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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

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  He couldn't go and " pay" a visit, to is favorite girls, I mean Women's
  

  Love your thought, pretty sure he did visit during Covid …. It’s an essential service you know….like being a doctor …. Same same 👍
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

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  Kim, Lloyd said that he had been paying for prostitutes every few months for the past three of four years, however a couple of times you mentioned that you remembered being told differently.

  Are you able to say what you believe he had told you regarding this?

  I cannot tell you why I believe that it is longer than the specified time however I would encourage you to think about this:

  In the livestream Lloyd talks about having "sexual repression issues" before he got married, when he got married, in his book, and now.

  He said that it is because of his repression issues that he was visiting sex workers.

  If he has been sexually repressed for this whole time....lets say 20 years and he has been married 13-14 years, admitted that he and Dijana had been incompatible since they got married (again 13-14 years)....what did he do for the first 10 years of their marriage to manage his "sexual repression"?
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

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  I find it quite hypocritical for JLE to talk about unpaid JW volunteers when he himself used and abused so many people to do his work also unpaid.
  

  Completely agree with you. As one of those people I can talk about this. It was never anything spoken however I always got the impression that Lloyd is on a basic wage. I always thought this was fair enough as he doesn't do any other work other than activism. I certainly had no idea that he is on a six figure (USD) salary.

  I wouldn't go so far as to say that he couldn't work in a normal job and do his activism work. He films most of his videos for the month in one day, and leaves the recorded work to Tibor to edit. The work that his volunteers do also saves him a lot of time.

  Yes he has every right to run a business and what days and time he works isn't relevant. I do however raise an eyebrow at his statement that he is a 'full-time activist". Do those who financially support and work voluntarily know that he is running a business or do they think they are supporting him to do activism work. I strongly believe there is a difference.

  To make my point simple (sorry this subject does my head in): Youtubers call themselves 'youtubers'. Youtubers have patrons who receive agreed goods/services, bonuses and benefits. Youtubers create content, generally in relation to something they are skilled/talented in or are interested in. Its a financial entity, a business, their job.

  No problem. Youtubers can be called out for 'shit' behaviour (https://www.seventeen.com/celebrity/movies-tv/g18753797/youtube-scandals-controversies/). Youtubers who display shit behaviour suffer the same consequences as every other business in the world when this occurs.

  Food for thought....Is Lloyd an activist or a youtuber? Would people financially support Lloyd to the extent they do if he was a Youtuber and not an activist? Would patrons still support him following his admitted behaviour if he was any other business in the world? Would people volunteer to work for a youtuber who is running a business and earning a six figure sum?
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

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  Have Sacha & Sherrie D'Souza made any comment or voiced their opinion on the whole Lloyd Evans debacle?
  

  Not publicly no, they are involved with RfR and I would suspect that they don't wish to draw negative attention from him or those who support him...
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

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  The top 4 Google suggestions when typing in "Lloyd Evans" looks like this (We're number 3): - not bad for him considering that his Twitter is quieter than usual and Facebook is near dormant 🧐
  
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

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  So we can be certain it was a very stupid bluff.
  

  Yes I agree however those that support him are in full belief that we have done wrong and that he will be vindicated. We all must keep speaking about it imo so those coming out will have the information to make an informed decision
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  Is Karlo Novosel having a sale? Buy two extortion letters and the third one is free.
  

  It still wouldn’t be worth it, he doesn’t return phone calls, emails or to letters.
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

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  Kim Silvio that elephant video was the bomb!! Lloyd loves to virtue signal about the mote in everyone else's eyes, Yet he cannot pull out the beam in his own!!
  

  Thank you, I have never made a video before and am quite limited with IT skills. I certainly will be spending time expanding my knowledge in this area as I found it quite interesting to make.

  I also read the rest of your comments and very much appreciate your opinion.
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  when there are too many town criers, no one knows who to listen to, and what's relevant, especially when irrelevant points are being brought up and treated like they're a big deal.
  

