Posts by tor1500

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Russian Ban exposed but not THE ARC...WHY?

by tor1500 in

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friends

just your thoughts....i've been all over this site, everyone says, that if jehovah was backing the org.

then why so many things happen in the org.

child abuse, shunning, and so on....but my question or thought is why is the banning of witnesses all over the media, but the arc isn't wasn't picked up in the media, like this (oh little leaks here and there, but nothing major) nothing like the nyt or any major media venue where the friends would see it and couldn't deny it, even if they wanted to....why does the media care more about banning witnesses than child abuse...i know even if the arc was exposed many of the friends would stay, but would be shamed, because they talked about other religions...or maybe jehovah is bringing the org.

tor1500

Hi,

Just your thoughts....I've been all over this site, everyone says, that if Jehovah was backing the org. then why so many things happen in the org. child abuse, shunning, and so on....but my question or thought is why is the Banning of witnesses all over the media, but the ARC isn't wasn't picked up in the media, like this (oh little leaks here and there, but nothing major) Nothing like the NYT or any major media venue where the friends would see it and couldn't deny it, even if they wanted to....why does the media care more about banning witnesses than child abuse...I know even if The ARC was exposed many of the friends would stay, but would be shamed, because they talked about other religions...or maybe Jehovah is bringing the org. to it's arrogant knees....

So here is my question....who is protecting the org. from the real scandals? If it's not Jehovah than who ?

Tor

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I'm 90% PIMO but events in Russia made me stop and think maybe Jehovah is real and helping

by Isambard Crater in

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friends

i'm at the stage where i'd love a big scandal to come along showing clearly that the j.w's are not the true religion, but sometimes i get touched inside by various thoughts or events, the russian court trial being one of them.. i mean, j.w's are understandably fixated with attending the memorial, so why didn't the court say it will resume on monday or tuesday, instead setting wednesday 12 april as the date?

part of me believes the comments from pro-j.w's that jehovah moved events so they could attend the memorial.. it seems the j.w's will not be banned, which makes my mind and heart wrestle between thinking jah's behind it, or maybe the ministry of justice is just woefully prepared compared to the superb australian royal commission team who did their homework.

it surprises me the russians seemingly haven't done any homework..

tor1500

Hi,

I've read that many say, if Jehovah is backing the org. then why does this or that happen ? If Jehovah is a loving God why would he let certain things take place...especially in his organization....ummmm....maybe just maybe this isn't his organization and that's why stuff is happening in there just like in the rest of the world and the witnesses won't believe that it's not God's org., but he keeps not backing them....that should give them a sign...

But, humor me here...if this is God's org, and all these scandals....why aren't they being exposed? Who is behind them not being exposed....I'm talking NYT, ABC (prime time, not when folks are sleeping), major networks and newspapers, why has the Ban in Russia have so much coverage....who is blocking the news from Australia regarding the ARC....

Tor

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Jehovah's Witnesses and Love

by Cold Steel in

comments?

stories?

reminiscences?.

tor1500

Hi,

JW's only love you if you are a JW or a JW in the making....

The Bottom line JW's (some) love with conditions....so to me it wasn't the org. that taught folks to love conditionally, they needed a good soil to plant that type of seed....so folks that can love like that...dig into their home life, their environment...if any one had the time to research the kind of people that love only conditionally, you may find they have something in common....when you are loved, no matter who or what you are....you know Love...and nobody can tell you different, oh well, yes they can, because many on this site including me....love conditionally because we wanted to be accepted knowing it's wrong to love like the society tells us...we can't hide behind the org. for what we know deep in our hearts is really right...so we shouldn't be angry at the org. but ourselves...because we knew better.

Tor

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You Can Encourage An Inactive Christian!

by Yesu Kristo Bwana Wangu in

https://www.jw.org/en/publications/jw-meeting-workbook/april-2017-mwb/meeting-schedule-apr10-16/encourage-inactive-christian/.

this is part of the clam meeting this week.. how contradictory is it?.

first, they instruct people to avoid inactive ones and to shun them and to treat them the same as da'd or df'd ones, .

tor1500

Hi,

They know sooner or later, they will be under the microscope....people read about them on the internet and they don't want to appear that they shun folks...this is for the public...now whether they really mean it, that's another story...I think a new breed is coming....again, if you look at the literature from years ago, the friends never smiled, but look at the pictures now...everyone is showing their teeth....

