no one doubts jesus extensively spoke about god’s kingdom because he said: “i must proclaim the good news of the kingdom of god to the other towns also, because that is why i was sent.” (luke 4:43) yet christian sects are divided over the subject whether jesus used god’s name or not.. it is said that god’s name jehovah was revealed to moses.
however jesus knew moses was not trustworthy.
(mathew 19:8) moses born and brought up in egypt could have been influenced by egyptian knowledge.
Hi,
Because it's disrespectful to call your parents by their first name......well, my parents wouldn't but I do know folks that call their parents by their first names..guess they glad the kids call them at all...
Jesus called his Pop....Our Father who ....ummm...our Father, could that be proof that there is no Trinity....Jesus uses US a lot in that prayer...makes one think...
Tor
or is their an inconsistency / contradiction here somewhere .?
in genesis god allows satan after deceiving the first human pair to go relatively unpunished for thousands of years interacting between heaven and earth at will.. the so called punishment is not to take effect until thousands of years later.. in the meantime .. the wager ( ?
) between jehovah and satan over jobs loyalty in question ,and obviously satan still having communication with god in the heavens.
Hi All,
Ok, so this is why Jehovah is doing things this way....this is how one of the brothers explained it at a convention...
If Jehovah would answer Satan then he would prove Satan right, Jehovah's tactics are different from Satans....if Jehovah were to answer Satan, in a negative way, then Satan would be right about Jehovah....
This explains it best..."Satan has been allowed to influence the world of mankind to see if it can do better than without God. Jehovah has refused to interject in mankind's affairs and suffering so as not to be accused of loading the dice". well put by Konceptual99...
That's why the witnesses are into predictions of the end....they tired of waiting too....so to take up time they predict...ever see when they write in their literature....What has Jehovah/Jesus been doing since 1914 ? So they go on to explain what they think they are doing....but I bet they want to say....What the heck you and your son doing up there....we have been telling the friends you are setting up a kingdom, but Jehovah, gives up some type of sign, we are losing members....spoke to one of my family members, and one of their in-laws just left the org....
Tor
regarding the recent 1975 video at the convention it hit me !.
when reasoning with people about the inspiration of the bible we used the bible writers candor ie/ there honesty when recording bible accounts about there personal mistakes .. how come the governing body despite its claims to be spirit directed are not honest about there mistakes ?.
Hi All,
Once they thought they were wrong.....but they were mistaken...
They do admit when they are wrong, but it sounds like this...NEW LIGHT...AND IT GETS BRIGHTER.....ANY MORE NEW LIGHT & WE'LL HAVE TO WEAR JW SHADES....
The friends say that the org. admits when they make a mistake....how humble...but I say to myself.....how many times...then I remember...77 times...so the GB's can make 77 mistakes and we have to forgive them...77 times...now, what number are they up to now ?
Tor
w78 3/1 p. 18 par.
15 - "when was god’s son made a king-priest like melchizedek?
this was 40 days after his resurrection from the dead, [33 c.e.
Hi,
Jesus was made king when he left disciples. Ok. It's Mark 16:19. It says After the Lord Jesus had spoken to them, he has taken up into heaven and he sat at the right hand of God. That is the NIV Bible. Guess what ya'll not in the NWT. On Biblegate it mentions earliest manuscripts, blah blah blah. I notice with the Bible anything that really showed who Jesus was, truthful forgiving, etc. it's claimed to maybe not be a part of the Bible, just like when the folks brought a woman that was an adulteress to Jesus and he didn't judge her or nothing, but again that one was taken out to. Mostly in the NWT. So. Mark in the NWT only goes up to verse 8. How convenient, this scripture would really show when Jesus became King. If this is all true.
Tor
ok. so i'm sitting there at the convention.
the video comes up about 1975 and the fact that the faithful brother in the video maintained his faith in the bible by adhering to the scripture that says:.
'no one knows the day or the hour as to when the lord is coming'.
Hi All,
The org. is trying to be a little honest. The 1975 date has leaked out. It's no longer an apostasy. They started it but won't admit it.
This is being spoken about to the friends just in case they heard rumors, so they are going to put this rumor to rest and move on. Did they apologize? No, it's the friends fault.
I think since that article that said they are not inspired, has silently woken up a few, they won't leave but now the seed has been planted. Now the only way that seed of doubt will grow if someone steps on the silent awakened friend, then they come here.
There will be those in the audience that was around for the 1975 craze, and they were an adult. Most Jw's have low esteem of themselves so many of them will take the blame for misunderstanding and that's so very sad.
The org. reflects our gov't in the United States.... Kaos. People just don't believe in leaders/GB's anymore.
If they really want the friends to really stick with them. Admit THE ORG. is wrong.... the friends eat that kind of stuff up. Now that's good PR.
Tor
don't start fighting, darlings.
i am genuinely curious.
after all i was a jobo 50 years and thought the wbt$ was 100% correct.. i ask this because i see that, for example, christian denominations (or whatever), likely have differing interpretations of the same writing.
Hi All,
The Bible is a story of good and bad. No matter what version you own of the Bible it's the same story.
All it really says is how we should treat one another. The story of the man who owed money and his debtor forgave his debt. Now the guy that has been forgiven .... now does he forgive others of their debt..... heck no....he goes and pressures others to pay him so he gets forgiveness it don't give none? Yes, folks there it is, do we need the Bible to tell us that, but you know what there are plenty of people out there that need to be told to love and forgive. If the Bible didn't tell them, they wouldn't have the decency to do it.
