@cofty..thoroughly and sensibly researched top marks. I applaude you. @ fishy if you ever come to realise the jws stance on the 'blood' doctrine has been wrong, which judging by the governing bodies own admission per watchtower feb 2017 ie not infallible, not inspired and capable of error of scriptural understanding, I'd say you owe cofty a gratitude......too many adherents to this misjudgement of scripure lost family and loved ones needlessly. This organization has blood on its hands.
Fairlane
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The Watchtower are Right About Blood...
by cofty in... but, they fail to take note of one important detail.. i believe that if we are going to have any chance of reasoning with a jw about blood, this is the place we need to begin.. don't try to convince them that it was only a dietary law.
it wasn't, and they will never go along with it.. don't tell them that saving a life is more important than obeying a law, even a seemingly trivial one.
they take pride in obedience.
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Not Inspired, Not Infallible
by pale.emperor init occurred to me this morning while one the train to work that jw's, including my family, use the following weasel phrases to excuse the errors they've made over the years:.
"god uses imperfect men".
"jesus didn't say he'd give perfect spiritual food".
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Fairlane
The governing body of jws have assumed by means of a method that they themselves. (Watchtower feb 2017) have admitted can be flawed. It doesn't take a person of independent reasoning long to figure out that their claim to be the faithful discreet slave (singular) by their interpretation of a parable is utter hogwash ! If however you are directed by this organization of charlatans that you must place your trust in them or suffer the consequences, then it follows you will defend them as if they had not admitted their position as outlined in the watchtower of feb 2017. Those jws who defend this so called fds are proving themselves to be more afraid of seven men in new york than the god they claim to worship.
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Charles Edward Anderson "Chuck" Berry October 18, 1926 – March 18, 2017
by glenster inhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfo8-jqzscm https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23y2cz40zs4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mysgxbdksus https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wegha0xi4gu https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=km5jgqjx_lk.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ervly-ltjhs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/chuck_berry.
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Fairlane
Hail hail rock n roll....chucks music was a lifeboat for my jw days of doubt and doldrums playing my guitar and listening to his music probably kept my befuddled head above water. I played 'roll over Beethoven ' and ' you never can tell ' with my band on Saturday night. His song 'johnny B goode' continues in outer space on the voyager space mission... bon voyage chuck !!
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Interpret John 1:1 by John 1:1.
by towerwatchman ininterpret john 1:1 by john 1:1. .
the greek language has the definite article which has approximately thirty variations, is translated into english as “the”, and points to an identifiable personality, someone we have prior knowledge of.
but the greek language has no indefinite article corresponding to the english “a”, or “an”.
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Fairlane
John mann..."the map it's not the territory "....from whence originates 'the territory ' but the mind of man? unless there is evidence to the contrary.
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Interpret John 1:1 by John 1:1.
by towerwatchman ininterpret john 1:1 by john 1:1. .
the greek language has the definite article which has approximately thirty variations, is translated into english as “the”, and points to an identifiable personality, someone we have prior knowledge of.
but the greek language has no indefinite article corresponding to the english “a”, or “an”.
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Fairlane
Looks like the trinity concept belongs to the workings of the human mind.
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" We don't need no university education"
by The Rebel ini left school at 16, because i was studying and getting the best " university education" in the world.
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how did the theocratic ministry school benefit you?.
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Fairlane
I learned how to use gestures to emphasise points during a talk from the platform. I've learned to use gestures to great advantage since, and I'm still able to give watchtower organization the 'finger'...lol
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Was/Is Religion Useful Even if it isn't True?
by cofty inin his book "the righteous mind" jonathan haidt proposes that religion served - and continues to serve an important role in bringing about cohesion within non-kin groups.. to put it very briefly haidt advocates a form of group selection but only insofar as it applies to humans.
our unique brains have made it possible for us to cooperate in groups in ways that are impossible for all non-human species.
despite their intelligence you will never see two chimps helping each other to carry the same log or one chimp pulling down a branch while the other removes the fruit.. his description is that humans are 90% chimp and 10% bee.
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Fairlane
Cofty ..." what better method"....secular,secularism which is well established, more effort from secularists to cleave the hold religious influence has on our government and education. There are efforts towards this goal, perhaps a common purpose for the benefit of people which supersedes religious hope/reward which was/is still ignorantly seen by many as useful and alas necessary.
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Was/Is Religion Useful Even if it isn't True?
by cofty inin his book "the righteous mind" jonathan haidt proposes that religion served - and continues to serve an important role in bringing about cohesion within non-kin groups.. to put it very briefly haidt advocates a form of group selection but only insofar as it applies to humans.
our unique brains have made it possible for us to cooperate in groups in ways that are impossible for all non-human species.
despite their intelligence you will never see two chimps helping each other to carry the same log or one chimp pulling down a branch while the other removes the fruit.. his description is that humans are 90% chimp and 10% bee.
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Fairlane
Cofty .... "partly rational"...the capability to reason must give us the choice to reject any 'benefit' of religion for a better method which encompasses group thinking. If their is a ' part' of our psych or makeup which is not rational it would be interesting as the judicial system would have to take into account when dealing with irrational behaviour excuse.
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Was/Is Religion Useful Even if it isn't True?
by cofty inin his book "the righteous mind" jonathan haidt proposes that religion served - and continues to serve an important role in bringing about cohesion within non-kin groups.. to put it very briefly haidt advocates a form of group selection but only insofar as it applies to humans.
our unique brains have made it possible for us to cooperate in groups in ways that are impossible for all non-human species.
despite their intelligence you will never see two chimps helping each other to carry the same log or one chimp pulling down a branch while the other removes the fruit.. his description is that humans are 90% chimp and 10% bee.
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Fairlane
Are we as rational beings capable of using collective ideas and processes for the benefit of mankind without woo woo?!! God help us if not ! Lol
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Shunning - Are Mothers Most Fanatical?
by Lostandfound inon many posts by those with experience of df or da shunning, it look to me that the most fanatical observers of the shunning practise are mothers, and when a person approached parents about their own doubts or intentions, approaching the mother the most daunting prospect .
odd that visiting warwick leaflet has a picture of a meeting of some sort with a room comprising men only, given the subordinate role given to women, one might think they would be more liberal over shunning close ones, but not so.. what drives this, is it grabbing an opportunity to be more visible by their loyalty, or low level of education of a lot of dubs so that the sisters blindly accept direction or authority.
i might have expected some kick back against the shunning practise by sisters giving evidence to their independence of thought.. our real thinkers here will be able to explain this fanaticism of loyalty better.
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Fairlane
I have to say it was the opposite in my case, my mother always was warm and welcoming despite my father torturing her mind . She did always have some words to try ' in her way ' to encourage me to look at an article in the literature, but was never forceful in her manner. She passed away quite recently a faithful jw. I spent a lot of precious time with her towards the end which she, despite suffering dementia thoroughly enjoyed. My father on the other hand would go out of his way to avoid me when he saw me at the care home, my mother despite her condition realised his behaviour which was always a sadness for her. So once again in my situation my father was worse.