Posts by tor1500

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Thoughts on African Americans and Slavery

by Simon in

let's start by saying that slavery is of course a terrible thing, one of the worst crimes imaginable, and that "slavery" rarely implies good treatment, anything noble or defensible.

nowadays, even god doesn't escape judgement from our enlightened views with passages about slavery in the bible usually glossed over because they are shameful.. but not all slavery was equal.. because of the media, movie industry, racial tensions in the us regularly shown on the news and our taught history, i think most people's knowledge and idea of slavery is that of the north atlantic slave trade where white people took africans to work in cotton fields.

this idea is probably also re-enforced because the largest group of descendents of slaves we see today are african americans (usually in the us or places they subsequently migrated to).. but it's incomplete.. it's only when you look into it more that you discover that there was much more to the slave trade than that, otherwise it would have been just called "the slave trade" and not "the north atlantic slave trade".. some 12.5 million slaves were taken from africa to the us with just under 11 million surviving the trip so it obviously took a terrible toll immediately, even before any maltreatment once they landed in the americas where conditions and treatment were truly awful.

tor1500

Hi All,

Didn't read everyone's comments...Slavery....ummm, where should I start....It's America's little dark secret. The US never thought slaves would be free, they wanted free labor. Black History is so deep, I'm black and there isn't a day, I don't find out something about blacks back in the day and how we got over...

America is always looking for free labor or cheap labor, everyone that comes to the US, starts off at the low part of the totem poll, give them a minute, they are living next door.

America was built on the backs of Blacks...they built the White House, & yes some blacks where allowed in the White House, but they were slaves...Then here comes Obama....a Black Man in the White House....how dare he blemish our most sacred WHITE HOUSE..again, think why did they name it the White House...it was their mentality back then & still now.

When Blacks talk about slavery, many people squirm, and say, well, that was then, not now...yet, the Jews tell their story of the Hollacost as soon as the baby comes out of the womb....this is to let the child know...what their folks went through and don't take what you have for granted..again when blacks try to talk about it we never get a chance to finish...yes it does make people uncomfortable. Yet, they tell us to get over it....when 911 happened folks were just so devastated, oh how could they do this to the US...on & on, well, this is what I say, you want blacks to get over slavery....get over 911..

The reason for slavery is very simple money...why was there a war between the north and the south...no folks it wasn't about freeing the slaves, it was that the South was making more money then the north...even Lincoln said he wouldn't have freed the slaves if the didn't have to, but he need soldiers...& we blacks wanted to be in accepted in the society, so they went to fighting thinking it was about freeing them...no not that at all. Same thing for blacks in the Org. they just want to fit in to main society & be accepted, that's why many blacks are witnesses....and along with other nations we are all slaves of the GB's...The GB's live on a big plantation with the house slaves, while the GB's are drinking their mint julips on the porch. We rank & file are out picking cotton aka: preaching & teaching....and giving our money to the Masters (FDS) so they can extend plantations all over the world for other masters to crack their whips....

We blacks forgot to tell our young ones how blacks made it through, that's why our young ones don't understand and believe life is easy and stuff is handed to them. But if they knew our history, they wouldn't take this life they have for granted....because as crazy as it seems, slavery could happen again...

That's all for now....I could tell you more...but as Jack Nicholson says...You can't handle it...LOL

Tor

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Sisters as Ministerial Servants?

by Spoletta in

my wife has been trying to convince me that the organization is hinting at the possibility of making some older sisters ministerial servants.

she is awake to a lot of the false doctrines, but is still clinging to the hope that the org may become more progressive in the future.

anyone else pick up on this?

tor1500

Hi,

They would have to have a new light...but 1 Cor. 14:34-35: women keep silent IN the congregation, for it is not permitted for them to speak, last line of verse 35 says for it is disgraceful for a women to speak IN the congregation. And I know why ? The females got so much to say to whoever they sit next to during the service, what could be so important that it has to be said then, always digging in their bags, looking to look holier, sanitizer, then comes the lotion, oh yeah they have to offer you some, like you don't mositurize before you get there...I don't think this scripture is saying that at all...it's telling Women to keep quiet during the meeting....It said IN the congregation not to the congregation...I'm a witness and women can be very distracting, just busy, or antsy I should say. Don't let them have a hubby, oh my, it's like they don't talk at home...but if that particular day she don't want to talk & she is in her holy mode, shhhhh....happened to me...a sister and her hubby talked all through the meetings...about what I couldn't tell you, yet when I would sit next to her & said one thing, what a look, or If I sat next to someone & she was in earshot, she said, I heard you guys talking all through the service, you know we're supposed to be quiet during the meeting...it took all I had not to say, Really so when you and your hubby are talking.......but I didn't...Nerve