Just like we need holidays so we can get together with our families. Most humans are into themselves. We give our kids 365 a year but the great powers,that be dictate to us when to be nice because we just don't know. Yes there are many people in religions that mean well but the majority are mean spirited and the only way they may see the light that their religion is not the truth is when someone steps on their toes and they ain't so adamant anymore.
Heres the thing everyone thinks they are right, their God is bigger and better than your God. 2 christians talking.... I believe in God. The other says so do I. They talk about how good it is to be a Christian and find out they are on the same page with their beliefs, finally one says hey I go to worship on Saturday the other says I go on sundays, they part saying we can't be friends we attend worship on different days.
Thats Christianity attitude. We must agree.
Tor
hi everyone.. well, i have some good news.
after having a terrible moment arguing with my mom about the 1914 teaching and all it evolves (she get really upset and i felt great regret for starting the argument) she came to me next day and started talking with a much more open mind, and she talked about a lot of concerns too.. she and my father naivily expressed the wish to write to bethel to ask about 607bc.
i told in all the possible ways it wouldn't work.
@deegee,
That's what I thought. Umm, well, since they are writing a letter why not email or contact the museums to see if they have any documentation.
If you want to prove to them it didn't fall in 607. To me that might raise a brow, if a Jw with no education can find this out, uh oh. I have a old set of encyclopedias and they say 587 or something like that. Wonder how many Jw's that live where they could find out this information, even care to look it up.
To all,
Great advice. But I say have solid proof that they can't wiggle out of, then just sit back. Since we are not educated we don't have money like that just to jump on a plane and find out for ourselves.
Tor
hi everyone.. well, i have some good news.
after having a terrible moment arguing with my mom about the 1914 teaching and all it evolves (she get really upset and i felt great regret for starting the argument) she came to me next day and started talking with a much more open mind, and she talked about a lot of concerns too.. she and my father naivily expressed the wish to write to bethel to ask about 607bc.
i told in all the possible ways it wouldn't work.
Hi All,
Has anyone ever been to that side of the world? I think the only thing that could convince any JW is to see a document that stated the fall of Babylon. Not American records it has to come from that side of the world. The org. cannot deny a country's own history.
So if any of you know how to contact that side or go over there maybe proof can be found. If a foreigner wanted to know about America he or she would go to the source, who would know better then our own records. Not to say because of computers you can let your fingers do the walking. But because the org. always disputes that bring them or show on Jw sites like these the real truth not through American eyes. Lurkers will tell other lurkers and so on.
If I knew where to go over there to find it I would.
Tor
i finally stopped attending the meetings about 4 months go.
i won't be going back - ever.. but i've decided the best reply to the watchtower is to be happy and i do try to be happy every day even thought i wasted my entire life on this religion.
i cherish every day, practice mindfulness and do my best to be content with the life i have.. it is only now that i see that most jws i know are deeply unhappy people.
Hi,
Oh but they are, according to them. It's all a put on. They are not happy because they are suppressed. They know something is wrong but they suppress their thoughts and so outside they appear happy but so depressed inside.
Witnesses are not equipped to deal with life, just everyday life exasperates them, it could be just waiting on line. You see they pretend to have peace and be patient but in reality the majority of witnesses don't have the fruitage of the spirit. Most are selfish and mean spirited. That's why we hear so many stories of how many were treated, add up all the stories, witnesses are not nice people. That's why if you know someone that is not a witness they don't want you to tell the negative stuff. Why? Because they want people to believe they are someone else, once they love bomb you, then you are trapped.
Most witnesses don't have a joyful bone in their body, they only see the negative. The only positive view they hold is for their own hide.
The thought of death with no return scares the average Jw to death. The nuts don't even believe in heaven but only for a few. Imagine hearing time after time it's the end and then it doesn't come.... how happy could a person be always hearing that and preaching that. We have exhausted our territory so much so folks are going where the need is great, just to get hours. Our territory is dried up and the neighbors know who we are and know when we are coming.
I think the organization knows the preaching work COULD stop, but then the end would have to come, ain't that what Jesus said. Jesus is just the ransom what would he know, they are waiting to hear from Jehovah but he told us to listen and follow his son.
Would you be happy knowing the end is now, no now, no tomorrow, no soon, this can be very disconcerting.
Tor
was thinking.
this is jehovah's org.
so now let's take a look at jehovah's character, he gets angry yet he forgives sometimes a lot sometimes not so much but got to admit, he always sent a warning.
Hi All,
As usual great comments. I start topics at times to get a different view point. I am on the inside so this is just a one sided take of what I see.
They are under the law, they need the law to keep from breaking the law. But when they about to burst as someone said they teach that Jesus was the end of the law for them, no the anointed, no the little flock, no the great crowd.... whatever.
It is true they are trying to appeal to a younger audience, so the smoke and mirrors are that we are like Jesus but.... and most of us can fill in the blanks. Same ole org that sees the Bible as a bunch of rules to control the sheep, because if you don't follow the rules.... we won't be your friend no more.... sounds so mature, uh?
I like all your points and keep them in mind.
Guess their hearts will never be changed from being mean Spirited must be their default personality button.
Tor