  My simple response to that is "Listen to as many as you can and make up your own mind. We MUST start thinking for ourselves rather than having to decide who to listen to.

  Edit to add that I get it that it's not Marks place, nor really anyone's place to say who's voice is relevant, and that it's up to those who are listening.
  

  100% agree with you on this point. It's no ones place to say who's voice is relevant and who isn't. People MUST be allowed to make their own decision based on their own experiences and beliefs.

  None of these parties are innocent.
  

  That may well be the case indeed. For me it's a case of "what came first, the chicken or the egg?". Having recently been through the experience I have in speaking out against Lloyd my opinion of his work has changed - and I said at the beginning that it NEVER WOULD and that I would ALWAYS see the value in his work.

  I most certainly still do, however I also see the damage that can be done to some vulnerable people as they are coming out of a high control cult and into a community where most people only hear one voice and one opinion, and then form opinions based on this one opinion. This seems to be the case, particularly in this situation, as we were (are) all trained to "listen to the MAN with the microphone", Elders, CO's, DO's etc.

  The classic example of this was the misogamy clearly displayed when Mark issued his statement - immediately comparing my effort to his effort and marking me deficient and Mark's superior and feeling the right to shout it across the community. Is this normal behaviour? For me, I don't remember a politician issuing a statement, then another and then the community having a debate about why one's statement was better than the other.....Could be just me, however I find this quite interesting.

  Some of the people attacking me called me some horrific names, called me a liar, and were very very (scarily) protective of Lloyd. To the point where I even think Lloyd would be scared of them. It concerns me, and I am by no means an expert, that people are staying in a "trauma state" if they only listen to one voice and adopt 100% of their opinions and beliefs and if that one voice is only talking about issues from the "trauma source". Lloyds videos certainly affirm the decision that each of us made to leave, but at what point do we leave the trauma behind and move forward. Is this constant "trauma source" creating blind followers such as the ones that I had contact with? Isn't that what we did as JW's? Does re-traumatizing ourselves just keep us angry and emotional?

  I have been enjoying Cappytan's Exit video series for this very reason. Although I have had extensive therapy and am doing well, I still find it fascinating and I feel so much happiness listening to the healthy (yet difficult I'm sure) journey to freedom that people trek.

  These are my view and I respect anyone that doesn't agree with me, I do encourage all of us to think about this. As INDIVIDUALS (first) and as a community (second) do we need to change our thinking?

  I dont know him, and can only see the character he puts forward, which appears to be genuine and a seeker of truth and justice. I'll just have to take your word, and Kim and Mikeys word, for how you all veiw his character, under advisement, moving forward.
  

  I understand your words are coming from a kind place and thank you. I can only encourage you to hear my experience, observe others, seek information from many places, be slow to put your hand in your pocket to anyone (or just don't, your not obligated) and then make your own decision. No one - including me - is 100% right ever or has the best ideas, or sees things in a balanced way all the time. We need to think and decide for ourselves based on what we believe as individuals.

  in the grand scheme of things, and in my world, it's all pretty irrelevant. Just a time killer today. Time to go back to my real world. I hope you all get settled back into a place where you are happy and comfortable.
  

  And good on you!! Getting out of the cult is the first step - staying in a cult like structure that has similar operating behaviours, procedures and policies may not be the best idea. We all need to get on with living the life we have, enjoying ourselves, supporting each other, sharing our experiences, giving others the tools and skills that we have that will assist them moving forward and check our ego's at the door.
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

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  Perhaps having Tibor coming to this forum to preach the Gospel of Lloyd wasn't such a grand idea?
  

  Perhaps Lloyd, as Tibor's employer, has asked him to review social media platforms and report back as he may not have that much work to do? I have no idea, just a suggestion. BTW, Hi Tibor, I know you are angry with me, however you have my contact details if you ever have questions or want to talk. xx