Posts by NeedToKnow

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J.W.`s and Paradise and the Reality of it.

by smiddy3 in

when god created adam and eve and put them in the garden of eden it was then up to them to cultivate and take care of it ,god had no further hand in it .the responsibility rested with adam/eve and their offspring.. the same would be true in the paradise to come ,god gets rid of all of us wicked people ,but then it is up to j.w.~s who are left on this earth to restore such a paradise.?

without god`s intervention.. think of it , this system is gone with all its infrastructure.. 8 million + j.w.`s scattered throughout the earth with.

no communication systems operating .

NeedToKnow

First of all I don't believe it's only going to be JWs in paradise. There were Egyptians who left Egypt with the Israelites. Also Rahab and her family were saved.

Why wouldn't people be able to get to the level of technology that we have now, probably an efficient and cleaner version of it in paradise? If we were made in God's image and he's a creator, why wouldn't we be? I've never believed that the paradise would be like that. Obviously in the beginning it would be disrupted but we'll have solar and wind power and all the rest eventually. If it was done before, it can be done again.

And Jehovah didn't exactly leave Adam and Eve to their own devices. If he had no contact with them, why would the Bible mention that after they ate from the forbidden tree, they hid from Jehovah?

As for Jehovah been a magician, he provided mana and water from a stone while the Israelites were in the desert. How about the oil that never ran out for one of the prophets?

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The Governing Body / Jehovah`s Witnesses and the Sin Of Omission ,How guilty are they ? Can you give an example ?

by smiddy3 in

i would like as many people that can, to respond to this appeal as i am sure their are many examples out their that may help lurkers and fence sitters to make a decision on where they stand regarding the "truth".

i look forward to your comments either negative or plus..

NeedToKnow

Someone’s done a lot of homework on the UN thing on another forum. Here’s the link.

https://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/united-nations-association.php

Now we should move on from this topic as there’s are numerous other omissions and hypocrisies going on than the UN saga. I mentioned some and love to hear learn of more. The whole 1914 is a good one to explore considering the person in charge of researching it back in the day, Raymond Franz, couldn’t find anything anywhere to prove it.

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The Governing Body / Jehovah`s Witnesses and the Sin Of Omission ,How guilty are they ? Can you give an example ?

by smiddy3 in

i would like as many people that can, to respond to this appeal as i am sure their are many examples out their that may help lurkers and fence sitters to make a decision on where they stand regarding the "truth".

i look forward to your comments either negative or plus..

NeedToKnow

This Doubter individual is truly mind boggling. Seems to me he must be be the head honcho at his cong. Or she’s married to one.Can’t we disfellowship people off this site? We should at least mark him/her and stop associating with such ones. Just stop answering their stupid, pointless comments. Everyone else with half a brain knows full well what hypocrisy is and that the WT practices it in a major way. There’s 12 + pages of this moron been a troll. He’s likely the kind do JW that gets into arguments with people at the door while witnessing rather than walking away.

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The Governing Body / Jehovah`s Witnesses and the Sin Of Omission ,How guilty are they ? Can you give an example ?

by smiddy3 in

i would like as many people that can, to respond to this appeal as i am sure their are many examples out their that may help lurkers and fence sitters to make a decision on where they stand regarding the "truth".

i look forward to your comments either negative or plus..

NeedToKnow

It’s actually worse than that

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2001/oct/08/religion.world

“To qualify, organisations must show that they share the ideals of the charter, operate on a non-profit basis, "demonstrate interest in UN issues and proven ability to reach large or specialised audiences" and have the commitment and means to conduct effective information programmes about UN activities.”

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Expected pain

by former2free in

last week was a big week for me in terms of coming totally clean to my wife and her being more than on board to leave the jw’s with me.

we know what to expect but things happen from family and it still hurts just as bad.

last night my wife got a long text message from her brother that has seemed to be in the fence and he told her that same guilt tripping rhetoric that the wt uses about life in the paradise etc.

NeedToKnow

Giordano, that is exactly what I’ve done. Particularly because I know of someone suspected of such locally and have said the exact thing, until they sort it out, I won’t be a part of what is in effect child sacrifice which Jehovah abhors. Done.

