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Superbly Written Article in Canadian Magazine
by berrygerry in
1. watchtower
2. child-abuse
jehovah's witnesses cover-up.

http://www.ucobserver.org/justice/2018/01/jw/.
tor1500

Hi,
What a great and honest article...do these scriptures come to mind:
Mark 4:22: For there is nothing hidden that will not be exposed; nothing is carefully concealed that will not come out in the open.
Matt. 10:26:So do not fear them, for there is nothing covered over that will not become uncovered, and nothing secret that will not become known
Luke 8:17:For there is nothing hidden that will not become manifest, nor anything carefully concealed that will never become known and not come out in the open.
Now for those who believe in God & the bible these scriptures show just where the world is today...seems every scandal is being exposed...folks are giving themselves up even before they are confronted...The gov't is being shown for who they have always been. Nothing and no one is safe...
Even if the society doesn't respond it doesn't have to. The longer they stay quiet the more articles will be written..they can run but they can't hide...most likely they are using the scripture where Jesus was asked a question and he never answered...but Jesus was in the right...the society is being quiet about something that is wrong. They will wait on Jehovah, but do they think that Jehovah is waiting on the society to come clean? That would never occur to them...Pride...& doesn't pride come before the fall...Too many articles to ignore...this is Canada...right next door to US/NYC...
Many of us want the org. exposed...the way things are being exposed...just wait...it's just a matter of time....in the words of MLK...How long ? Not Long...
It's a good article & it's the truth...anyone who is a JW can't deny it's the truth...
Tick Tick Tick...
Tor
Luke 12:2:But there is nothing carefully concealed that will not be revealed, and nothing secret that will not become known.b 3 Therefore, whatever you say in the darkness will be heard in the light, and what you whisper* in private rooms will be preached from the housetops
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Home schooling website / system for JWs
by sir82 in
1. jw
2. friends
so, apparently, there is an organization which provides structure, curriculum, etc.

for home-schooling of jw kids:.

http://www.newsystemschool.org/index.html.
tor1500

Hi,
Home Schooling...my take on this is how will they ever stand for the truth...There are times when home schooling is good, some children have certain disabilities and cannot attend a traditional school. One of my friends has a grand child that has Leukemia and because of his condition he has to be home schooled. JW's are just phobic...they want to put a bubble around their children...I do know of a sister that was home schooled...nice and intelligent..& talk about gorgeous...a great Mom...but to me she's not the norm...Most likely she is sane...but to me she looks so sad. She is a nice person...great comments that are down to earth...
Isn't there a scripture that says, don't take them out of the world but keep watch over them..John 17:15:I do not request that you take them out of the world, but that you watch over them because of the wicked one.
But today with all this shooting in the schools, no wonder folks are afraid to send their kids to school...what's up with the schools today....what are the teachers doing to upset the kids...so many school shootings and so tragic...We are in a wacky world today...
Some religions have their own schools. A JW as a teacher to home school their child...they barely keep up with the studies we get from the hall...Most witnesses are not disciplined enough...we all know how they forget everything...will cancel a bible study in a heartbeat...
Home schooling is too isolated...
Tor
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Masturbation is not sinful, unclean, or wicked [Rebuttal to leaked Bethel video regarding masturbation]
by Mace.Bean in
1. jw
2. friends
[the following information is intended as a response to the leaked bethel video regarding masturbation.

if you are not aware of that video, please check it our before attempting to comment.].

