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I’d be interesting to see a YT channel called Waking Up From Lloyd Evans channel.
I would definitely watch that ! Here’s one similar from the archives 👍
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but is it the same in Croatian law?
Well that’s an interesting question. It is different yes, as in the “perpetrator” has to convince the court that the true facts were made for legitimate reason. Lloyd must inform the court of exactly what isn’t true and why they aren’t true.
Article 6 of the ECHR states that:
It is a human right of the EU that anyone accused of a criminal offense is innocent until proven guilty. Croatia cannot therefore place the burden of proof entirely upon a “defendant” to prove they aren’t guilty.
I thought I’d throw this in also:
“Aliens” = M7
Question for each to work out for themselves:
Is the act of “criminal defamation” a “criminal offence” at the locations of where the M7 committed the “crimes”?
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Poor Novosel office.
I don’t think they realised what kind of client they had. I understand that they are no longer representing him however again, I haven’t received form as l notification.
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This case is so weak and insane that I’d imagine the Croatian government would take measures to shut this case down and have it dismissed should a judge be foolish enough to serve parties overseas.
I am informed that the Croatian court has already refused once to issue subpoenas for this court case, however I’ve not been informed formally. I wonder how many years he is going to spin this bullshit…..kinda reminds me of WT and their “Armageddon” fantasy.
Croatian law allows a citizen to make this complaint directly to the court instead of the police. The court then makes a determination whether or not a crime occurred with evidence which makes it worth prosecuting, like the police normally do.This is my understanding yes. Again, I’ve been informally advised that the court have yet to be convinced that there is a case to answer.
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For the record I will say this again. Lloyd is claiming that he has commenced criminal proceedings against the M7. There is sufficient evidence to demonstrate that he has petitioned the court for the commencement HOWEVER until anyone is formally and legally served with a summons (or equivalent), no one is a defendant. There is currently nothing to defend.
Regarding the burden of proof - in a criminal proceeding it is not the defendant’s responsibility to prove innocence, it is the prosecutions responsibility to prove the crime. Imagine any court system in the world where a prosecutor can say “ you murdered x” and forcing the defendant to prove a negative….I’m not saying anyone murdered anyone just to be clear - what I am saying that both “crimes” are within the “criminal” designation and therefore have the same burden of proof. The responsibility is with Lloyd to prove his case. I would have thought that if his case was so certain, we would either have been served or he would have plastered the evidence across the internet.
Finally, Lloyd cannot get a conviction in any country - including Croatia - without the M7 knowing. The court will require evidence that each party is aware of the proceeding prior to hearing the case, whether the M7 are represented or not.
So here is something yo add to your defamation complaints Lloyd:
You are a pig of a man, you have damaged the activism movement and you are a shameless grifter who should be ashamed of himself.
i’m a pimo ministerial servant and i won’t fade because i want to keep my front row seats watching what happens next few years.. my predictions are that this current governing body will slowly die off and the current younger helpers will be the next gb.
they will eventually have new light that they were wrong about 1914 and the overlapping generations.. the new light will be something on the lines of the last days are now because of king of north king of south pushing each other etc etc.
they will do their very best to burry old literature and try to change the past trying to make it sound like they were right all along just as they have done for 150 years now.
And I said well then maybe I should come off, because the cost of living crisis and everything I just don’t have the time
Thank you, I have a few videos in the works 😊
I know the cost of living crisis is terrible - it does serve as a good excuse with the elders - hopefully you can dodge them till you can make your exit/fade or whatever it is you have planned 💗
i’m a pimo ministerial servant and i won’t fade because i want to keep my front row seats watching what happens next few years.. my predictions are that this current governing body will slowly die off and the current younger helpers will be the next gb.
they will eventually have new light that they were wrong about 1914 and the overlapping generations.. the new light will be something on the lines of the last days are now because of king of north king of south pushing each other etc etc.
they will do their very best to burry old literature and try to change the past trying to make it sound like they were right all along just as they have done for 150 years now.
It’s interesting to hear your perspective from “inside”. As an external observer it seems that lots of younger people are leaving. My daughter (21) left 6 years ago (I left 4 years ago) and since I left 15 of her friends have left, all around her age. To hear that this isn’t a “local” issue is interesting.
I am not sure if they will announce new light on 1914, or whether they will just phase out taking about it and focus more and more on “the signs of the end” and develop some new rubbish that points to the end times.
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Kim when you were working with him how often did he take holidays?
Approx 3-4 per year, I’d have to go back gb rough my records to get the exact number 😳
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He’s probably on holidays 🤷♀️🤷♀️
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Tonas, I think you are extremely close to correct 😔