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Bro. Geoff in September 2018 Broadcast vs Serena Williams

by NeedToKnow in

the september broadcast opens up with a story of 80 yr old brother geoff who gave up been in a band all them years ago.

fast forward to 2018 and we have a world renown tennis player and jw as far as we’re told.. so where some are encouraged to leave the world and it’s futile pursuits of fame and fortune, others are not.

or even punished for their behaviour on court or for been photographed with their country’s flag where others have been executed for refusing to salute flags.

NeedToKnow

In fact, I am not manufacturing fake news. It has always been assumed in my end of the world (Australia) that she is a JW. I have doubted it personally and have enquirer and was always told that she is, obviously because she says so. I have never heard of her baptism status. You see, JWs in the USA know more because they are actually amongst the org and it’s origin. The rest of us get this god-like version that we have to look through to get to the truth.

but you’re missing the point which is that where some are encouraged to not do well in life and sacrifice for the org, others are not. Replace Serena with anyone who is considered important because they have a uni degree and can help the org via their careers. They’re a bunch of hypocrites just like the scribes and Pharisees and those were the ones Christ disliked the most and the only ones he condemned.

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Bro. Geoff in September 2018 Broadcast vs Serena Williams

by NeedToKnow in

the september broadcast opens up with a story of 80 yr old brother geoff who gave up been in a band all them years ago.

fast forward to 2018 and we have a world renown tennis player and jw as far as we’re told.. so where some are encouraged to leave the world and it’s futile pursuits of fame and fortune, others are not.

or even punished for their behaviour on court or for been photographed with their country’s flag where others have been executed for refusing to salute flags.

NeedToKnow

The September broadcast opens up with a story of 80 yr old brother Geoff who gave up been in a band all them years ago. Fast forward to 2018 and we have a world renown tennis player and JW as far as we’re told.

So where some are encouraged to leave the world and it’s futile pursuits of fame and fortune, others are not. Or even punished for their behaviour on court or for been photographed with their country’s flag where others have been executed for refusing to salute flags.

I guess the contributions she makes make it okay. Catholics used to call it “indulgences”. And Christ called it hypocrisy.

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Adding insult to injury when the WT kicks out a congregation from their hall

by nowwhat? in

not only does the organization confiscate the hall the congregation owns.

but then the former congregants are told to continue to pay for utilities and they are still responsible for upkeep and maintenance.

so they still have to cut the grass etc.

NeedToKnow

Maybe they’ll get rid of all the KHs and we’ll have “stay-at-home” witnesses. We can just watch broadcasts on our iPads lol. I’ll be so active then ....

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The Wizard of Oz

by I Faded Twice in

jw
friends

does anyone else see the similarities between the wizard of oz and the gb?.

it's kind of like when the curtain is removed and you find out it's all smoke and mirrors.

plus dorothy wakes up at the end!.

NeedToKnow

Yep, always thought so. It kinda ruins the movies when I see that perspective while at the same time enlightening me into something not so unique or truthful anymore but pretty much same old.

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For ACTIVE JW's: r&f JW's are 2nd Class Christians..........

by The Fall Guy in

............according to your "faithful slave masters" -.

w10 1/15 p. 5 par 12 & footnote - "jesus’ “other sheep” will not become sons of god until the end of the thousand years.

however, (crap alert!

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Amelia Ashton, Read 1 Thess 4 and think about these.

The generation that will not pass Jesus spoke of is the one alive at Armageddon. They can stop the overlapping rubbish that a child wouldn’t even fall for on Xmas day if you wrapped it in shiny paper

Jesus hasn’t started his reign yet until after Armageddon and that’s when the anointed, all 144,000 of them at the same time are either resurrected to heaven or those who are alive will be taken away in the clouds. Verses 15-17. Remember when he said the first would be last and last would be first? How can the 1st to die be in heaven already if the last to die hasn’t died yet?

now consider the WT has taught that been anointed is an invitation at this stage as, rightly so, we are not to really know who really is anointed. So is it wrong to believe that Jehovah has sent out more than 144,000 invitations and after Armageddon will choose the final 144,000 once Christ is king. Google the governing body member who was a homosexual and pedophile. I think his invite was revoked. Imagine all those who died apparently anointed who may have skeletons and here we are thinking they’re in heaven already. doesn’t add up does it?

what happens when a king invades another’s kingdom? A war breaks out. If Satan is currently the ruler of this world and Christ began his reign in 1914, where’s the war? Wouldn’t that war be Armageddon?

I’ll leave you with those thoughts. Read 1 Thessalonians 4 and prayer for understanding. It’s a great gift to be awake.