&&&& also, Witnesses speak with fork tongue......speak against anything until they do it and it's a victory for God.
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tor1500
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So JW's are not allowed to vote because.... "no part of this world." Ok then explain why the WTBTS lobbied politicians on numerous
by kpop insorry if this was posted before but if it was then it is worth repeating and discussing.
the hypocrisy of the jw cult knows no bounds.
supposedly, the reason jw's are not allowed to vote is because they must not be a part of this world.
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So JW's are not allowed to vote because.... "no part of this world." Ok then explain why the WTBTS lobbied politicians on numerous
by kpop insorry if this was posted before but if it was then it is worth repeating and discussing.
the hypocrisy of the jw cult knows no bounds.
supposedly, the reason jw's are not allowed to vote is because they must not be a part of this world.
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tor1500
Hi,
No JW's don't vote but take advantage of every thing the government offers. They know every trick in the book on how to get over yet not vote...they are a clear example...they bite the hand the feeds them... Let's not mention the USA where they can speak freely because of our laws....the very place that allows them to be who they are, they have the nerve not to want to participate...many have died for the freedom to practice any faith you want here.
I'm a JW, many of them go to pantries and other gov't agencies, then say, it's a matter of conscience but let you do something, like donate your clothes to Charity,then they say the org. doesn't approve....then I say, well what about God, what would he say....silence...
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My Introduction - An ex-elder's story of waking up later in life.
by doubtfull1799 inbackground:.
my parents got the “truth” while i was in primary school.
i was baptised at 14. i loved school and was extremely studious.
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tor1500
Welcome 1799,
How brave you are to be able to come to this site to tell your story. As someone said, it helps you and others to tell your story. Many think it's them...am I the only one that see it....Thank goodness for sites like these...
You must have seen and experienced a lot being an elder a lot of behind the scenes stuff...I am happy you know ttatt. You are right to be sure your wife's health is more stable because depending on her love for the org. how she will receive your decision. I mentioned how much she loves the org. I think many get it confused...the bottom line does she love God more than the org.
I hope you are not upset with yourself for the time you were an active witness and elder, do you know along the way, even if you spoke to a person and they didn't accept the doctrine, who knows you may have changed their life just a little...you may have spoken to someone who was on drugs, or whatever, you don't know what effect you may have had on someone down the line of your service...you may have even brought a smile to someone's face one day....don't discount your service...if you did it for the org....then I see how you feel disappointed, because you can never please man, just slip once & they hold it against you. If you still believe in God, not the God the org. portrays the God of the Bible and his son Jesus...this scripture comes to mind: 1 Cor. 4:5: Therefore, do not judge anything before the due time, until the Lord comes. He will bring the secret things of darkness to light and make known the intentions of the hearts, and then each one will receive his praise from God. I want to point out, the intentions of heart...and Heb. 4:12: For the word of God is alive and exerts power.....last verse, and is able to discern thoughts and intentions of the heart. ....
1799, your intentions when you believed, was purely innocent, you didn't want to mislead anyone, you just wanted to show ones a different life, then the ones they lived. Some took the bait and some didn't. Know this, God knows you meant well. God is nothing like man. With God, even if we intend to do something with the right motive, and you miss the mark, he knew you had good intentions...this is proven by the book of Psalms...We know that David was a man after God's heart...we also know David was a bad boy, but God saw his heart...now if David was judged by man, even though he won all the wars and conquered many nations for man...but because he committed adultery and murder, today if man judged him we would not be reading Psalms today, If a monument was erected of David, man would have knocked it down, But because God saw Davids' heart and intentions...that's why today we are still reading Psalms....why, because God doesn't judge like man...he sees the heart....now I know I've gone on and on...I'm just saying this if you still believe in God....
I think many put too much worship and allegiance to the org. more than God, because when the org. does something or has mislead, folks fall away from God...& how many times have we read, man cannot direct their own steps...I guess for some the org. is the Mom they never knew....the org. shows a certain type of conditional love and if you never experienced love ....conditional love is better than no love at all.
Take care of your wife and family. Show them love and support. They won't expect that because most witness think if you leave you'll go rogue, but what they don't get is that you really learn to love if you don't love the way the org. teaches...
Enjoy this journey....don't let the org. turn you away from God...but if you don't believe in God, that is your choice..this site welcomes all..
Tor
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US news article about low JW education causing problems in life - interesting
by Gorbatchov ingood article, a must read, from my perception.. i did a bachelor and master since 2001, having the same opinion, for a better present and future and for my and family sake: being an educated person, gaining respect and being proud of what i could realize in life.
a win - win situation.. http://www.npr.org/tags/510831679/jehovahs-witnesses.
for present jw and non present jw's, take your change and take the path to higher education.. g.. g..
