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  Expected pain

  by former2free in

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  2. experiences

  last week was a big week for me in terms of coming totally clean to my wife and her being more than on board to leave the jw’s with me.

  we know what to expect but things happen from family and it still hurts just as bad.

  last night my wife got a long text message from her brother that has seemed to be in the fence and he told her that same guilt tripping rhetoric that the wt uses about life in the paradise etc.

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  Giordano, that is exactly what I’ve done. Particularly because I know of someone suspected of such locally and have said the exact thing, until they sort it out, I won’t be a part of what is in effect child sacrifice which Jehovah abhors. Done.
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  Bro. Geoff in September 2018 Broadcast vs Serena Williams

  by NeedToKnow in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the september broadcast opens up with a story of 80 yr old brother geoff who gave up been in a band all them years ago.

  fast forward to 2018 and we have a world renown tennis player and jw as far as we’re told.. so where some are encouraged to leave the world and it’s futile pursuits of fame and fortune, others are not.

  or even punished for their behaviour on court or for been photographed with their country’s flag where others have been executed for refusing to salute flags.

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  In fact, I am not manufacturing fake news. It has always been assumed in my end of the world (Australia) that she is a JW. I have doubted it personally and have enquirer and was always told that she is, obviously because she says so. I have never heard of her baptism status. You see, JWs in the USA know more because they are actually amongst the org and it’s origin. The rest of us get this god-like version that we have to look through to get to the truth.

  but you’re missing the point which is that where some are encouraged to not do well in life and sacrifice for the org, others are not. Replace Serena with anyone who is considered important because they have a uni degree and can help the org via their careers. They’re a bunch of hypocrites just like the scribes and Pharisees and those were the ones Christ disliked the most and the only ones he condemned.
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  Bro. Geoff in September 2018 Broadcast vs Serena Williams

  by NeedToKnow in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the september broadcast opens up with a story of 80 yr old brother geoff who gave up been in a band all them years ago.

  fast forward to 2018 and we have a world renown tennis player and jw as far as we’re told.. so where some are encouraged to leave the world and it’s futile pursuits of fame and fortune, others are not.

  or even punished for their behaviour on court or for been photographed with their country’s flag where others have been executed for refusing to salute flags.

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  The September broadcast opens up with a story of 80 yr old brother Geoff who gave up been in a band all them years ago. Fast forward to 2018 and we have a world renown tennis player and JW as far as we’re told.

  So where some are encouraged to leave the world and it’s futile pursuits of fame and fortune, others are not. Or even punished for their behaviour on court or for been photographed with their country’s flag where others have been executed for refusing to salute flags.

  I guess the contributions she makes make it okay. Catholics used to call it “indulgences”. And Christ called it hypocrisy.
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  Adding insult to injury when the WT kicks out a congregation from their hall

  by nowwhat? in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  not only does the organization confiscate the hall the congregation owns.

  but then the former congregants are told to continue to pay for utilities and they are still responsible for upkeep and maintenance.

  so they still have to cut the grass etc.

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  Maybe they’ll get rid of all the KHs and we’ll have “stay-at-home” witnesses. We can just watch broadcasts on our iPads lol. I’ll be so active then ....
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  The Wizard of Oz

  by I Faded Twice in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  does anyone else see the similarities between the wizard of oz and the gb?.

  it's kind of like when the curtain is removed and you find out it's all smoke and mirrors.

  plus dorothy wakes up at the end!.

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  Yep, always thought so. It kinda ruins the movies when I see that perspective while at the same time enlightening me into something not so unique or truthful anymore but pretty much same old.
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  For ACTIVE JW's: r&f JW's are 2nd Class Christians..........

  by The Fall Guy in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  ............according to your "faithful slave masters" -.

  w10 1/15 p. 5 par 12 & footnote - "jesus’ “other sheep” will not become sons of god until the end of the thousand years.

  however, (crap alert!

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  Amelia Ashton, Read 1 Thess 4 and think about these.

  The generation that will not pass Jesus spoke of is the one alive at Armageddon. They can stop the overlapping rubbish that a child wouldn’t even fall for on Xmas day if you wrapped it in shiny paper

  Jesus hasn’t started his reign yet until after Armageddon and that’s when the anointed, all 144,000 of them at the same time are either resurrected to heaven or those who are alive will be taken away in the clouds. Verses 15-17. Remember when he said the first would be last and last would be first? How can the 1st to die be in heaven already if the last to die hasn’t died yet?

  now consider the WT has taught that been anointed is an invitation at this stage as, rightly so, we are not to really know who really is anointed. So is it wrong to believe that Jehovah has sent out more than 144,000 invitations and after Armageddon will choose the final 144,000 once Christ is king. Google the governing body member who was a homosexual and pedophile. I think his invite was revoked. Imagine all those who died apparently anointed who may have skeletons and here we are thinking they’re in heaven already. doesn’t add up does it?

  what happens when a king invades another’s kingdom? A war breaks out. If Satan is currently the ruler of this world and Christ began his reign in 1914, where’s the war? Wouldn’t that war be Armageddon?