So back to female MS. They would have to provide a new light...I think I got one...it's in Gal.3:28, where it says there is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor freeman, there is neither male nor female, for you are all one in union with Christ Jesus (Not Jehovah: that's another Topic). If they still insist on 1 cor. they can say the understanding that Paul meant for females not to talk during the service, but after careful research and the Holy Spirit we now understand that Paul didn't mean they shouldn't teach. So we have a new light...which the holy spirit directed us to....Gal 3:28....isn't that wonderful friends....applaud applaud...then I would like to say your More'on it's not a new light, it's been there all the time, you just didn't want to use it...but you saw it.

Let's get this straight...no matter what we see at the hall...the males ain't in charge at home...Mama rules the home... and the hall behind the scenes...

Tor

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TV commercial seen in the United States, from a Law firm "Asking if you were ever sexually abused by JEHOVAHS WITNESSES, please call".

by Dunedain in

ok, so i don't know if this is "old news", and if this has been seen, and or mentioned already.

if it was, i do apologize, but i feel i have to mention what has been seen on tv, within the past 24 hours.. first off, i would like to say that i did not personally see this commercial.

however, it was seen by someone that i can verify 100% is telling the truth, as it was my own father who saw it.

tor1500

Hi,

Uh Oh, here comes the persecution they been talking about.... It's in Luke where Jesus tells his buddies what will happen in the last days...in Luke Jesus says, these signs will not happen until they are handed over...I think this is all they'll need to really say the end is here...watch out you all.

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Winnesses of ME (Jesus)...Acts 1:8...NOT Winnesses of Jehovah

by NikL in

jw
friends

so jesus said in acts 1:8 .... you will receive power when the holy spirit comes upon you,+ and you will be witnesses+ of me in jerusalem,+ in all ju·deʹa and sa·marʹi·a,+ and to the most distant part* of the earth.. .

witnesses of jesus and not jehovah.

so i was a witness for years.

tor1500

Hi NiKl,

No, I don't see you as stupid...you felt you belonged and that you had a place to fit in. Like so many witnesses, I don't think they don't see certain scriptures but you may have had a sense of belonging and felt religiously safe. Your life was nice and neat now....you were able to check mark your life. &&&& you were young...

I'm still active, I know we are supposed to witness for Jesus....if the org. represented/witnessed about Jesus it would be a different religion.

Tor

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Scriptures rarely mentioned

by dothemath in

a couple of examples of scriptures hardly ever quoted is 1 tim.

2:12- "i do not permit a woman to teach, or to exercise authority over a man, but to be in silence".

or verse 11- "let a woman learn in silence with full submissiveness.".

tor1500

Hi,

To dispute Michael is Jesus...Hebrews 1:4-5: So he has become better than the angels to the extent that he has inherited a name more excellent than theirs. 5: For example: to which one of the angels did God, ever say,."You are my son; today I have become your father? And again: I will become his father, and he will become my Son?

Another scripture that I think shows that Jesus is Jesus not Michael; Luke 2:21:in part it says he was named Jesus, the name given by the angel before he was conceived. In the King James it says which was so named of the angel before he was conceived...so the org. should have used the King James version if they wanted to prove Michael was or is Jesus.

Tor

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JW requesting food assistance to Babylon the Great.

by sp74bb in

jw
friends

barcelona (spain), jan 8, 2017 at 1.30 pm.

two publishers of the tagalog group in barcelona (public meeting at 4.30 pm) do visit an evangelical church barcelona downtown to receive free food bags.... i can confirm that the queue was long.

the pastor in charge of this church has not allowed me to take picture of some older jw living barcelona downtown, but i was able to catch these young publishers.

tor1500

@ Schnell,

Exactly.....one day that just hit me...all I could think of is that's nerve...

Tor

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JW requesting food assistance to Babylon the Great.

by sp74bb in

jw
friends

barcelona (spain), jan 8, 2017 at 1.30 pm.

two publishers of the tagalog group in barcelona (public meeting at 4.30 pm) do visit an evangelical church barcelona downtown to receive free food bags.... i can confirm that the queue was long.

the pastor in charge of this church has not allowed me to take picture of some older jw living barcelona downtown, but i was able to catch these young publishers.

tor1500

Hi Schnell,

Thanks, I'm so long winded...but thanks for the encouragement...I like your posts as well. I just speak what I see. I'm educated but when I come on here...it's just the facts.

By me being new in the faith, if I let them they'll drain me dry emotionally and financially.