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tor1500
Hi,
I didn't read the article it wouldn't come up. But higher education is required today. At one time for the Sanitation Dept, and Police Dept. you only needed a high school diploma pass the test and you got a job, now today, you have to some college credits...but this college thing is to weed out those who they think won't have it...but surprise, a lot of people of color are going to college....college is required so you can have only certain folks apply for the jobs...just like people judge you on the newspaper you read, to be considered the suchy much, you read WSJ (Wall Street Journal) or NYT (New York Times)...that shows you are a person of a certain caliber...Daily News, New York Post and USA Today and the Enquirer...those are pedestrian papers....
JW's get higher education, at least the ones I know....Some don't because they don't want to show how illiterate they are so they put down higher education...Plus you know how witnesses want to appear holy..so they love that scripture where Jesus says, foxes have dens and birds of heaven have nest, but the Son of man has nowhere to lay down his head....that's what motivates some witnesses.....they want to be poor and down trodden, they think they will make points with God...
Live like a bum, to make points with God...as witnesses say...."How commendable".
Again, at my hall, most folks are educated and they young ones are going to college and their parents are encouraging them to go...and they don't pay attention to any of them biddies at the hall....telling folks not to go to college, yet when they need some dough, they go the college grad to borrow....
A bunch of nuts an users, not all but most, when someone comes to you and says sister or brother, secure your purse and pockets.
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Wachtower study february 20 - the stress factor
by Gorbatchov inattending for family reasons, and listen in "oversee" modus to the many comments during the watchtower study.. in my opinion it was a self help article on the subject stress amongst the flock.. leave it all to jehovah and help your self with the bullet points.. what i noticed from the comments is the lot of stress mentioned.
comments after comment they told how they handle their problems.
it is a real toppic amongst them.
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tor1500
Hi darksilver,
Video doesn't show...booo whooo...
Thanks anyway,
Tor
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In Your Opinion Do Today's Elders Recognize That The Religion Is BS?
by minimus ini always wondered that while i was in especially when i was an elder.
i recognize that some people,elders included are brain-dead.
but do you think that the average older today knows it's all nonsense?
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@Introvert2,
Thanks, that's how I see. I love men, they are wonderful creatures...but if you observe them instead of trying to change them you'll see how they roll...Men, love to look at women....and women love to look at men...but that is suppressed in the org. Someone told me along time ago, just because you are on a diet doesn't mean you can't look at the menu.
What man wouldn't want to be in the company of a bunch of females...and can talk to them and smell them even if their wife is there...that's a fringe benefit...all these women...awwww...lol...imagine all the pheromone in the hall, it's so intoxicating ....men are visual, that's why in the snow, they won't cancel the meetings, because they want to come to the hall to get their man on...they can look at sister so and so...& say how much he loved her comment...& he is set for the nite, he can now go home and tolerate his wife even be intimate, because he got a glimpse of sister fine....single brothers that are looking but can't find, at least they can come to the hall and smell us sisters even though he may not be a good pick...
I hear you, that's why I would like to leave, I can't preach something that is the truth one day and not the next...I avoid trying to get bible studies..I just go on return visits with folks....like you say, don't want to be responsible for someone else's spiritual well being.....no not me...
Tor
Anyway, thanks for acknowledging me..most folks on here don't bother with me...but that's ok...I get to vent to keep my sanity...plus I think my comments are too long...I try to make them shorter, but I got so much to say, whether right or wrong....LOL
Tor
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I need some advice please
by JaMu ini am a non-jw girl dating a jw man for almost 5 years now since end of high school.
most of the relationship has been long distance.
when we started dating, we wanted a serious long term relationship that would end in marriage one day.
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Hi JaMu,
Read your reply....I think you love him...but I think you have a need here...somehow this male fits your needs. I have been in your shoes many times...wanting men who wanted me but only when they wanted me....from experience they will never appreciate you, you are like one of the boys after a while & if you have a needy personality you'll take the crumbs of attention they give you....
You love him for many reasons one is that he is a challenge...I''m a woman, we love challenges, we love to think we can change the man...NOPE...we are the ones that end of changing...
I think you have made up your mind...everyone here told you what to expect...I'm thinking because you love him and he fills a need in you and you go to the hall, and you see how loving the congregation is...& you'll fall into the love bombing tactic, and say, hey, this religion ain't that bad, the friends are so friendly...& to be honest they are...but in your situation, if you go to the hall with him, don't know what the reaction would be....every Kingdom Hall is different, I've been on this site for a while and some of the stuff the folks talk about never happened at my hall...not to say it doesn't at others....
You are young...& your heart and your hormones are pointing in his direction...Also, ask yourself, is he the only guy that is paying you any attention....and that's why you are so into him?
But from your reply....one of the commenters said it...you just want us to give you the go ahead....but before you came to this site, I think you already made up your mind....you just wanted confirmation...& that's ok...at least you had the sense to ask...Now you know what you are walking into...If you decide to move on with this fellow...and things work out and you either become a witness or an unbelieving wife of a JW,..let me say this first...I wish you the best....but if you find that what most said on here is true....you'll be welcome back with open arms. so don't think if it doesn't work out and you feel alone and no one to talk to...Come back to this site...All are here to help.
