...& they know it...the internet is exposing them...& they know it...

They are trying to keep control....

For me, just teach what the bible says, don't add nothing....about, blood, sex, drugs & rock & roll, let each one be accountable for themselves...we don't need no stink'in GB/Edler police...

Tor

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God's Rule Book ....The org is setting the scene....

by tor1500 in

jw
friends

i went to my midweek meeting this week.

very interesting....couple of things i noticed in the god's rule book, this week finishing up "the kingdom is born in heaven".

there was a footnote that read:for many years the watch tower was intended mainly for members of the little flock for their personal edification.

tor1500

@ Doubtful,

You are so right...even when we go out in service the conductor tells us where we are going, everyone appears to either right it down or put it on their mobile devices...We go outside, and the first thing one of the friends ask, where are we going?

I watch them in the hall, & you are so correct...they don't even remember the comment they made...they sitting looking like they are taking it in but all the time...their mind is somewhere else...

I think most of them have attention span issue...you can tell them something & the next minute it's gone right out of their minds...what's that about?

They come out for service with nothing..no pens, pencils, paper, literature....& mind you these are seasoned witnesses...not newbies...

As many on this site say, most witnesses are just going through the motions...They do their time, do a few return visits, go out to be seen....

All I can say is amazing...

Again, they don't see nothing...I was telling one sister, that DF'ing is a form of control, just like in other churches Hell is a form of control. All religions hold something tragic over peoples heads to keep them in line, it's either DF'in or Hell...both control or supposed to control our actions...she said...she never thought about it...

I think that's the operative word..."THINK". To be a witness you don't have to think...everything is wrapped up in a little package for us...believe it & keep it moving...So when they check off things to do list...Take Garbage out, check, don't forget to pick-up from cleaners, check, stop at the store for milk, check...My Spirituality...went to the meetings, did my WT & Christian life, kind of heard what the brothers said from the platform (although I don't remember, was thinking about something else) & went out for 2 hrs., check....To do list for the week...Completed..

Tor