Schnell, this is something else that comes to my mind....how can immigrants come to the USA, and turn their nose up at this country, the very country that lets you in and gives you freedoms of speech, religion & so on. The reason they come here is for opportunity. Where they come from sometimes they don't even have water to drink. Yet, they come to America, become witnesses & thumb their nose at the very gov't that allowed them here...We say give us your tired and your poor, they come & THEY ARE ATTRACTED TO THIS RELIGION. UH? That's over my head....or should I say...NERVE...where you came from their gov't wouldn't even spit on them if they were on fire....that's been on my mind Come to America and diss half the pop...if anyone else reads this...thoughts?

Tor

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JW requesting food assistance to Babylon the Great.

by sp74bb in

jw
friends

barcelona (spain), jan 8, 2017 at 1.30 pm.

two publishers of the tagalog group in barcelona (public meeting at 4.30 pm) do visit an evangelical church barcelona downtown to receive free food bags.... i can confirm that the queue was long.

the pastor in charge of this church has not allowed me to take picture of some older jw living barcelona downtown, but i was able to catch these young publishers.

tor1500

Hi,

The JW's bite the hand that feeds them....they take advantage of Black Friday,Kawanza or any after the holiday sales. They live in starbucks so every time I go with them they get a discount or free cup or coffee, what about Godiva chocolates....I've been with a sister that will stand in line because she got a text from Godiva saying....stop by and get you FREE CHOCOLATE (mind you it's just one piece). Yet, will go to Lord & Taylors & or Bloomingdales, turn their nose up a K-Mart or Target (which we here in the US say Targ'ee: French you know, LOL)

I was talking to a sister and we were discussing Good Will/Salvation Army. The conversation started like this...I work at a place sometimes we have sample shoes but they were not pairs, so maybe size 7 but only the left foot and so on...Well, I'm thinking, what can we do, so I said lets put them outside and maybe someone can use them, not really thinking what could anyone do with one shoe....now in my mind, I'm thinking how charitable I am, so glad I thought of it...now I work with a sister...nice sister...really...easy going non-judgmental, yet at times she does drink the JW special kool-aide but I don't hold that against her....Well, here this sister comes and says, hey lets donate them to an organization where people may only have one foot, OMG, I never thought of that...& the sister didn't say send it to Bethel...I'm just saying..so that let me know...I ain't as good as I thought I was...anyway, the sister that I told about this situation says, well you got to be careful because these org. that are donated to, don't always do what they are supposed to. I said I know that..but if one person benefits from all the donations then that's a good thing...We have coats drives, yeah some of the folks that work for these orgs. take first pick but the majority of the donations make it to the various places...so for me just to throw it away because of what I think ....that's not right..so I said to her, so we should have just tossed the shoes in the street as garbage rather than help at least one person? Silence...now mind you, she gets disability, lives in a place for the elderly (brand new), goes to pantries..etc. I have to blame her attitude on ignorance...Some people don't believe in charity unless it's coming to them.

JW's are self serving...now here's something to think about, JW's are not all wrong for taking care of each other...just think (without pushing their doctrines) if all the churches/places of worship took care of each other.

In the words of MLK (Martin Luther King), I have a dream/hope that maybe one day, all the diplomats are thrown out of the UN & the clergy from all over come together and stop all this non-sense of who is right and who is wrong, just like Tazewell sat down & went through the bible just think if all denominations sat down at the table & ask God for Holy Spirit to help them bring mankind together...it's not about one doctrine it's about helping one another...the message is THAT WE ARE EACH OTHER BROTHER/SISTER. No matter kindness is universal.

I do write long post...I know, so forgive me...I'm an x-Flower child....so we always saw peace & happiness..

They don't want folks to go to college or have a job, but who are the ones helping the ones who have decided to full time preach. That's ok if you want to do that...but count the cost.

I have more to say but, I'll spare you folks...

Tor

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Rank & File Reaction to Leah Remini Series

by freemindfade in

wife and i have watched the whole series and just finished episode 7 last night.

personally, i am seeing a great deal more subtle and day to day similarities to watchtower than the obvious ones i already knew existed, ie shunning.

very eye opening and heartbreaking, even more so than going clear in my mind.

tor1500

Hi Toesup,

Thanks for your reply. Ain't that the truth... that's the way most folks in or out of the truth, as long as it ain't them. When you are going thru something they'll give you a few scriptures, that is because they are so busy they can't handle your issue, But let it be one of them that has an issue and nobody listens or do what they do, give scriptures but then give a comment how we should take time to listen to one another. Most witness are self centered and require a lot of attention maybe because they never got it from home. Some are not strong enough to face life, let them wait on line too long...they huff and puff cause you know they are witnesses and should not wait so, they get upset & want the new system just because they had to wait on line.