masturbation is not sinful, unclean, or wicked.
tor1500

Hi,
This is the scripture JW's used to support no masturbation:
Gen.38:6-10:In time Judah took a wife for Er his firstborn, and her name was Taʹmar.d 7 But Er, Judah’s firstborn, was displeasing to Jehovah; so Jehovah put him to death. 8 In view of that, Judah said to Oʹnan: “Have relations with your brother’s wife and perform brother-in-law marriage with her and raise up offspring for your brother.”e 9 But Oʹnan knew that the offspring would not be considered his.f So when he did have relations with his brother’s wife, he wasted his semen on the ground so as not to give offspring to his brother.g 10 What he did was bad in the eyes of Jehovah, so he also put him to death.
Jehovah wasn't angry about masturbation, he was displeased because O'nan disobeyed Jehovah. O'nan did not put faith in Jehovah so. Pride, not humble whatever, but not because he masturbated but simply disobeyed...Just like the scripture they use for B'days...hog wash...All witnesses see in the bible is rules and regulations...if you read the bible like that, you won't do anything...
They don't want the young ones to get married too young, but we all know they get married young to have sex. Then the lust wears off & the two are stuck with each other...can't get to know your mate because of chaperone's. So it would be better for them to masturbate. But like anything, there should be a balance...as humans we tend to go overboard...with anything...
Masturbation is not sinful...having a lot of sex with a lot of partners and just playing with ones heart...that to me that's sinful..
Tor
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What would you say?
by Freedom rocks in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
if you had 2 minutes with an old witness friend or with a family member to convince them the 'truth' is a lie and the gb isnt being directed by god what would you say to get their attention that might make them question their beliefs?.
tor1500

Hi,
I don't think there is anything that can be said....when a witness is comfortable and all is well, no matter if the doctrine does flip flop...they are in the "IN CROWD". Until someone steps on their toes or they miss a meeting or two and folks start acting funny towards them. Also,when they say to leave matters in Jehovah's hands & wait on Jehovah it's ok until it's them.
Many people don't see or hear anything until it's them....as they say, "It's the thief that screams the loudest".
Or give them a round trip ticket to Jerusalem or whatever fell in 607BC...let them look up....that is extreme but it just might work.
Tor
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Lack of young people in the congregation?
by IAmJustMe in
1. jw
2. friends
been baptized for two years but being in the truth for longer.

one thing i have always noticed is the lack of young people in the congregation.

does anyone feel the same ?.
tor1500

Hi,
In my hall there are some young ones, from babies to teens...if you look at them, most of them look like the life has been sucked out of them. The Teens look so sad, it's because their growth has been stunted...they just lumber around...being a teen is rough, hormones raging, then being a witness don't help...knowing that most of the congregation is older and has had they sex fun & we are telling them...hold on, the end is here...imagine just beginning your life & then finding out you may die...the pre-teens just lumber around with their bottom lip hanging..many of the kids in my congregation have one thing or the other wrong with them...
Young ones are not buying it...they are on the internet and know what is going on behind the scenes, but can't say nothing so they just lumber around the hall...trying to look like this is the best life, but they know it's not...they must hold on until they can leave the nest.
The friends are actually forcing their children to come & you can see it. We have some gay ones in the hall, but nobody talks about it...in fact they both got DF'd but are now back...
JW's young & old are suppressed..
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The "Imperfect Men" Argument
by steve2 in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
one of the most common "defences" of jw organization is that "the brothers" are imperfect yet still strive to follow god's word.

"sure, they make mistakes," so the argument goes, "but so did god's people in the past, including in bible times.

" the key point is their readiness to keep studying god's word and learning from their mistakes.".
tor1500

Hi,
JW's know they are imperfect but not as imperfect as others, because they are trying to live by God's standards. Imperfectness is imperfectness....it's just a matter of degree...in the eyes of a witness...
That is their catch phrase...
Tor
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ARC Information pack received in relation to my help, assistance, evidence and testimony
by jwleaks in
1. watchtower
2. child-abuse
this was sent to me by the arc for assisting and providing evidence and testimony in relation to jehovah's witnesses, the watchtower bible & tract society of australia, terrence o'brien, vincent toole, and geoffrey jackson of the governing body.. photo 1. a thank you letter, final report, summary brochures of the entire arc, every single case study and related document on a usb memory stick.. photo 2. close up of official arc usb memory stick with every single case study every single report and all the documents used.. photo 3. this arrived last year.

case study 29 into jehovah's witnesses.

i sent this official hardcopy to barbara anderson as a gift for all her hard work.. .
tor1500

Hi,
Wouldn't it be nice to drop off these copies to the witnessing carts... When they say would you like something to read...you politely say sure, but then say, you have something for them...their curiosity will get the best of them...just imagine having enough copies to leave with them...word will get around...give them out randomly..
Just a thought.
Tor
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Let's play the "what if" game - a little thought experiment.
by doubtfull1799 in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
“if adam and eve hadn’t sinned they would have lived forever and we would all now be still living in paradise” is how watchtower theology goes, right.

