Posts by tor1500

53

Skinned and Thrown About.....

by Tech49 in

this is a little long, but stick with me.. if you recall, when the building work was in full swing at the new lakefront villa (warwick), wt was having workers come and they would put them up for a year, or more, while they were providing "volunteer services".

with that, and the impending need for hundreds and hundreds of new khs in the usa territory, the congregations were abuzz with the need for "continued construction volunteers".

recently, as many of you know, wt headquarters has sent pretty much everyone home, and is no longer needing workers at the new warwick site, as the building is mostly complete, with the dedication coming up later this year.

tor1500

@ToesUP,

Exactly, JW's are about being seen...I was told that regarding field service...as long as you go out and be seen. But you are so correct...it's all about appearances...seen given out literature, seen at the hall, if you're not noticed at the hall, then go to the bathroom to be seen...

No most JW's are not who they are in the hall...they send their representatives to the hall. The real person is when you just drop by the house..but again they can put on then....I say be a fly on the wall and you would really see who they really are....

I've seen the nicest brothers in the hall and when they leave they are yelling at the wife to hurry up...

But when you come to think of it we all send our representatives out ....most of us never show the real them, because most folks feel the real them would not be accepted....

I feel sorry for those that this has happened to...but would these same couples if heard these stories, would they have had any empathy for them ? I don't think so, they would have soft soaped it and said....Jehovah will make a way.

Tor

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Has anyone reached out to Mrs Remini by email .

by poopie in

jw
friends

just curious .

tor1500

Hi,

It would be nice to reach out to her to find out how she was able to do this. As LongHairGal, says it's the JW fight. If anyone did reach out to her...again, maybe she could give some information of how she got this on TV, since this is a high controlled religion as well.

I didn't see it but I know folks from that religion and they don't like JW's....and JW's don't cotton to them either....

Does anyone think there is a former or current JW that would stand up and tell their story?

Tor

53

Skinned and Thrown About.....

by Tech49 in

this is a little long, but stick with me.. if you recall, when the building work was in full swing at the new lakefront villa (warwick), wt was having workers come and they would put them up for a year, or more, while they were providing "volunteer services".

with that, and the impending need for hundreds and hundreds of new khs in the usa territory, the congregations were abuzz with the need for "continued construction volunteers".

recently, as many of you know, wt headquarters has sent pretty much everyone home, and is no longer needing workers at the new warwick site, as the building is mostly complete, with the dedication coming up later this year.

tor1500

Hi,

That's the issue with most witnesses, they don't want to think, they just want to be fed. They don't want to take any responsibility for their life...they are told everything from getting up in the morning until they go to bed. No Thinking needed...that's why when they df'd or victimized they are lost...also, if they leave their life in others hands...they don't have to take any responsibility for what they do...notice what most say....the org. told me to do this or that, and I did it I gave my life to them and they ......Teflon...even when they sin, they say, we don't want to bring any reproach on Jehovah's name...they won't take the responsibility for committing the sin, but the first thing they do is put it on Jehovah... I sinned but now Jehovah's name is reproached...No buddy, your name is reproached....take accountability.

Once a JW get's his toe stepped on now they see the org. for what it was and is....as long as they are bathing in glory...they don't see nothing wrong with the org. but yet they do, because when you love something so deep, you can't turn it off or on...as soon as the org. showed their real colors...Loving the org...Not so much...

The org. is full of attention hogs...and they ain't no good when they don't get it...

Tor

23

Internally rolling my eyes.. Get this

by raven in

a bit of an update, last weekend was my great grandmothers funeral, now, she was never a jw, and never was going to be, no matter how hard my mother, and grandmother tried to preach to her, she was the type of person that would kindly accept a wt or a book, but she wouldn't bother reading them.. anyways, she was a great wonderful and inspiring woman, the funeral was extremely sad, she had been a school teacher for over 35 years and a member of various clubs, so there were a lot of folks besides family that attended.. well, anyways i was there and so was my jw mother, stepfather, and grandmother, we were cordial, didn't talk about anything jw related because, it was great grandmothers funeral, not really a time to discuss how i am an evil sinner, or how i've escaped the org by avoiding df'ing, right?

wrong, as i'm sitting waiting for the service to begin, a lady shows up, now- i have known this woman for a long time, apparently she baby sat me as a small child, (like i remember?

