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  Does Anybody Want These 2020-2021 Assembly Videos?

  by Atlantis in

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  make jehovah's heart rejoice.

  2020-2021. circuit assembly with circuit overseer.

  circuit assembly with branch representative.

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  RolRod

  NO!
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  2 Watch Tower Magazines published at the same time

  by RolRod in

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  we all know that the name "watch tower" is not unique to the society.

  there were papers that used that title prior to the society.

  but did you know that the advent christian church (to which russell affiliated with) published a journal called the watch tower?.

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  RolRod

  We all know that the name "Watch Tower" is not unique to the Society. There were papers that used that title prior to the Society. But did you know that the Advent Christian Church (to which Russell affiliated with) published a journal called The Watch Tower?

  It began to be published in 1891, I don't know how far it got but it was still being published as late as 1914. While it's not as doctrinal as the Society's Tower, it was still a magazine being published simultaneously with the Society's WT. I only have one issue, and I have not been able to find any others. here is the cover:

  
  
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  The Watchtower's Most Secret Book!

  by Atlantis in

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  the watchtower's most secret book!.

  the truth that gives you eternal life, bethel edition.

  the truth that gives you eternal life was published on watchtower presses, and is not to be confused with the truth that leads to eternal life published by the watchtowerbible and tract society.

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  RolRod

  I remember in the early 80s, a letter being read to the congregation from the Society about all the work they were doing and the building of new headquarters in various places and that these places were in need of older literature to stock their libraries for research, and requested that ALL publishers and Kingdom Hall library pack up all pre 1950 books and send them to the Society. I lived in NYC at the time and we had quite a few Bethelites, I remember seeing them going through the Kingdom Hall Library and packing up books.

  In a conversation with Randy Watters he admitted to me that it was all BS, that the Society had them all destroyed.

  RR
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  The Watchtower's Most Secret Book!

  by Atlantis in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the watchtower's most secret book!.

  the truth that gives you eternal life, bethel edition.

  the truth that gives you eternal life was published on watchtower presses, and is not to be confused with the truth that leads to eternal life published by the watchtowerbible and tract society.

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  RolRod

  dropoffyourkeylee ... yes, we had several Bethelites in my congregation. I recently sold some of these special items on ebay. One was a Sing Praises to Jehovah songbook that had a black leather cover on it. Some books had the owners name embossed on the cover.
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  If a JW becomes inactive is he then labeled as an apostate?

  by Pallbearer in

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  i have heard a rumor that if a jw becomes inactive he or she is considered to be an apostate.

  is this true?

  has anyone here on this forum had such an experience?

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  RolRod

  I actually stepped down, kick the book study out of my home and refused to even carry the mic. I did go witnessing, but only with my Bible. I eventually moved 50 miles away and despite the elders attempting to reach us, we just ignored them. We became inactive. We did run into Witnesses while visiting my in-Law and no one treated us like lepers.

  Of course we left in the early 90s so who knows what "New Light" they may have come up with. To my knowledge we were never announced as disfellowshipped. My in-law would have definitely informed us. Not that it would have mattered to us. we stayed "in" because of her, but when she found out that we didn't believe in it anymore, she threw us out of the house.
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  The Watchtower's Most Secret Book!

  by Atlantis in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the watchtower's most secret book!.

  the truth that gives you eternal life, bethel edition.

  the truth that gives you eternal life was published on watchtower presses, and is not to be confused with the truth that leads to eternal life published by the watchtowerbible and tract society.

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  RolRod

  Okay, listen up everybody ... I am that "Bible Student" who owned the book. In fact several years ago I posted about it and nobody even blinked an eye.

  Here's the link: https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5083167954305024/truth-that-gives-you-eternal-life

  I was an original member of this forum from day 1, I posted under my initials RR, but somehow that account got locked and I took a long hiatus from the forum to pursue other endeavors. (I wish I had that account back, look into it Simon)

  So here's the story ... Tom and Gloria Cabeen were close friends with my ex-wife and mother-in-law in the 70s. Tom served as an elder in the French Congregation in the Newark/Elizabeth NJ area where my ex and her mother attended. They were very good friends and Tom and Gloria spent a lot of time over their home visiting and slept over.

  We were married in 1990 and I already had one foot out the door because I figured it out within a few years in the 80s but stayed because my ex didn't want to cause a scene for her mother who was well respected in the French speaking district (she actually donated the land in Haiti for the Society's branch office and funded it's building).

  I had heard stories about Tom from them. Later when I read In Search of Christian Freedom. It mentioned Tom, so I wrote to Ray Franz via Commentary Press and to my surprise he wrote back to me within a few days. He said he happened to be on the phone with Tom when my letter arrived and Tom told Ray to give me his address. So I wrote to Tom and later called and my wife was excited to see them, so we drove to Connecticut and spent the weekend with them.

  I love books and so began looking through Tom's library and found the "Truth" book, I asked him about it and he laughed and told me the story how it was the product of Bethelites secret studies. I didn't think much of it. He said I could have it and so I took.

  It sat on my shelf for 30 years. I don't know who wrote it, I know it wasn't Tom because he had already left Bethel by then to start a family.

  I believe the covers were made on the Bethel presses, the pages were photocopied and bound. Someone mentioned why it wasn't 192 pages and pocket size, well let me just say it would take some big cajones to format and print this book on the Society's press without them knowing. Printing a few covers wouldn't draw attention.

  As was mentioned, the book is 8.5 x 11 and has about 116 pages, with 10 chapters. Each paragraph is numbered with questions at the bottom just like a Watchtower publication.

  I have tried for years to find out more about this book every time I came across it on my shelf. With the advent of the internet, I found nothing. I asked everybody, and no one could tell me anything. Remember this was some 40 years ago. Most of those involved have either left God and Truth, joined another church and moved on with their lives. Randy Watters is in poor health, Tom Cabeen just turned 70. Ray Franz is gone. most of those involved are either dead or just plain old.

  I sat down recently and read it cover to cover and it wasn't my theology, not what I believe in. So I put it on eBay and sold it. Like I did with much of my 6,000 Watchtower related books.

  That's the story.

  RR
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  What's the Latest re How JW's are Associating and Preaching?

  by mikronboy in

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  i've been out of the loop for a while so some things have passed me by.

  so i'm curious how jw's are affected by the covid virus.

  are they still preaching or having meetings etc?.

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  RolRod

  I'm a Letter Carrier, there isn't a day that goes by where I'm not delivering letters to people on my route. Seems many of them are doing a letter campaign. In fact I got one a few days ago at my home. Typical type written letter with a tract.
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  What Do JWs Think Of Those Like Us That Have Left?

  by minimus in

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  do you think they feel bad for us!

  envy us or basically don’t give a 💩?

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  RolRod

  I left over 25 years ago, I doubt they even remember who I was. Although I do know that most of the elders and Servants I served with have all been disfellowshipped for various Watchtower infractions.
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  Love letter to Simon

  by Nathan Natas in

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  my dear, dear simon,.

  it is with a heavy heart that i approach your throne today.. i fear i have become aware of a minor boo-boo on the site.

  remember, we must be perfect just as our lard is perfuct.. the problemo esta dis: .

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  RolRod

  You spin, wobble and fall out of your chair because of the Watchtower, don't blame Simon
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  Guns...Are You For or Against Legally Owning Them?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  there is a surge going on of people buying guns, especially first time buyers.

  with talk of police defunding and rioting in the neighborhoods, some people want to protect themselves.. do you support owning and using a gun if needed?.

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  RolRod

  I've owned a small arsenal for years