Tor
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Wachtower study february 20 - the stress factor
by Gorbatchov inattending for family reasons, and listen in "oversee" modus to the many comments during the watchtower study.. in my opinion it was a self help article on the subject stress amongst the flock.. leave it all to jehovah and help your self with the bullet points.. what i noticed from the comments is the lot of stress mentioned.
comments after comment they told how they handle their problems.
it is a real toppic amongst them.
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tor1500
Hi,
I wasn't at the meeting nor did I tie in...but I read the article...the problem with witnesses...they don't have the faith they preach about...They give it all away at the doors, and tell other folks to have it....They don't trust Jehovah as much as they say in their comments...
They like the word anxiety...but they don't even know what that means...in the sense of a religious meaning to Anxiety, is at the root one really doesn't trust God...& when that isn't your foundation, you are one of those witnesses are mentally and physically suppressed because of hearing and seeing things in the org. that they can't question sooner or later that takes it's toll...just like someone else mentioned, they are gloom and doom...
When they are in the hall oh, what comments...I trust in Jehovah because blah blah blah blah...all lip service, walk outside the KH and be afraid to walk the street because of the bad bad worldly people..you just said how much you love Jehovah, now you scared of the very neighborhood you live in...come on...
Not saying if you believe in God that you at times won't have any trust issues with God...It's hard to do, because we all want to fix things right away...if God don't do it for us in our time, we push him aside and try to do it ourselves...
Someone on this site described the org. this way...or should I say one of the aspects of the JW's. "It's ok to have questions you can't answer but it's not ok to have answers you can't question" That kind of put how it is in the organization...there is an elephant in the room...I'm now talking to some of the friends...and they know..ttatt....but still stay...Most of them are saying...if the brother says it and it's not in the bible it's most likely his personal opinion...
All of what witnesses suffer from is suppression, even married folks can't watch porno...I told one of the friends, they are not all bad, Some can teach and help keep the marriage spicey....she wasn't going for it...ahhh...too bad..Single folks can't masturbate...can't do nutt'in...but eat...that's all witnesses do is eat....They are imitating the scripture that says in the last days folks will be gluttons...We do anything for a free meal...and bring our own doggy bag....
Most not all witnesses are societies misfits, and that's why they are all in one place...birds of a feather flock together...
I'm trying to figure out how to leave .....love the friends...but, the org, is tossing us around like waves of the sea, new light is now the truth, how can it be the truth if it is constantly changing ?
Am I the only one that see's that? The Truth never changes but people do.
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I need some advice please
by JaMu ini am a non-jw girl dating a jw man for almost 5 years now since end of high school.
most of the relationship has been long distance.
when we started dating, we wanted a serious long term relationship that would end in marriage one day.
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tor1500
Hi,
Everyone gave you good advice....take it...I know of a situation like yours...don't think it's long distance but this young lady is Muslim, and she was involved with a JW brother...she really likes him...I mean really likes him, he keeps in contact with her...I think he is playing her too..yet, he has a brother that is dating a non-witness girl...
I agree with Nathan...it's the hard truth..
You don't have to settle...we all want what we can't have...men that we can't get we always long for...don't know what that's about...I'm a female...sometimes we want guys that are just not into us. This seems the case with you. I say keep it moving..keep yourself open to meet someone else...and let me tell you this...& I'm talking from experience...go ahead and get someone else...and watch this JW brother come around...that's how people are when you don't want them no more, now they want you...happens all the time..again, this is from experience....
Find someone that is into you...as my best buddy says,...& she has a wonderful hubby..she says, marry or date a person that if they had two grapes and one was bad...your significant other would take the bad grape and give you the good one...that's when you know you may have the right one...
Again, don't settle..be the fruit on the tree that is high up on the tree so that if any man wants you they would have to climb to get you..don't be no low lying fruit..
Think with you head .....your heart sometimes doesn't always make the right choices...
Keep in touch..
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In Your Opinion Do Today's Elders Recognize That The Religion Is BS?
by minimus ini always wondered that while i was in especially when i was an elder.
i recognize that some people,elders included are brain-dead.
but do you think that the average older today knows it's all nonsense?
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@Lostandfound,
Exactly....you are spot on...I know the wives are really doing the work behind the scenes...I know quite a few Elders wives...They are the ones that keep their husbands afloat....
As you say, the org. keeps us busy so we can't question....for me, I'm not that busy...
Most elders are company men...they tight, because if they move to the left or right, they would stumble...Notice how they strut around the hall....backs straighter than a stick...they are so proud....but that's' all they have....in the world they are just another spoke in the wheel, but at the hall...they are top dogs...
You are right there are some elders who try to help others but the problem is that some of the stuff the friends go to the elders for is petty bs...something they could handle themselves...if the congregation would stop all this petty BS...the elders could maybe have a minute to think...
Someone said it must be difficult to sell a product you know doesn't work...I think most Elders know but stick their heads in the sand, but what they don't realize, you can stick your head in the sand, but your butt is still exposed...
Tor