) so she isn't someone i was ever close with, but knew of her or when she was around would say hi to and make small talk.. to give you a tid-bit on her personality though, she is one of those crazy jw's.. she claims to have been possessed by a demon, very very wacky on the prophesies, or gb talks, etc.

tor1500

Hi Raven,

Sorry for the lost of your great grandma...that's wonderful to have known your great grandma, many don't get the chance to...I was fortunate to know mine as well.... Grandma love or in your case great grandma love is so unconditional...Parents love you but they have to love and discipline but grandma's think their grandchildren are so magnificent...you can almost do anything when you are with them....they can spoil you then send you home...But in your case it was your great grandma that you got that from....at least you got a shot at unconditional love...not many experience it...

You handled yourself very well at the funeral...you were respectful and nice...& you recognized she is crazy, we have one at the hall...but not like this one..this one is crazy but likes to have a lot of attention....The friends don't bother with her, because she is crazy, so me Miss Nice has taken to her...but I kis now how to pull back she may be crazy but she's a user...

Anyway, this lady is overly zealous....maybe not even thinking this was not the time to approach you...all she sees is someone that she feels she can save, but don't know she needs help herself....mental health....First she is crazy, so give her a pass, if not, then, she was counting time and a showy display that she witnesses anytime and anyplace...Not all witnesses but some have a mental inbalance....why I say that because when we go out in service and they give us the territory...they xplain, where, who and when...to go...we get outside...the first thing most of them say....where are we going and what did the brother say....it's like most of them have an attention problem....it's so frustrating...they take pix of the territory...then when they look at the phone because of the sunlight they can't make out the territory...so they still don't know.....me I write it down...then we get outside and the friends say, again, where we going ? Then look at me....I say, the brother just told us....why are you using up my brain, don't you have one...no comment from the friends...

What you can take away from this is that you were lucky to have had your great grandma...you had good times...keep those in your heart and mind and she will live forever...Leave the negative out of this situation and don't let it dictate the rest of your life....

Oh, she ain't been crying since you left the truth...she never gave you a thought...I've experienced that at the hall. Aw, sister, I've was thinking about you blah blah blah...phooey....If you want to see the best actors in the world...don't go to the movies...go to a Kingdom hall near you...a bunch of actors for God.

Be Strong...and Enjoy your life don't let this stop you from having JOY.

Tor

53

Skinned and Thrown About.....

by Tech49 in

this is a little long, but stick with me.. if you recall, when the building work was in full swing at the new lakefront villa (warwick), wt was having workers come and they would put them up for a year, or more, while they were providing "volunteer services".

with that, and the impending need for hundreds and hundreds of new khs in the usa territory, the congregations were abuzz with the need for "continued construction volunteers".

recently, as many of you know, wt headquarters has sent pretty much everyone home, and is no longer needing workers at the new warwick site, as the building is mostly complete, with the dedication coming up later this year.

tor1500

Hi,

Great story....it's kind of reminds me when you are a study....the friends are all over you...they make you feel so special they love bomb you....this only works for those who didn't get this type of attention at home...you get to comment...you are invited places. You are the star....everybody wants to come to your study...then you get baptized...then just like in the hospital....the tubes of love are removed...I've seen it happen so many times at the hall....I see the sadness in the newly baptized ones...they have a look, like what happened....I was so important and made over .....what they don't know is that the friends have moved on to the next study and start the process of love bombing all over again....

It's easy to be a witness if you are constantly praised...and it's easy to stay one, but if that is what feeds you as a JW, when it stops, then that's when the rose colored glasses come off...then they come to this site or another..