(well not us personally, as history would have turned out completely differently and there would be different people on the planet, not us.

when you think about it you owe your very existence to the fact that they didn’t obey.
tor1500

Hi,
If Adam & Eve didn't sin...
We would all be naked & happy...
Tor
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New to the truth
by MatthewHewey in
1. jw
2. friends
i have been meeting with member's of the kingdom hall, and i have attended a few times now on sundays.

i'd like to discuss experiences with this group since i'm new.

so far, i love it.
tor1500

Hi Matthew Hewey,
You have come to the right place. Good advice...Please pay attention to what folks say on here.
I'm a witness...& an active one, but I don't drink the kool-aide. Yes, they stick to the bible and they sound spot on. But in time this is what you will find...Someone said this on this site or another one, but to me it was profound...It's ok to have questions you can't answer but it's not ok the have answers you can't question. As you start to study or attend you will see that they can explain any & everything but....
Here's a case...I had a friend that was going for an operation & I asked a brother to pray with her (she isn't a witness). He said, she isn't a study & we don't know if she believes, so he couldn't...fast forward...we were doing our book for bible study....one of the questions was: Should we pray for those who are not witnesses...the answer was given & from the bible...yes, the bible says to pray for all men...I watched the brother body go rigid, because I know he knows he was wrong...but didn't bother me, because he now knows...even a sister told me that once...we only pray for one another...so she got an earful as well...
Here's another one...when you have been disfellowshipped, & you are re-instated, at one time it was just an announcement...& at the end of the meeting we would all love bomb them...now they clap....so one sister said oops we aren't supposed to clap when someone is re-instated...well, don't you know, a public watchtower said even the angels rejoice when one sinner comes back..so this is how they justified it now...but before they wouldn't clap...so I asked the sister, who told you not to clap, she said the society, & where did they get it from...Silence...
What you will find is that they run ahead of the scriptures then when they can no longer back it up, it's a new light...the problem is when the religion started, folks didn't read that well, now folks can read & comprehend...& don't think they don't go on sites to see what folks are saying about certain scriptures...
My favorite is when they say Jesus is Michael the archangel...If you read Hebrews 1:
God speaks by means of his Son (1-4)
The Son superior to the angels (5-14)
Hebrews 1:For example, to which one of the angels did God ever say: “You are my son; today I have become your father”?k And again: “I will become his father, and he will become my son”?l 6 But when he again brings his Firstbornm into the inhabited earth, he says: “And let all of God’s angels do obeisance to him.”* Now if you were to show this to a witness & say, so how can Jesus be an angel or was an angel...it states plainly here it can't be so...here's where you can't question their answer...
You have a nose ring and tattoos & for a while they won't bother you but they will expect changes...because now the bible should influence your thinking...
As you know we don't believe in Heaven but I could cherry pick a bunch of scripture that point to heaven...but not too many about paradise...you see the bible in the wrong hands can be dangerous...The bible was used to keep slaves in line...they used the scripture that says, Slaves be good to your masters...but forgot the rest of the scriptures and since the slaves couldn't really read but God said it...the rest is history...
I'll say this...see for yourself...many on this site have gone through many a heart ache being a witness...you won't see many things people have said on this site at first...because you are new...but pay attention...don't look for faults, just pay attention..
I go to the hall & out in service when I can...my relationship is with God/Jesus...they think meeting attendance is all there is...to be seen is their whole agenda...they don't have to be nice, forgive, help or be merciful...nope that comes from inside (the heart)...they can only do things that can be seen...are you that type of person that won't do anything for anyone unless it's seen, then being a witness is for you...if you need a constant pat on the back for just reading a scripture, then being a witness is for you...if you feel superior to others who don't worship like you, then being a witness is for you...if you feel guilty about anything...then being a witness is for you...
Go in with your eyes wide open...don't go in looking for problems, just keep an open mind...pay attention...just be cool & you will see that what folks say on this site is true...
You will find some friends are ok, but they need to be in a structured religion...most religious folks are extremist..either in church or hanging on a bar stool...they don't have balance to live in this world...
At the end of the day, just take care of your fellow man....all this religious mumbo jumbo is exactly that...mumbo jumbo...just be nice....& care .....
Tor