I find some witness full of themselves just cause they know the scriptures....a child can memorize scriptures. Most witnesses don't even know what love is....never experienced it...because if they had they wouldn't have to learn it from the org...love is a feeling that cannot be taught...well in my opinion anyway. Even some that seem to be meek, or when they talk into the mic..they have these little voices like that makes them more holy. Don't sleep on the meek and shy ones, once they learn the truth and now a little popular depending on how many hours and how much you don't work so you can meet during the week when the rest of us slobs are working. Once these meek ones find out they are validated....watch out....as you say, they are snug.

I think one of the MO's of witnesses is to be accepted someplace....

I love my job and they treat me well, but it doesn't mean that I can't see the problems...sometimes humans can be so sad.... Our upbringing plays such an important part of us...many of the things the org. teaches, should have been taught from home, but I do know that's not always the case....the scriptures talk about the seed and the soil, some seed is good seed but planted in the wrong soil...

If they made a series of JW's & JW's watched & saw someone they knew telling the story they still would not see it. Only if their little toes were stepped on. It would be nice for a series to happen about the witnesses not to crumble them but for folks to make a choice to stay but not out of force. The Catholics were exposed and folks are still attending.

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Rank & File Reaction to Leah Remini Series

by freemindfade in

wife and i have watched the whole series and just finished episode 7 last night.

personally, i am seeing a great deal more subtle and day to day similarities to watchtower than the obvious ones i already knew existed, ie shunning.

very eye opening and heartbreaking, even more so than going clear in my mind.

tor1500

Hi All,

I didn't see the series. I do know a Scientologist...They are much alike to JW's. But they don't like JW's. They say they seem to have no heart, when they come to the door and read a scripture they have no life it's like they are reciting..

I have been a witness for just a short while...my observation is that when a person is a witness and all is well,they have never been counseled or corrected, treated fairly, well liked and so on....but let them be treated unfairly or something or other burst their bubble about the org. only because now THEY HAVE BEEN OFFENDED. They have a very cavalier attitude when it happens to someone else in the congregation, they are quick to say, well they needed to be corrected, Satan was probably trying to get a hold of them or they were spiritually weak, many of us on here know what I mean. But when it happens to them the blinder finally come off. Why because it was ok when it was someone else now it's them...& not always but when that happens many end up on sites & say the org. is this and that. They shun, the doctrine, the hours, some of the brothers and sisters are unloving....now before they were offended or unjustly counseled this stuff was still going on but not to them.

What I've learned in this life is it's always the thief that screams the loudest. The thief can steal but when you take theirs, well that's a different story.

If JW's watch the series & all is well in the hall for them & their families. They are a part of a social group and they are in the in-crowd, no they won't see the similarities...because they are safe...but the ones who have had problems with a brother or sister & so on....when they see this series they would see the similarities. I've seen and heard this many times, if a brother gives you a direction, & you obey then you share with one of them, they'll say, well even though he is a brother but you don't have to follow. But if you say the same thing but say the brother told me to do this but I said I wasn't comfortable doing it, the friends would say, well he is a brother and you must follow them. Darn if you do and darn if you don't.

I'm finding many on the websites that are witnesses or x-witnesses they come on when they feel they have been treated wrongly, but if they weren't would they be on web-sites like these...I see many say, when they were in they didn't see it...but when mistreated oh well, now they can see clearly.

So JW's that are safe in their little paradise world will never see the similarities but when trouble comes then we will see them here. I'm happy for places like these web-sites and for people to be able to come to be healed but would they have come if all was still well in happy land...I'm here because I'm not on the fence, I would like to leave without being DF'd if possible. I see the truth for what it is. Many have buried their heads in the sand.

Someone said shunning of loved ones...true love does not shun. I know it's easier said then done but if your love ones only love you because you worship like them, walk and talk like them...are they truly love ones.....shun & love should not even be in the same sentence. It's a big world out there....this religion is good for folks who have OCD....everything is all neat and nice....home clean, bible clean and neat, all their publications neat, everything in it's place even God....I can live my life because everything is in order....

So all that to say, some will see it and some refuse to see it & some, one day when life in the org. is not so to them, they'll see it & we will see them on this site. But I'm glad they'll have this site or another one to come to when the bubble bust...because it would be unloving for me to say...or feel they should suffer. But when they were doing the shunning it was ok, but when it's comes back...we shall see them.

Tor