I find some not all witnesses don't like to work, but they full time pioneer....I think it's a "I don't wanna work" gene in some of them...I have a friend that was raised a witness never baptized....we talk...she says she noticed most of them didn't want to work...there were brothers in the hall and they didn't want to work just preach and teach...she decided not to stay and married not a JW...& to this day been marred almost 50 yrs. Anyway, I noticed the same thing..some of them ask if I know of any part-time job so they can still go out in the ministry...I don't know any part-time job...because our bills require full time money...

I kind of feel sorry for these couples..they put their faith in man....& they will sock it to you every time. The org. is full of attention hogs...that's the bottom line...there are tons of jobs out there that can give you all the attention you need....a job at the information desk at a store, a front desk person and so on....

I don't remember the scriptures that mention that some want to come into the church and sit in the front....and to show off that's JW's. They are Pharisees....

Now the couples feel they have been betrayed...now they don't have the attention they once had...now look at them....deflated balloons, they can barely live not because they can't pick themselves up and start again, but because there is no limelight...Some people will only do some thing if someone is watching...Since they aren't stars anymore, they can barely pick up the pieces...

I think the org. started noticing that many were just freeloaders...not too mention not enough money to house folks forever...folks are living longer now...

This is just what I think...don't necessarily have to be true...

Tor

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If the Org. confessed they were not God's org. Would you still be there and was that the main reason you stayed

by tor1500 in

jw
friends

i know you know who i am by now...the one that forgets to use paragraphs...anyway, all over all the jw sites (not jw.org).

it's been asked if you knew this or that why did you stay...it's been discussed how no matter what you hit the friends with, failed dated, new lights, pedophiles, etc, yet they stay and you can't reason with them....so what i've come up with is that most stay because they feel it's god's org.

and they were chosen in place of the jews.

tor1500

Hi Halfbanana,

You hit the nail on the head....I've never knew how to put it in words, but you said exactly what I think...Many JW's feel they are nothing, so the org, makes them feel worthy....& you are so right, many think they will not die but just cross over into paradise....

They don't give a hill of beans of whether it's God's org or not...THEY HAVE FOUND A PLACE TO BELONG...a place that accepts. For some it's the family life they never had...I speak to many of the friends and their backgrounds are something else, it's a wonder they survived.....

@Vidiot,

That's so true, they did bite off more than they could chew....I don't think they ever thought the day would come when they would have to back peddle on the scriptures....as I used to say when I was little...(The Org)..They think themselves so smart.

@Fisherman, exactly, just because someone said it was God's org. doesn't necessarily make it so....but what convinces them that it's God's org. is because of the preaching work, they claim what other religion is doing what they are doing and it must be blessed by Jehovah because the preaching work is still going on ......it could only happen because of Jehovah....this is not my thought, remember I'm in the hall, & this is what they say..Not thinking God must bless other orgs. as well....what came to my mind is IBM....been around for ages...they have influenced the Tech world all over the world....is that God's doing?

Just like they say, Jesus came in 1918 or 1919 but in 1914, he became king...how do they know? They Don't...but they know you can't step to them because this stuff is all invisible and you ain't anointed so you got to listen to us...Everything the org. claims is invisible...

It's a good thing Jesus didn't have any children because 8 million JW's would say they are a descendants of Jesus...that's just how chosen they think they are...

Tor

82

the-question (607 BCE explained and proved)

by pleaseresearch in

so a user named "the-question" said the jw's were right about 607 bce.. this is your chance brother to prove us all wrong.. we all can't wait to hear from you :).

tor1500

Hi,

I say they are trying another method of counting time....Door to Door ain't working...Question may answer or not...I say don't give him no more hours....Plus they are not supposed to be on a site that's not JW.org...especially if they are really drinking the kool-aide.