The new changes are scaring the die hards...they believe in shunning....they think it makes the person stronger...but I think it's deeper than that, I think folks that believe that shunning is good, there is something that they need to atone for....those type of folks who do that have other issues...they believe that folks should get their come just due but never feel that one day it may be them...

Many of the friends are so rigid when it comes to shunning, if you make a mistake and greet them, someone will come to you and say, you know you are not supposed to talk to them...they are DF'd...what kind of person is that...mean....so mean they can uphold shunning...and watch others to make sure no one talks to them....that's a mean person....but why are they so mean...there is something in ones DNA that can do it...and think it's ok...

I think the org. is not growing as they say they are...so they are not turning away anyone, it's about the #'s...so they can print, yet another book, how many returned to Jehovah.....

This is all to show the public and the courts, they are a warm and fuzzy religion...

Tor

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God never knew Jesus would be killed?

by venus in

jesus gave an illustration with a landowner being the central character:.

“there was a landowner who planted a vineyard.

he put a wall around it, dug a winepress in it and built a watchtower.

tor1500

Hi,

God may not have known but Jesus knew....he spoke of it many times in the NT.... Jesus even asked that he didn't have to do it but only if his father willed it...

I think God had hope that it wouldn't turn out the way it did....his hope was for humans to resist Satan...Judas could have changed his mind....but he didn't. The play had been thought out, Jehovah all the time hoping we would resist the Devil.....

But let's really take a look at this picture, reminds me of a gangsta picture, the boss asked one of his pals or sons to take the fall for mankind, the boss says, don't worry, you won't take the fall for long...as a matter of fact, you'll be free in three days, whaddaya think...can you do it...now it's gonna hurt and you'll be humiliated...but just think in 3 days, you'll be up and free before you know it...So Jesus agrees to sacrifice himself....why? Well, he is a good guy,& he loves his Father, but this is not in the bible, or maybe man got it wrong when they wrote the bible....Jesus may have asked...You sure you are gonna resurrect me in 3 days?

Here's a question for all...would you sacrifice your life if you knew you were going to be raised to life in 3 days ? Most folks wouldn't sacrifice a ham sandwich at 11 o'clock at night....

The Bible is full of parables...they are just lessons for life... the Bible has been re-written by man...maybe God really said, I hope they respect my son....but if not..

Tor

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It's about progress, not perfection...

by scratchme1010 in

i guess at this point in time and space i'm ok if there's an indication of things going in the right direction.. my jw father, who joined the jws in 1973 when i was 8, has always had all the characteristics of the stereotypical brainwashed born again weirdo.

as a jw he always felt the need to show that he was more devoted than the rest of the crop.

to him, life became very easy from that point on: "the bible", interpreted by the millions of wt publications, along with the information in the meetings and getting involved in all jw activities, were the answer to everything and anything in his life".

tor1500

Hi,

JW's put on that they are happy...they don't realize this journey is just that a journey, and perfection is not until death, (if all this is true). I believe in God...Most witnesses are not happy people to begin with...if you are happy something is wrong with you....

When a person tries to be morally clean it just makes them bitter...when witnesses smile, most of the time the smile never reaches their eyes....I call it the dead eye...

I'm a witness, their default button is woe is me...when you go out in FS, all you hear about is their illnesses....sometimes I didn't feel good either but just mentioned it lightly...didn't want to sound like them...

As I said before and still say it....Witnesses are children dressed in adult clothes....

Some are ingrained with bitterness and ignorance...but those two traits, you at least have to have the soil to do it..meaning it was in one in the first place....

Tor

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"Abuse of free will" - an Oxymoron?

by doubtfull1799 in

the society loves to talk about how adam and eve abused their gift of free will.

doesn't free will mean the freedom to choose?

how can exercising that freedom to choose then be classed as abusing the gift?

tor1500

Hi,

My issue with The WT's take on Adam and Eve is that how did they know bad from good...didn't Jehovah make the earth in 7 days and said....It was good...so regardless of a talking snake, or not, how did Adam and Eve know what bad was....did they see bad....Jehovah said if they eat from this tree they will know good from evil, but did they ever experience evil ? Or did they even know what death was...one of the sisters said, they knew because the animals died, so Adam and Eve witnessed what death was....I don't know about that....

They had free will but as usual, it came with consequences....