  I’ll leave you with those thoughts. Read 1 Thessalonians 4 and prayer for understanding. It’s a great gift to be awake.
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  The Governing Body / Jehovah`s Witnesses and the Sin Of Omission ,How guilty are they ? Can you give an example ?

  by smiddy3 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i would like as many people that can, to respond to this appeal as i am sure their are many examples out their that may help lurkers and fence sitters to make a decision on where they stand regarding the "truth".

  i look forward to your comments either negative or plus..

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  They signed up to the UN apparently under the guise to use their library which is public domain so it was totally unnecessary.

  The Henrietta M Riley Trust for which the WT is beneficiary and where that trust invest money which then benefits the WT

  This one to me is key because God IS love. He loved the world so much he gave his only begotten son so that all those exercising faith in him could be saved. Jesus said in John 13:35 “By this all will know that you are my disciples—if you have love among yourselves” What are JWs known for? Door knocking, disfellowshipping (so the opposite of love), not birthdays and letting our kids die because of no blood. Only the WT will propagate that we are known for the love amongst ourselves but google JWs and you will see what the world knows. And what do people mention when we say we are JWs? Exactly, nothing to do with how loving we are.
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  Expected pain

  by former2free in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  last week was a big week for me in terms of coming totally clean to my wife and her being more than on board to leave the jw’s with me.

  we know what to expect but things happen from family and it still hurts just as bad.

  last night my wife got a long text message from her brother that has seemed to be in the fence and he told her that same guilt tripping rhetoric that the wt uses about life in the paradise etc.

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  It’s sad, undeserved and unnecessary. Perhaps don’t disassociate, just drift off. You’ll still get treated like an outcast to some degree but they will keep in touch somewhat. This is my life. Having said that, it kind of feels the same as been DFd because you know the reason they keep distance is because you no longer do as they do.
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  Did You Ever Think You Would Be A Member On A Site Like This?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  when i first started looking at “apostate” sites , i was always watching over my shoulder, hoping no one would catch me viewing “spiritual pornography”.

  i found these types of sites mesmerizing but i never thought i’d join one.... look at me now.😈.

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  First time I ever posted on this site, the very first time I ever posted on anything that would be considered apostate, I had a massive adrenaline rush but I felt good about it too. It was liberating and scary all at the same time. My other half is a non believer though he accepts Jehovah as the one true God but will not follow the org so that was not an issue for me. He was asleep at the time and I couldn't wait till morning to tell him.
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  JW Dogma Analysis For Lurkers & Faders to Consider

  by The Fall Guy in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this post is necessarily lengthy, but my hope is that these 14 examples of wtbts dogma will be examined closely by those who either have something to gain by doing so, or those who can provide "new light" for any of the topics.. "however, you may say in your heart: “how will we know that jehovah has not spoken the word?” when the prophet speaks in the name of jehovah and the word is not....true, then jehovah did not speak that word.

  you should not fear him.

  " [the prophet] (deuteronomy 18:21-22) .

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  Vidiot: He mentioned in Crisis of Conscience that when doctrinal issues came up, his GB peers would almost always defer first to what "The Society" had stated in the past, with scriptures a distant second.

  It really bothered him.

  This has bothered me too and led me to read Crisis of Conscience myself. Very awakening. Highly recommend it. And I still get the feeling that Ray Franz deeply loved Jehovah and when he awoke to the truth, he could no longer stand by the org. He does not come across to me as bitter and vengeful and will even admit when he stood by a teaching that he later realised was not scriptural that hurt a lot of people or when he simply went along in spite of his conscience simply to not rock the boat.

  I was actually reading last night where he's going through all the info on 1914 .... what a mess that whole saga is and they continue to mess it up even worse with the whole generations. But all those old mags and books are not available to the R&F and I wouldn't be surprised if the GB took all the evidence to a dudes weekend camping trip somewhere in the wilderness of Warwick and had a massive bonfire. I sometimes wonder what my PIMI elder brothers (familial brothers, not spiritual) would say if they knew. But I think I know, they would shrug it off as old understanding and ignore that it's been repeated several times in the past 100 years. I can imagine smoke pouring out of their ears and their eyeballs bursting for having dared looked at it.