Tor

25

If the Org. confessed they were not God's org. Would you still be there and was that the main reason you stayed

by tor1500 in

jw
friends

i know you know who i am by now...the one that forgets to use paragraphs...anyway, all over all the jw sites (not jw.org).

it's been asked if you knew this or that why did you stay...it's been discussed how no matter what you hit the friends with, failed dated, new lights, pedophiles, etc, yet they stay and you can't reason with them....so what i've come up with is that most stay because they feel it's god's org.

and they were chosen in place of the jews.

tor1500

Hi On the Way out,

Thanks for admitting it...not saying that is why most are there but I think that's one of the main reasons..even though as you say you had doubts....As you say if they told the truth...you would have gone...& I believe that most would leave if that would happen....I think this question makes some uncomfortable...they don't want to admit who they were before they learned TTATT...they don't want to admit they were full of pride not because they knew the bible, who could know the bible the way the witnesses teach it....today's truth is tomorrows un-truth....so the pride would not come from knowing the scriptures....the pride was they belonged to God's org. & many looked down on others that were not JW's. So many are angry with the org., when in truth be angry with yourself for how you allowed someone to tell you how to treat others....when you knew deep down inside that's not right....

I remember the org. told of many who left because Russell died...so who were they following man or the bible...

Tor

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This site should be called Anti-Jehovahs-Witnesses Cry-babies

by the-Question in

so, you left because of a bad example(s).. why all the whining?

nothing better to do with your time?.

you at least know far more about the bible than any church-goer?.

tor1500

Hi All,

When folks come here and ignore the facts....they are comfy in the org. They don't see anything wrong because now they are in good standing...right now...? is most likely in good standing...he or she fits in they are accepted their future is taken certain...Don't want to wish any harm on this ? person, but just wait if and when the friends turn on him unjustly or make a snide remark....Many of us when we were in the org, thought we were so suchy much...we too had our tails on our soldiers, because we have the truth....you know that pride we all had thinking how sad it was for those who didn't....no look...as they say pride cometh before the fall...

We hope ? will never have to experience what many experienced on this site through the org. But when he does...most likely he or she will change their name from question to something else so none of us will recognize them, because they will have to eat their words by calling folks on here whiners....as I say don't wish it on them...As we know many of us were as smug and judgmental as they are ....but it's just a matter of time..

There are a lot like ? on Allexperts...especially the experts that are JW's, they are something, even if you dare to ask an innocent question they let you have it...& they are witnesses, mind you...Once I told them while I was studying...that they know darn well they weren't supposed to be on the site....then I told them I know why, you counting hours....then they got nastier...because I was just a study at the time, then I said, if this is the way witnesses act when you ask a question, who would want to be one anyway....after that not a creature was stirring not even a mouse...lol lol..

Tor

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If the Org. confessed they were not God's org. Would you still be there and was that the main reason you stayed

by tor1500 in

jw
friends

i know you know who i am by now...the one that forgets to use paragraphs...anyway, all over all the jw sites (not jw.org).

it's been asked if you knew this or that why did you stay...it's been discussed how no matter what you hit the friends with, failed dated, new lights, pedophiles, etc, yet they stay and you can't reason with them....so what i've come up with is that most stay because they feel it's god's org.

and they were chosen in place of the jews.

tor1500

LonghairGal,

No problem, sometimes things do get lost in translation. I can sometime be too wordy just to say something simple.. You are so right Jesus could make an appearance and say he never came down in 1918 or 1919 to inspect no religion let alone only JW's...they wouldn't leave....

I'm a believer but not of the God man says he is ....Man has no idea what God is all about...He wants us to take care of one another...if I was a witness when you were a witness what God would have wanted me to do was to be there for you while the friends were not too nice to you.

As you said some JW's think it's God's org., because of the devine name, but they took this name...exactly...it wasn't like God gave them an engagement ring and said take my name...that's what I mean they wear being in God's org., like a badge of honor like a woman who just got a big diamond....and tell the world...she is going to have a huuuuuuuuusband & from now on she will be carrying his name...

I don't allow them to tell me who or who not to talk to....I have been told that when I became a witness I would have to get rid of my worldly friends...I said why and of course they gave me the JW's dribble...I said, well, I don't mean to be rude, but they didn't keep me from becoming a witness so why would you think if I'm still their friend they would take me out..now I'm not saying it couldn't happen but I'm just saying...but what would take me out of the witnesses are witnesses themselves....their mouths were left open...I like to do those type of things...

I hope we talk again....I wish you the best in this life...and don't let anyone steal your joy.

Tor