If Eve didn't know that a snake don't talk, how would she or Adam know such an intelligent statement as "Free Will"... Adam and Eve didn't abuse their free will, most likely didn't even know they had it, until they lost it...maybe the Adam and Eve story is how God judges us...Some say, don't resurrect them, they are the cause of what we are going through now...some say, go ahead resurrect them, they didn't know any better...give'em a chance...maybe the ones that give Adam and Eve the benefit of the doubt, will go to paradise...

Just a thought,

Tor

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Victims of "political repression"

by biblexaminer in

political repression is the persecution of an individual or group within society for political reasons, particularly for the purpose of restricting or preventing their ability to take part in the political life of a society thereby reducing their standing among their fellow citizens.[1][2].

so, the governing bastards feel that putin is trying to keep jehovah's witnesses out of politics.

interesting.... all the russians had to do is to ask watchtower one question.

tor1500

Hi,

They tell us to be politically neutral UNTIL, supposedly our right to preach is threatened then it's ok to be political....NOW....but they don't call it that, they call it standing for our rights...in any language, that's a being political....

JW's are political to show they are persecuted...remember most of them have a persecution gene...I'm a witness I know...they are paranoid...always thinking you talking about them or always offended taking things the wrong way...overly sensitive but in reality witnesses think who the heck they are but play that humble card...

Plus witnesses don't cotton to you if you are not a broken wing...I used to be on another site, and would comment and no replies, because even though I was a witness I didn't have any "Woe" is me stories...so nobody would reply to me...so one day I said, let me comment on how being a witness has really brought me down and I'm so depressed and that I think the witnesses are ruining me...guess what? Comments all over the place...trying to encourage me, but when I was ok but just venting...silence....guess you got to be a messed up witness to get any attention...

As many have said here...the repression is inside the org, from political to sexual....Russia exercises more freedom of speech than the org. does....

Tor

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so much for babylon the great falling in 1919

by nowwhat? in

suposedly babylon the great lost her power and influence over the people and government rulers back in 1919. flash forward to today the russian orthodox church is behind the banning of witnesses in russia.

yet another failed prophecy!

have these guys gotten anything right?!

tor1500

Hi,

Doesn't anyone get it....it doesn't matter about the failed prophesies...or anything doctrinal...The friends are emotionally tied to the org...not God, because the org. is God...if you question the org. you question God...so it doesn't matter about the dates or nothing like that...it doesn't matter that their are pedophiles or that they may be banned in Russia.....it's God org.

When we are all dead and gone, they will change 1919 to who knows what or maybe even get rid of it...a new generation is coming....the org. will change...all you have to do is look at the pictures from when the JW's first began, no smiles, now look at the pix, colgate smiles everywhere...happy people serving God...when you look at the pix from long ago....not one person cracked a smile...

Anyway...They have a new light about Babylon the Great...just put it in Google...JW.org. will pop up and you'll see the new light....

What witnesses don't know, we may be a part of Babylon the Great too...they even say it...you point a finger how many are pointed back at you....

The org. thinks they are on the pulse of God and can read the signs of the end....NOPE....God wouldn't let no man know ....least he boast...and if Jesus don't know...then the FDS/GB's don't know either...and if Jesus is King and they know it, why don't he give them some signs, like warning them about this Russia thing...

The witnesses don't know who Babylon the Great is or when it's going to fall....

You can't take them seriously,

Tor

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Russia's Supreme Court is due to resume considering ban on Jehovah's Witness activity on 12 April

by venus in

russia's supreme court is due to resume considering a total ban on jehovah's witness activity on 12 april.

already police in several towns have disrupted their worship.

they have reported intimidation, harassment, and the disruption of worship by law enforcement agents in several towns as a result of the justice ministry's 15 march order summarily suspending most of their activities.

tor1500

Hi,

Weren't the apostles told they could go to different parts for their ministry but not Samaria? Later, we see how the Good News was brought into Samaria, Jesus finally went there and met a Samarian women and that's how the good news came to Samaria, by just a simple woman....

So, does anybody think that maybe God is telling them to get out....that when he is ready he'll bring the good news to Russia in his time not ours....

The witnesses always say they are led by the spirit, they are not listening....maybe God is saying get out, now, while you can...but they are so stubborn....just like David....many times David acted without Jehovah's backing...

We shall see how this plays out....

But this just could be about $$$$$$...

Tor